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and if you hate custom games youl hate xlink which is why I saved my money to get a new hdd/eeprom to be unbanend form live. Plus like 1/2 the people using xlink use mics which sux while 99% of people on xbl use mics. If xlink made a rating system like xbl I would switch back to xlink in a heart beat. Its just that xlink is like an online 24/7 lanparty kinda. XBL gives you reason to play, to get better ratings. The only thing xlink is laking is a rating system like I said above, if they can pull that off they will be like gods.

QUOTE(blame canada @ Jun 27 2006, 07:37 AM)

and if you hate custom games youl hate xlink which is why I saved my money to get a new hdd/eeprom to be unbanend form live. Plus like 1/2 the people using xlink use mics which sux while 99% of people on xbl use mics. If xlink made a rating system like xbl I would switch back to xlink in a heart beat. Its just that xlink is like an online 24/7 lanparty kinda. XBL gives you reason to play, to get better ratings. The only thing xlink is laking is a rating system like I said above, if they can pull that off they will be like gods.

I would have to disagree. Having the rating system brings nothing but negative effects. It is the only reason to cheat on Live. If people couldn't improve their ranking then they would have to face the reality that they are losers. Instead, even though they are still losers they cannot see it because they are Ub3r lvl 30 Pwnz0r!

Next, what does the ranking show? How good you are? No. If you play every day non-stop like people do with WoW and used to do with Halo2 you are a loser. Your high ranking simply shows that all you do is play this game and that you have no life and you're a loser. Since I'm not speaking of anyone in particular, it's not a putdown towards anyone.... it's simply reality. Video games are supposed to be a fun relief from reality. People have been trying to get high scores since video games were introduced but getting a high ranking in online halo2 is like being the kid at pizza hut trying to get the high score in Pac-Man. If you find yourself doing this, it may be time to consider a 4th trimester abortion.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 28 2006, 02:46 PM)

Next, what does the ranking show? How good you are? No. If you play every day non-stop like people do with WoW and used to do with Halo2 you are a loser. Your high ranking simply shows that all you do is play this game and that you have no life and you're a loser.

That is not true, the ranking system was made so you'd play people that were even to you in skill so you'd play the same ranks and you could further your skills. Which is why custom games were made when you dont want to play a ranked game then get a custom game going it isn't that hard. Finally just because you have a high rank doesn't mean you dont have a life sure theres people who only have a high rank cause they've played 2,000+ games but there are people out there who have a life and are still really good.

excuse all the errors in this

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jun 28 2006, 03:46 PM)

Next, what does the ranking show? How good you are? No. If you play every day non-stop like people do with WoW and used to do with Halo2 you are a loser. Your high ranking simply shows that all you do is play this game and that you have no life and you're a loser. Since I'm not speaking of anyone in particular, it's not a putdown towards anyone.... it's simply reality. Video games are supposed to be a fun relief from reality. People have been trying to get high scores since video games were introduced but getting a high ranking in online halo2 is like being the kid at pizza hut trying to get the high score in Pac-Man. If you find yourself doing this, it may be time to consider a 4th trimester abortion.

A lot of people play XBL with fellow classmates and friends. Me and a lot of friends at my High school used to play loads of Halo 2 for countless hours, the game is a complete time sink. It was a place to hang out and just talk while playing a fun game. Sounds like your just a little bit sour from getting t-bagged too many times

QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Jul 27 2006, 09:45 PM)

That is not true, the ranking system was made so you'd play people that were even to you in skill so you'd play the same ranks and you could further your skills. Which is why custom games were made when you dont want to play a ranked game then get a custom game going it isn't that hard. Finally just because you have a high rank doesn't mean you dont have a life sure theres people who only have a high rank cause they've played 2,000+ games but there are people out there who have a life and are still really good.

excuse all the errors in this

It was designed for that purpose, yes. It turned out to do anything BUT what it was designed for. Everyone cheated to get their ranking up. Everyone says if you don't like matchmaking play customs. Yeah, I might as well be playing xlink or xbconnect because I have to invite people. The whole point of live for me is so I can just get in a game quickly. Finally, yes because people have a high rank DOES mean you have no life and play the game all the time. Nobody is good enough to win every game they play and just keep leveling up. I'm sorry but you're simply wrong.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 10 2006, 04:42 PM)

A lot of people play XBL with fellow classmates and friends. Me and a lot of friends at my High school used to play loads of Halo 2 for countless hours, the game is a complete time sink. It was a place to hang out and just talk while playing a fun game. Sounds like your just a little bit sour from getting t-bagged too many times

So you're telling me that just because I don't like the ranking system in Halo2 and feel that it ruined the online play that I MUST not be any good at it and that's why I'm saying that? Great reasoning. You are clearly the smartest mentally handicapped kid around.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 11 2006, 09:23 AM)

You are clearly the smartest mentally handicapped kid around.

Ah yes, lets make fun of handicapped people, how fun. Jackass

Keep that stuff on a skinhead forum please.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 11 2006, 03:39 PM)

Ah yes, lets make fun of handicapped people, how fun. Jackass

Keep that stuff on a skinhead forum please.

lol, you proved my point right there with that remark. Nobody made fun of handicapped people. I made fun of you. You should really have your mom with you while you're online that way things like this don't happen in the future.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 11 2006, 11:37 PM)

lol, you proved my point right there with that remark. Nobody made fun of handicapped people. I made fun of you. You should really have your mom with you while you're online that way things like this don't happen in the future.

Clearly you are showing how smart you are, so with your logic if I had called you a faggot. That wouldn't in any way be offensive to a gay person? Same with using the word handicapped in a negative way. So please, keep the comments to yourself and don't try to act all high and mighty, you aren't impressing anyone with your ignorance.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 12 2006, 11:21 AM)

Clearly you are showing how smart you are, so with your logic if I had called you a faggot. That wouldn't in any way be offensive to a gay person? Same with using the word handicapped in a negative way. So please, keep the comments to yourself and don't try to act all high and mighty, you aren't impressing anyone with your ignorance.

Ha... nobody comes in an online forum to impress people. You simply tried to put me down for my point of view and now you've decided to be on the losing side of an argument.

If you had called me a faggot I would have had to do something that might lead you to believe that I were a homosexual. Either that or you're just an idiot. Since I haven't said or done anything that might lead you to believe such a thing your analogy doesn't apply. You said some very ignorant and childish things. To compare you to a mentally handicapped person seems more and more appropriate for you every time you post.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 11 2006, 09:23 AM)

You are clearly the smartest mentally handicapped kid around.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 11 2006, 11:37 PM)

You should really have your mom with you while you're online

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 13 2006, 08:20 PM)

had to do something that might lead you to believe that I were a homosexual.

you're just an idiot.

Now, who again is acting childish and ignorant? When did I ever try to put you down? I may have poked fun at you, but your comment about people who play a lot of Halo 2 are losers is simply un-true, how can you assume out of all players what their life is like? Or is that it? You enjoy making others lives seem miserable too inflate your own?

. Please stop, with every post you make your digging yourself into a deeper hole.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 13 2006, 08:20 PM)

and now you've decided to be on the losing side of an argument.

I think I'll let the people reading all of this decide that.

get a room you two

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 13 2006, 08:54 PM)

Now, who again is acting childish and ignorant? When did I ever try to put you down? I may have poked fun at you, but your comment about people who play a lot of Halo 2 are losers is simply un-true, how can you assume out of all players what their life is like? Or is that it? You enjoy making others lives seem miserable too inflate your own?

. Please stop, with every post you make your digging yourself into a deeper hole.

I think I'll let the people reading all of this decide that.

You are acting "childish and ignorant". You took each quote out of context with some not even being directed towards you but the way you quoted them made it seem that way.

You tried to put me down in each post. That's why you're still posting here.

My comment about people who play a lot of Halo2 is correct. How can I assume what someone's life is like? That's the thing genious.... you don't HAVE to assume. You see it on Bungie.net. You can see that they don't do anything but play Halo2.

Is it that I enjoy making others lives miserable to inflate my own? #1 I'm not making anyone's life miserable. None of the people mentioned are reading this because they are superjumping in Halo2 right now. #2 How does that even work anyways? How do you make someone miserable by observing facts and pointing them out? Even further, how would that make YOU feel better? It doesn't make any sense. Neither do any of your posts. The fact still remains, you didn't like my point of view so you came in here and started putting me down. Now that I have made you look like a fool you keep posting trying to put me down. I feel bad for you and have considered not posting here anymore. If you weren't so aggressive and trying so hard to put me down I might, but since you're trying so hard but getting nowhere it's too fun to pass up.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 14 2006, 08:13 AM)

You are acting "childish and ignorant". You took each quote out of context with some not even being directed towards you but the way you quoted them made it seem that way.

You tried to put me down in each post. That's why you're still posting here.

My comment about people who play a lot of Halo2 is correct. How can I assume what someone's life is like? That's the thing genious.... you don't HAVE to assume. You see it on Bungie.net. You can see that they don't do anything but play Halo2.

Is it that I enjoy making others lives miserable to inflate my own? #1 I'm not making anyone's life miserable. None of the people mentioned are reading this because they are superjumping in Halo2 right now. #2 How does that even work anyways? How do you make someone miserable by observing facts and pointing them out? Even further, how would that make YOU feel better? It doesn't make any sense. Neither do any of your posts. The fact still remains, you didn't like my point of view so you came in here and started putting me down. Now that I have made you look like a fool you keep posting trying to put me down. I feel bad for you and have considered not posting here anymore. If you weren't so aggressive and trying so hard to put me down I might, but since you're trying so hard but getting nowhere it's too fun to pass up.

In response to #1, I never said you were making anyones life miserable

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You enjoy making others lives seem miserable too inflate your own?

Read that again, I clearly say "seem" miserable, unless you have little understanding of the English language then I don't know how you could possibly interpret that. You are not making anyones life miserable, but you are making their lives seem miserable, do you understand? And yes, that is what your doing when you insult many people by saying they have no lives. I see no purpose to this except to inflate your own life, by making other's seem terrible.

Again your ignorance is showing when you group people together by saying

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You can see that they don't do anything but play Halo2.

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That's the thing genious.... you don't HAVE to assume.

This is the mentality of a racist. You are basically categorizing tens of thousands of people into the "no life" group just because they play a lot of Halo 2.

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The fact still remains, you didn't like my point of view

So your opinion is the one everyone must follow? We cannot offer objections or criticism? I thought a forum was a public meeting or assembly for open discussion, not a BCfosheezy posts and we take his every word and agree with it.

Face the facts, you don't like people who dis-agree with you, especially someone with less posts then you. I'm not being the aggressive one here, you are.

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but since you're trying so hard but getting nowhere it's too fun to pass up.

Again, I think the people outside of the arguement can choose who is "getting nowhere."
But as I can see you don't really like others thinking for themselves or having their own opinions.
How can I be the aggressive one when you specifically state that you are getting "fun" out of attacking me?

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 14 2006, 01:35 PM)

In response to #1, I never said you were making anyones life miserable Read that again, I clearly say "seem" miserable, unless you have little understanding of the English language then I don't know how you could possibly interpret that. You are not making anyones life miserable, but you are making their lives seem miserable, do you understand? And yes, that is what your doing when you insult many people by saying they have no lives. I see no purpose to this except to inflate your own life, by making other's seem terrible.

Again your ignorance is showing when you group people together by saying This is the mentality of a racist. You are basically categorizing tens of thousands of people into the "no life" group just because they play a lot of Halo 2.

So your opinion is the one everyone must follow? We cannot offer objections or criticism? I thought a forum was a public meeting or assembly for open discussion, not a BCfosheezy posts and we take his every word and agree with it.

Face the facts, you don't like people who dis-agree with you, especially someone with less posts then you. I'm not being the aggressive one here, you are. Again, I think the people outside of the arguement can choose who is "getting nowhere."
But as I can see you don't really like others thinking for themselves or having their own opinions.
How can I be the aggressive one when you specifically state that you are getting "fun" out of attacking me?

Well I did read that but thought the word "seem"didn't belong because it made no sense. I never said anywhere that anyone had a miserable life. I merely said they have no life because they play Halo2 all the time. Those two things are rational, can be proven by going to bungie.net and you have no legs to stand on there. If you think that playing a video game in all of your free time makes you miserable then that's your opinion.

First you say:

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You are basically categorizing tens of thousands of people into the "no life" group just because they play a lot of Halo 2.

Then you go on to say:

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Again your ignorance is showing when you group people together by saying This is the mentality of a racist.

What? Make a complete thought. I think you just generalized people into racists because they think a certain way. These two statements contradict one another. This one is a hypocritical statement and does not apply because nowhere have we been discussing being racist. Your attempts to attack me are not only invalid, they are downright laughable.

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So your opinion is the one everyone must follow? We cannot offer objections or criticism? I thought a forum was a public meeting or assembly for open discussion, not a BCfosheezy posts and we take his every word and agree with it.

Let me remind you of your first post in this thread:

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Sounds like your just a little bit sour from getting t-bagged too many times

It was YOU who first attacked me for MY opinion. You're just not quite quick enough to turn your faults around on me.

Now I got a particular kick out of this one....... I don't have to say anything to it to make you look silly to everyone else reading this post as you keep referring to.... but I will just so YOU know. (Plus anyone reading this thread will not pick a side. They will think we're both idiots.... and we probably are for arguing over such a silly thing.)

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Face the facts, you don't like people who dis-agree with you, especially someone with less posts then you. I'm not being the aggressive one here, you are. Again, I think the people outside of the arguement can choose who is "getting nowhere."
But as I can see you don't really like others thinking for themselves or having their own opinions.
How can I be the aggressive one when you specifically state that you are getting "fun" out of attacking me?

I don't mind people disagreeing with me any more than anyone else. Not any more than YOU do. That's why you're still arguing. That's why you posted here in the first place. Next you mention post count. I don't care how many posts you have and never mentioned it. You're the only one that even noticed that. It shows a lack of self-esteem and that you care about internet notoriety. If I could give you some posts I would..... they don't matter to me. I'm the agressor? Then why am I simply defending myself in my posts but YOU'RE the one coming up with new things like post counts and racism and stuff like that, that NOBODY ELSE brought up? Yeah, since I've proven in every case that you have no point and no logical skills.... yeah I'm pretty confident about my side if anyone outside of the argument gave a crap and read this. The next line is funny too. Where did I EVER state that I was getting fun out of attacking you? I said that I was having fun defending myself because you have been trying to hard to put me down but cannot. Again you lose.

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anyone reading this thread will not pick a side. They will think we're both idiots...

Peace

Reading this topic makes babies cry. I am so tired of hearing how many cheaters there are at level 30's and so on. Guess what guys? There aren't that many. That's a bullshit excuse. I'm a 34, and in my past 25 games of slayer, guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway. If I was like a 25, I'd almost guarantee that I could go in alone all the way up to 31 or 32 with only getting cheated one or two times, tops.

Modding/Standbying has given people a full-fire excuse to why they lost their levels, and I'm tired of hearing it. You don't get cheated that often, and even if you do, there are simple ways to make sure that you don't.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 17 2006, 03:12 AM)

Reading this topic makes babies cry. I am so tired of hearing how many cheaters there are at level 30's and so on. Guess what guys? There aren't that many. That's a bullshit excuse. I'm a 34, and in my past 25 games of slayer, guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway. If I was like a 25, I'd almost guarantee that I could go in alone all the way up to 31 or 32 with only getting cheated one or two times, tops.

Modding/Standbying has given people a full-fire excuse to why they lost their levels, and I'm tired of hearing it. You don't get cheated that often, and even if you do, there are simple ways to make sure that you don't.

I'd have to say one out of every four BTB Skirmish I'm getting "modded". Either it's stand-by or out right modding. Most people don't get host box. If you don't realize that.... count how many people you're playing against. Then times that by how many games you've played and had host. with 728/256 I can't get host box. so wtf am I supposed to do??? Pretend Im not getting bridged out of a game?

Personally, I have issues with xlink AND xbox live. Xbox live has WAY more modders then xlink. But xbl has WAY more game types readily available to play any time. The only game people play on xlink is freaking SWAT. Which takes NO skill. Or tower of power, which is gayer then the newb combo. Personaly I've gotten good enough at killing I need to do something while I kill people. I can sit in the hill, win with the most time and still have the most kills and people will complain about the game type?! Kill on the way to the hill. and people are going to come to you to get killed. How can you be against that??
Grenade whoring in SWAT or spawn killing in ToP isn't my idea of fun. I'd rather have my tripple un-freakin-beleiveable while I'm holding down some territories or something then sitting in one spot spawn killing people with no sheilds.
It's also extreamly hard for me to find a decent host on xlink to get a btb skirmish going. it usually starts the pop-lag once it hits about 8 people. At the same time you can sit on the configuring game screen on live for hours at a time some nights waiting for that one extra person.

Both of them have their ups and downs. Me, I use both. Mainly because I have freinds that don't have xbox live and can only play on xlink. If the xlink users would start playing some ctf or assault I think I'd play on xlink more.

That's why i gave up halo2, and play CoD2 on the 360. And it actually reqires skills like halo 1 did.

Actually host box doesn't guarantee that you don't get cheated...just that someone won't bridge host. But that doesn't mean they won't standby for host or start standbying if they happen to get host in the game. I do get standbyed/bridged a good bit now that everyone has decided to cheat in Team Snipers (favorite playlist

). I was a 40 in snipers a few weeks ago, and when you get up toward the higher levels people will back out of a game even when one 1 person has host box (hence can't bridge) b/c everyone wants it. But look, modding is not nearly as common as people try to make it seem, so it's a dumb excuse. If you get modded, just quit and play something else so that you don't get paired with the modder again. I see a modder like once a month. The only problem I have with XLink is that the competition that is on Live isn't always there. I usually play in this one game where there are some good people, but that's about the only game I've found. And tower of power has got to be the gayest gametype ever invented.

QUOTE(elpimpo12 @ Aug 17 2006, 06:46 AM)

If you get modded, just quit and play something else

heh no way.. whenever I get modded I make those bastards wait the full game length, I usually go hide somewhere and spam the cheater (and his tag alongs) friend requests over and over and over again.. it usually annoys the piss out of them.

And thats how I get small satisfactication when i get modded.

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QUOTE(BirdofPrey @ Aug 17 2006, 10:45 AM)

heh no way.. whenever I get modded I make those bastards wait the full game length, I usually go hide somewhere and spam the cheater (and his tag alongs) friend requests over and over and over again.. it usually annoys the piss out of them.

And thats how I get small satisfactication when i get modded.

Heh yeah I meant quit the playlist, but I do the same. Actually got a kill frenzy once on Terminal b/c I got away from the spawn and started unloading sniper rounds on the modder and his teammates (had it so one shot blew you across the map), buuuuuuut didn't last long once the ole modder spawned again.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 17 2006, 11:29 AM)

Don't be angry at Halo 2 just because you couldn't adjust from the pistol to the BR.

The BR is all i use in halo2. I just wish there was a gametype that was always TS with BR.

Halo 2 has too much Auto Aim and a much larger hit box then halo 1........halo 2 was a breath of fresh air for those who suck at FPS.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 17 2006, 02:12 AM)

Reading this topic makes babies cry. I am so tired of hearing how many cheaters there are at level 30's and so on. Guess what guys? There aren't that many. That's a bullshit excuse. I'm a 34, and in my past 25 games of slayer, guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway. If I was like a 25, I'd almost guarantee that I could go in alone all the way up to 31 or 32 with only getting cheated one or two times, tops.

Modding/Standbying has given people a full-fire excuse to why they lost their levels, and I'm tired of hearing it. You don't get cheated that often, and even if you do, there are simple ways to make sure that you don't.

HAHA... that is one of the funniest posts I've ever heard. You're recommending everyone get host. That is Hilariously stupid. Who are you going to play if everyone takes your advice? That's like saying everyone quit work and get on welfare. The fact remains that people cheat. They do it for 1 reason. They do it to boost their ranking. If the ranking is really so like-skilled players are more likely to be matched up then fine, hide the ranking so the players don't know what each other's ranks are. Why do you think there are less cheaters on Xlink? A network that will NOT ban you for mods. Why do you think that is? It's obviously because of the rankings. The ONLY reason you guys defend the rankings is because you are into them too. It's just sad. Why do you care what you're ranking in an online game? Also, online play would be improved due to fewer campers and people who play cheaply so they don't lose and drop ranking. If it really doesn't matter if you lose, you're just playing for fun there's no reason to be cheap.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 18 2006, 08:56 AM)

HAHA... that is one of the funniest posts I've ever heard. You're recommending everyone get host. That is Hilariously stupid. Who are you going to play if everyone takes your advice? That's like saying everyone quit work and get on welfare. The fact remains that people cheat. They do it for 1 reason. They do it to boost their ranking. If the ranking is really so like-skilled players are more likely to be matched up then fine, hide the ranking so the players don't know what each other's ranks are. Why do you think there are less cheaters on Xlink? A network that will NOT ban you for mods. Why do you think that is? It's obviously because of the rankings. The ONLY reason you guys defend the rankings is because you are into them too. It's just sad. Why do you care what you're ranking in an online game? Also, online play would be improved due to fewer campers and people who play cheaply so they don't lose and drop ranking. If it really doesn't matter if you lose, you're just playing for fun there's no reason to be cheap.

Reading that post made me want to commit suicide. I'm recommending it to the players who are bitching at the system. zomg ppl cheet for ranks, no wai. You'd de surprised to how easy it is to get a game, even at 35's and such. So until you get a taste of what it's like, I'd suggest for you to shut the fuck up, until you know what you're talking about.

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Halo 2 has too much Auto Aim and a much larger hit box then halo 1........halo 2 was a breath of fresh air for those who suck at FPS.

I'll tell you what. Why don't you join an MLG custom game of mine. We'll see how easy it is then.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 18 2006, 12:00 PM)

I'll tell you what. Why don't you join an MLG custom game of mine. We'll see how easy it is then.

All i play is MLG. I did not say halo2 was easy, i said it takes less skills then halo1. Mainly do to the inceased auto-aim and larger hit box. These are facts, so deal with it.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 18 2006, 01:00 PM)

Reading that post made me want to commit suicide. I'm recommending it to the players who are bitching at the system. zomg ppl cheet for ranks, no wai. You'd de surprised to how easy it is to get a game, even at 35's and such. So until you get a taste of what it's like, I'd suggest for you to shut the fuck up, until you know what you're talking about.

Lol maybe you should speak with a professional about that. Don't act all high and mighty like because I don't like the game, that I didn't have a high rank when I used to play. I DO know what I'm talking about and saying "shut the fuck up" is hardly a way to defend your position. Once you get past 13 or 14 it doesn't work anymore. You didn't rebut ANY of my points. You didn't have ANY valid points. Until you can do that, you're wasting your time. You're saying you were recommending getting host only to those bitching about the system but:

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I'm a 34, and in my past 25 games of slayer, guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway.

That post right there proves you're lying about what you meant. It's also funny that you recommend to people in a game that does not explicitly tell you who is hosting that they should get host. Yes there are ways to tell but the game was not designed for that and you have to quit out of games until you get host. That's sad and not to mention that most people do not have fast enough upstream to host 7 other xboxs and make everyone else's game laggy. It's a bad suggestion and since it has to be suggested it actually proves my point. It proves that Live is a bad environment due to cheating. If you go on XLink and see the number of cheaters there vs. Live you'll also see that I'm correct in the ranking issue. You're wrong in every way. You've lied and suggested some silly things. You should just stop now.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 19 2006, 10:25 AM)

Lol maybe you should speak with a professional about that. Don't act all high and mighty like because I don't like the game, that I didn't have a high rank when I used to play. I DO know what I'm talking about and saying "shut the fuck up" is hardly a way to defend your position. Once you get past 13 or 14 it doesn't work anymore. You didn't rebut ANY of my points. You didn't have ANY valid points. Until you can do that, you're wasting your time. You're saying you were recommending getting host only to those bitching about the system but:

That post right there proves you're lying about what you meant. It's also funny that you recommend to people in a game that does not explicitly tell you who is hosting that they should get host. Yes there are ways to tell but the game was not designed for that and you have to quit out of games until you get host. That's sad and not to mention that most people do not have fast enough upstream to host 7 other xboxs and make everyone else's game laggy. It's a bad suggestion and since it has to be suggested it actually proves my point. It proves that Live is a bad environment due to cheating. If you go on XLink and see the number of cheaters there vs. Live you'll also see that I'm correct in the ranking issue. You're wrong in every way. You've lied and suggested some silly things. You should just stop now.

Agreed.

I got up to lvl 29 in TS just by joining as a single, and after so many times of getting cheated on and not being able to find games with starting BR , i just said F-it. The best where i live has to offer is a pathetic 256k up and down, so hosting is not even an option.

I just wish there was a TS MLG section with no radar. That might make me start playing again.

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That post right there proves you're lying about what you meant. It's also funny that you recommend to people in a game that does not explicitly tell you who is hosting that they should get host. Yes there are ways to tell but the game was not designed for that and you have to quit out of games until you get host. That's sad and not to mention that most people do not have fast enough upstream to host 7 other xboxs and make everyone else's game laggy. It's a bad suggestion and since it has to be suggested it actually proves my point. It proves that Live is a bad environment due to cheating. If you go on XLink and see the number of cheaters there vs. Live you'll also see that I'm correct in the ranking issue. You're wrong in every way. You've lied and suggested some silly things. You should just stop now.

You're trying to tell me that most people can't host 7 other xboxes on their connection? All you need is a high speed connection. Even if you don't wait for host box, explain to me how that allows for a greater chance of a non-laggy connection? What are you going to quit out of every game that you don't get host box in, in order to have somebody else to get host? Does that not have the same chance of having a non-laggy connection. I don't want to hear about how "the game was not designed for that." The game wasn't designed for cheating either now was it? What's the worst of the two? Leting cheaters prevail or waiting for host box?

You have never addressed my point in that, other than arguements such as those. If you wait for host box, you have an extremely good chance of not getting cheated. If you listen to your xbox to check for an old map, that does even more so.

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It proves that Live is a bad environment due to cheating.

Nobody ever said that live isn't a bad enviorment for cheating. The point was, that with small precautions, you can minimize it.

And I don't care about the number from Xlink Kai to XBL. As said above, yeah there is a lot of cheating on live, but, there's easy ways to beat it.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 20 2006, 09:25 PM)

If you listen to your xbox to check for an old map, that does even more so.

This only works if you have an old xbox, not with new ones.

It is also quite tedious to wait for host boxes unless you have a full party, if you going in on your own or with another player it could take a while to get host boxes to reduce the chances of getting bridged/modded.

That being said, the whole point of playing the game is to enjoy it no? And cheating will never completely die. So probably the best thing to do is not get so caught up in the whole rank thing and perhaps you won't be annoyed so much when you do get cheated.

QUOTE(BirdofPrey @ Aug 21 2006, 05:17 AM)

It is also quite tedious to wait for host boxes unless you have a full party, if you going in on your own or with another player it could take a while to get host boxes to reduce the chances of getting bridged/modded.

That is true, although it's less important if you're going in as a single, because almost every cheater, cheats with a team. So, I do agree, that it is more of a team tactic.

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That being said, the whole point of playing the game is to enjoy it no? And cheating will never completely die. So probably the best thing to do is not get so caught up in the whole rank thing and perhaps you won't be annoyed so much when you do get cheated.

I agree, I actually stopped waiting for host box quite a while ago. If I get cheated, I get cheated, it doesn't really bother me anymore.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 19 2006, 11:25 AM)

Don't act all high and mighty

Didn't I say this too you?

Waiting for host box doesn't prevent you from getting modded, it just means that the modder doesn't have host mods. AKA:The map is default, no vehicles that aren't meant to be there are there, but the modder has auto-aim, super speed etc...etc....

Recently even when my 4 person party waits for host box, in the start of the game, none of us get host. It goes to the other team, this has happened probably 5/6 times we have boxed host in the past day or so.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 20 2006, 11:25 PM)

You're trying to tell me that most people can't host 7 other xboxes on their connection? All you need is a high speed connection. Even if you don't wait for host box, explain to me how that allows for a greater chance of a non-laggy connection? What are you going to quit out of every game that you don't get host box in, in order to have somebody else to get host? Does that not have the same chance of having a non-laggy connection. I don't want to hear about how "the game was not designed for that." The game wasn't designed for cheating either now was it? What's the worst of the two? Leting cheaters prevail or waiting for host box?

You have never addressed my point in that, other than arguements such as those. If you wait for host box, you have an extremely good chance of not getting cheated. If you listen to your xbox to check for an old map, that does even more so.

Nobody ever said that live isn't a bad enviorment for cheating. The point was, that with small precautions, you can minimize it.

And I don't care about the number from Xlink Kai to XBL. As said above, yeah there is a lot of cheating on live, but, there's easy ways to beat it.

Lol "high speed" is a generic term. You're horribly incorrect when you say "All you need is a high speed connection". There is a minimum requirement to the amount of upstream you must have to host 7 xboxs lag free. Also, your whole next point is mute because Halo2 attempts to give the player with the best connection host. If you have slow upstream as most "high speed" users do and you didn't quit out of games in order for live to set you up a new game and make you host, then you would almost never be host. How does it help games to be less laggy? If you have a small amount of upstream and are hosting a game that requires you to send data to 7 other machines thus overtaxing your connection, all of those people are going to lag. If you have a limited connection but are simply a client, you may have enough upstream to send your data to the host and not lag. If you don't, the only person you'll lag is yourself.

Next I will quote you from a previous post:

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Modding/Standbying has given people a full-fire excuse to why they lost their levels, and I'm tired of hearing it. You don't get cheated that often, and even if you do, there are simple ways to make sure that you don't.

recent post:

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The point was, that with small precautions, you can minimize it.

minimize or completely irradicate? make up your mind. At any rate it doesn't matter. Getting host is silly, impractical and proves that point that if you feel you have to do that so you get a fair game then it's a messed up system. Not to mention if you have host every game you have a distinct advantage over all the other players. You can keep posting these things all day long but it doesn't matter because it's either cheat or be cheated. Nothing you say can prove otherwise that the system is not very good. Nothing you say can disprove my point that the rating system encourages people to cheat. It does. It's obvious plain and simple. That was my original point and nobody has even tried to argue it.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 25 2006, 11:38 AM)

Didn't I say this too you?

Waiting for host box doesn't prevent you from getting modded, it just means that the modder doesn't have host mods. AKA:The map is default, no vehicles that aren't meant to be there are there, but the modder has auto-aim, super speed etc...etc....

Recently even when my 4 person party waits for host box, in the start of the game, none of us get host. It goes to the other team, this has happened probably 5/6 times we have boxed host in the past day or so.

Yes you did but it didn't make sense when you said it because I was defending myself and you were attacking me. lol

It doesn't matter what waiting for host does or doesn't allow the other players to do. It's that it gives the host a distinct advantage, it shouldn't have to be done, and the simple fact that people can manipulate the game in this manner and do proves that the system is horribly flawed.

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It doesn't matter what waiting for host does or doesn't allow the other players to do. It's that it gives the host a distinct advantage, it shouldn't have to be done, and the simple fact that people can manipulate the game in this manner and do proves that the system is horribly flawed.

I do agree that host itself is an utterly idiotic concept, and I pray it isn't implemented in Halo 3. My point is that waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host who would make the game lag, compared to random players joining matchmaking. Somebody in the MM pregame will get host box, whether they want it or not. There will always be somebody, or a team, waiting in the pregame, with hostbox, if they were waiting for it or not. And even if that wasn't so, bungie gives the host to the connection in which the other players can best connect to, not whether the player has a good connection or not (although it does help). Basically the point I'm trying to make is that a player may get host (randomly) and still lag up the game. For instance, I could be downloading a large file, or have my router jammed with alternate connections, but I still may get host if my connection is easy to connect to for other players. Now, having a generally good connection does help to get host, but there is a fairly significant chance that the game will still lag.

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minimize or completely irradicate? make up your mind. At any rate it doesn't matter. Getting host is silly, impractical and proves that point that if you feel you have to do that so you get a fair game then it's a messed up system. Not to mention if you have host every game you have a distinct advantage over all the other players. You can keep posting these things all day long but it doesn't matter because it's either cheat or be cheated. Nothing you say can prove otherwise that the system is not very good. Nothing you say can disprove my point that the rating system encourages people to cheat. It does. It's obvious plain and simple. That was my original point and nobody has even tried to argue it.

Minimize. Don't act like you can get rid of cheating on Xlink Kai either, because you can't.

Your first few points are opinions. I don't understand how you can consider patience cheating. You're being stubborn. No matter how many times you can call getting host box "silly" or "impractical," the fact of the matter is, that it almost always works, and is very effective against cheating.

Everybody knows that there cheating in the rating system, and that's something I'll admit to. Like I said Xlink isn't perfect either..

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 27 2006, 02:05 PM)

Yes you did but it didn't make sense when you said it because I was defending myself and you were attacking me. lol

Yes, I'm sure I was...

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Aug 29 2006, 07:08 PM)

I do agree that host itself is an utterly idiotic concept, and I pray it isn't implemented in Halo 3. My point is that waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host who would make the game lag, compared to random players joining matchmaking. Somebody in the MM pregame will get host box, whether they want it or not. There will always be somebody, or a team, waiting in the pregame, with hostbox, if they were waiting for it or not. And even if that wasn't so, bungie gives the host to the connection in which the other players can best connect to, not whether the player has a good connection or not (although it does help). Basically the point I'm trying to make is that a player may get host (randomly) and still lag up the game. For instance, I could be downloading a large file, or have my router jammed with alternate connections, but I still may get host if my connection is easy to connect to for other players. Now, having a generally good connection does help to get host, but there is a fairly significant chance that the game will still lag.

I never said the concept of host was idiotic. I said your suggestions were. Host is a necessary evil at the present time for online gaming until someone thinks up another way to do it. Your point is totally erroneous. How it is supposed to works is, live sends a big packet of data to all users. The connection that receives and sends the packet/s back first will be host. If a player happened to be downloading or any of the other scenarios you mentioned, they would be overlooked as host. There is no way to tell who has the best connection. I doubt live calls your isp and asks what package you have. At any rate this does not guarantee that the game will not lag, because there are so many factors involved in what will or will not lag. The whole point was that EVERYONE can't wait for host. If they did, nobody would ever match up and play. Use your head. The host HAS the advantage because he does not lag no matter what. The deck is stacked because the host sees everything a fraction of a second before anyone else does. In short, it's an unfair and downright silly suggestion. Give up and admit that if you have to do such a thing to "Minimize" cheating then the whole deal is messed up.

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Minimize. Don't act like you can get rid of cheating on Xlink Kai either, because you can't.

Again, I never said that. If you were comprehending you would know that I have been saying the rating system gives incentive for people to cheat..... to increase their rankings. On XLink people play for fun. It's not fun for very long to cheat. People don't do it as much on XLink plain and simple. This is fact.

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Your first few points are opinions. I don't understand how you can consider patience cheating. You're being stubborn. No matter how many times you can call getting host box "silly" or "impractical," the fact of the matter is, that it almost always works, and is very effective against cheating.

Everybody knows that there cheating in the rating system, and that's something I'll admit to. Like I said Xlink isn't perfect either..

If by "patience" you mean waiting for host then it IS cheating based on the aforementioned statements. It gives a distinct advantage and therefore is cheating. Just because someone has to be host in every game does not give an individual the right to TAKE it every game. It then gives a consistent advantage rather than an occasional advantage and has been TAKEN rather than given. This makes it cheating since it is defeating the system in order to gain an advantage. I don't understand what you don't get about that. Bottom line, the rankings give incentive to cheat and it has spawned a TON of problems. Get rid of those and you won't have to worry about cheating anymore. It would be so rare nobody would even care.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 30 2006, 03:00 PM)

Yes, I'm sure I was...

Dude give it up.... I'm sad for you.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 31 2006, 09:07 PM)

Dude give it up.... I'm sad for you.

I gave it up a few posts back if you remember...It's you who keeps firing the bullets!

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 31 2006, 10:12 PM)

I gave it up a few posts back if you remember...It's you who keeps firing the bullets!

Oh really? Lol you're lying again.

I hadn't said anything to you since that last post you made and then you come up with this out of the blue.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 25 2006, 11:38 AM)

Didn't I say this too you?

Then I restated facts in my next post and you sarcasticly made this comment:

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 30 2006, 03:00 PM)

Yes, I'm sure I was...

Seriously, you're not going to be able to turn it around and make me the agressor here. You said you wanted to stop, I stopped. You said you wouldn't post here anymore. You did. You've come in here out of the blue twice and tried to pick on my posts. You've been unsuccessful both times. YOU initiated the conversation both times. It's fact. It's all provided as evidence in this very same thread. Why didn't you just stop when you said you were going to stop?

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 31 2006, 09:07 PM)

I never said the concept of host was idiotic. I said your suggestions were. Host is a necessary evil at the present time for online gaming until someone thinks up another way to do it. Your point is totally erroneous. How it is supposed to works is, live sends a big packet of data to all users. The connection that receives and sends the packet/s back first will be host. If a player happened to be downloading or any of the other scenarios you mentioned, they would be overlooked as host. There is no way to tell who has the best connection. I doubt live calls your isp and asks what package you have. At any rate this does not guarantee that the game will not lag, because there are so many factors involved in what will or will not lag. The whole point was that EVERYONE can't wait for host. If they did, nobody would ever match up and play. Use your head. The host HAS the advantage because he does not lag no matter what. The deck is stacked because the host sees everything a fraction of a second before anyone else does. In short, it's an unfair and downright silly suggestion. Give up and admit that if you have to do such a thing to "Minimize" cheating then the whole deal is messed up.

The point about "what would happen if everybody did it, nobody would ever find a match" is ridiculously retarded. That's like saying, "What if everyone rode a bike? The gas companies would go out of business"
It isn't going to happen, and if you have to make the point to attempt to re-enforce your arguement, that's pathetic. You keep claiming that waiting for host box is "cheating." I'll tell you what, you find me an article or rule on bungie that clearly states that waiting for host box is cheating, and I'll drop my entire arguement right now. Hate to tell you bud, but you don't make the rules, bungie does.

No kidding the system is messed up. My god you're stupid, we've established that about 95 times now. Just because you're too lazy to wait for host box, doesn't mean that's everybody elses problem. It isn't cheating until you prove it, so don't even try to bring that point up again.

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Again, I never said that. If you were comprehending you would know that I have been saying the rating system gives incentive for people to cheat..... to increase their rankings. On XLink people play for fun. It's not fun for very long to cheat. People don't do it as much on XLink plain and simple. This is fact.

I know 4 modders who mod on Xlink. 3 of them do it simply to piss people off. So there goes your point.
I will guarantee you that in terms of a volume of games:modders in games, that XBL's ratio is better.

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If by "patience" you mean waiting for host then it IS cheating based on the aforementioned statements. It gives a distinct advantage and therefore is cheating. Just because someone has to be host in every game does not give an individual the right to TAKE it every game. It then gives a consistent advantage rather than an occasional advantage and has been TAKEN rather than given. This makes it cheating since it is defeating the system in order to gain an advantage. I don't understand what you don't get about that. Bottom line, the rankings give incentive to cheat and it has spawned a TON of problems. Get rid of those and you won't have to worry about cheating anymore. It would be so rare nobody would even care.

Dude give it up.... I'm sad for you.

Look above.

Now, considering Xlink has no matchmaking system at all, every single point you have about cheaters is now invalid. Xlink is like a poor, laggy XBL customs-only system. Except for the fact that you can't mod old maps on live, and if a modder tries to join your custom game, goodbye to him (boot).

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Aug 31 2006, 11:35 PM)

I hadn't said anything to you since that last post you made and then you come up with this out of the blue.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Aug 25 2006, 11:38 AM)

Didn't I say this too you?

I was actually trying to be joking, notice the

You could have just ignored it, but no, you have to have the last word. And if you actually remember I DID say that to you.

But I can see now that you like starting arguements with people, I guess some people get a kick out of it.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 1 2006, 02:51 PM)

The point about "what would happen if everybody did it, nobody would ever find a match" is ridiculously retarded. That's like saying, "What if everyone rode a bike? The gas companies would go out of business"
It isn't going to happen, and if you have to make the point to attempt to re-enforce your arguement, that's pathetic. You keep claiming that waiting for host box is "cheating." I'll tell you what, you find me an article or rule on bungie that clearly states that waiting for host box is cheating, and I'll drop my entire arguement right now. Hate to tell you bud, but you don't make the rules, bungie does.

Lol. The retarded part about is your statement and I quote:

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guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway.

No matter whether everyone will do it or not, you suggested it and that's what I was saying was silly.... your suggestion. Don't try to switch it up or take the focus off of the real point. Your suggestion was not smart. It doesn't make sense and you're just plain wrong about the whole deal. My point is and has always been that Halo2's rating system ruins the online play. No matter what kind of silly points you try to come up with will never prove otherwise. I don't have to find an article on Bungie to prove that waiting for host is cheating. All I have to do is remind you that they set live up so nobody knows who is host and is random so nobody gets host every time. This is obvious and the fact that you need it spelled out is just sad. I liked the "Hate to tell you" statement. It's hilarious because Bungie DID make the rules. They designed it so you have no control who gets host and you're not even supposed to know who has it. There's a way to beat the system and get host that bungie didn't intend to have happen. Lol by your own definition you're wrong. Nice try though.

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No kidding the system is messed up. My god you're stupid, we've established that about 95 times now. Just because you're too lazy to wait for host box, doesn't mean that's everybody elses problem. It isn't cheating until you prove it, so don't even try to bring that point up again.

Thanks for the putdown. Look just because you're wrong and you can't prove ME wrong you don't have to get frustrated and resort to childish putdowns. It has been proven before this debate ever came out.

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I know 4 modders who mod on Xlink. 3 of them do it simply to piss people off. So there goes your point.
I will guarantee you that in terms of a volume of games:modders in games, that XBL's ratio is better.

I'm not talking about all of Live. I'm talking about Halo2. Live's ratio in that area is worse. Every post from people here says exactly the opposite of your claim here. Until you can prove them wrong by providing evidence rather than a "I will guarantee" comment then just quit. You're wrong and you have nothing to go on but statements like that. Give it up son and go lag and rape Halo2 players and brag about your high ranking

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Look above.

Now, considering Xlink has no matchmaking system at all, every single point you have about cheaters is now invalid. Xlink is like a poor, laggy XBL customs-only system. Except for the fact that you can't mod old maps on live, and if a modder tries to join your custom game, goodbye to him (boot).

No point is invalid due to xlink not having a matchmaking system. Sorry you struck out with this post.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 1 2006, 05:13 PM)

I was actually trying to be joking, notice the

You could have just ignored it, but no, you have to have the last word. And if you actually remember I DID say that to you.

But I can see now that you like starting arguements with people, I guess some people get a kick out of it.

Some smily faces doesn't mean you can be sarcastic without anyone being able to defend theirself. Why would I have to ignore it when you directed it at me? I don't have to have the last word. For PROOF of this, refer to your post where you claimed that you were"Done". I didnt' reply at all to it because.... oh that's right. I dont' have to have the last word. I already agreed that you did say that to me. I never disputed that fact.

I have yet to start 1 argument with anyone. Quote me where I made the first comment to someone and started an argument in this thread. You're right though, some people must get a kick out of it. It must help their E-Ego. Maybe that's why you keep posting here.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 1 2006, 06:13 PM)

Lol. The retarded part about is your statement and I quote:
No matter whether everyone will do it or not, you suggested it and that's what I was saying was silly.... your suggestion. Don't try to switch it up or take the focus off of the real point. Your suggestion was not smart. It doesn't make sense and you're just plain wrong about the whole deal. My point is and has always been that Halo2's rating system ruins the online play. No matter what kind of silly points you try to come up with will never prove otherwise. I don't have to find an article on Bungie to prove that waiting for host is cheating. All I have to do is remind you that they set live up so nobody knows who is host and is random so nobody gets host every time. This is obvious and the fact that you need it spelled out is just sad. I liked the "Hate to tell you" statement. It's hilarious because Bungie DID make the rules. They designed it so you have no control who gets host and you're not even supposed to know who has it. There's a way to beat the system and get host that bungie didn't intend to have happen. Lol by your own definition you're wrong. Nice try though.

If a team of four enters matchmaking, and there isn't another match for them, they'll get host box. It isn't random, idiot. If a team then goes into matchmaking and joins their game, they WILL NOT get host.

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Thanks for the putdown. Look just because you're wrong and you can't prove ME wrong you don't have to get frustrated and resort to childish putdowns. It has been proven before this debate ever came out.
I'm not talking about all of Live. I'm talking about Halo2. Live's ratio in that area is worse. Every post from people here says exactly the opposite of your claim here. Until you can prove them wrong by providing evidence rather than a "I will guarantee" comment then just quit. You're wrong and you have nothing to go on but statements like that. Give it up son and go lag and rape Halo2 players and brag about your high ranking

That's one of the most contradicting posts I've ever read. Let's compare the lag from xlink to XBL. Hmm. I have a perfect high green connection on XBL, and lag out of every other game on xlink. Yeah, but XBL is the more laggy of the two. Seriously, if you think that, you deserve to have your balls cut off, in hope that you can't procreate in this world.

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No point is invalid due to xlink not having a matchmaking system. Sorry you struck out with this post.

Wow, nice comeback genius. The point was, that Xlink doesn't even have a matchmaking system. So take that away from XBL. Now lets compare. You can't cheat in Xbox live customs, or else you'll get booted. The lag on Xlink is unbearable whether you have a good connection or not, compared to XBL where its based on who gets host, and the person's individual connection.

If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize that XBL customs system is better than Xlink in it of itself. The matchmaking system is just an added bonus.

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Give it up son and go lag and rape Halo2 players and brag about your high ranking

I knew that's why you disliked xbox live. You got raped by legit 25's who bragged about their levels. Well, guess what, if you play with real halo players, they won't give a shit about ranks.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 2 2006, 01:39 PM)

If a team of four enters matchmaking, and there isn't another match for them, they'll get host box. It isn't random, idiot. If a team then goes into matchmaking and joins their game, they WILL NOT get host.

Wow. You are doing a superb job at depicting your character. Here is exactly how it's done.

"Behind the scenes Halo 2's matchmaking works in a similar manner. You specify match criteria by choosing Optimatch, by choosing Quickmatch to quickly recall your last used criteria, or by changing your match settings once in a Pregame Lobby. You start the game from the lobby. Halo 2 then takes over, requesting a list of games that match your criteria from the Xbox Live servers, or sometimes deciding to create a game that fits your search criteria and advertising it to others. If you're not creating then Halo 2 evaluates the list of available games, determines the game with the best connection that best matches your match criteria, and tries to join it. If the join fails another game is chosen automatically and you again try to join it. Wash , rinse, repeat, all completely automated until a match is finally made."
Link to the whole Bungie article

Basically it IS random based on the bolded statement.

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That's one of the most contradicting posts I've ever read. Let's compare the lag from xlink to XBL. Hmm. I have a perfect high green connection on XBL, and lag out of every other game on xlink. Yeah, but XBL is the more laggy of the two. Seriously, if you think that, you deserve to have your balls cut off, in hope that you can't procreate in this world.

Well you actually proved my point here. Since there is no matchmaking on XLink one person sets up the game and it host. Since they chose to be host and most likely don't have enough upstream everyone will lag. You say XBL is the less laggy of the two. That's because A) you always steal host or

live chooses a host with enough upstream and your experience is decent. Since Xbox Live uses the same netcode for Live as it does for system link, there is no difference between the two other than who is hosting.

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Wow, nice comeback genius. The point was, that Xlink doesn't even have a matchmaking system. So take that away from XBL. Now lets compare. You can't cheat in Xbox live customs, or else you'll get booted. The lag on Xlink is unbearable whether you have a good connection or not, compared to XBL where its based on who gets host, and the person's individual connection.

It wasn't a comeback. It was fact, lol the point you tried to make didn't make any sense and you didn't give any supporting evidence. I merely stated that you were wrong and didn't provide any supporting evidence because you didn't deserve it. You proved my point again, why cheat in customs when there is no rank to achieve? If you're going to cheat you have to be host in most cases so nobody can boot you anyways. It's just that there's no point since you want a rank. You're wrong again.

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If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize that XBL customs system is better than Xlink in it of itself. The matchmaking system is just an added bonus.

I don't remember ever saying anything to the contrary.

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I knew that's why you disliked xbox live. You got raped by legit 25's who bragged about their levels. Well, guess what, if you play with real halo players, they won't give a shit about ranks.

Where did I ever say I disliked xbox live? Where did I ever say I got raped? Your assumptions and lies and poor discussion skills are growing tiresome. You have no good points. You're simply wrong everywhere and anyone can see that. You keep throwing putdowns with no basis. I'm wondering how old you are. You're acting very immature. Why did you take a peaceful discussion to an agressive level?

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 2 2006, 07:07 PM)

Here is exactly how it's done.

"Behind the scenes Halo 2's matchmaking works in a similar manner. You specify match criteria by choosing Optimatch, by choosing Quickmatch to quickly recall your last used criteria, or by changing your match settings once in a Pregame Lobby. You start the game from the lobby. Halo 2 then takes over, requesting a list of games that match your criteria from the Xbox Live servers, or sometimes deciding to create a game that fits your search criteria and advertising it to others. If you're not creating then Halo 2 evaluates the list of available games, determines the game with the best connection that best matches your match criteria, and tries to join it. If the join fails another game is chosen automatically and you again try to join it. Wash , rinse, repeat, all completely automated until a match is finally made."
Link to the whole Bungie article

If you believe that then your a snail.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 3 2006, 10:27 PM)

If you believe that then your a snail.

LOL!! Dude you can't argue with facts. That came straight from the Bungie website. I'm not a snail you ostrich.....

SHUT UP, lol

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 3 2006, 11:37 PM)

LOL!! Dude you can't argue with facts. That came straight from the Bungie website. I'm not a snail you ostrich.....

I wonder if ostrich eat snails

blob_54- A forum is a place for open discussion and arguements, thats what it's made for.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 4 2006, 07:36 PM)

I wonder if ostrich eat snails

blob_54- A forum is a place for open discussion and arguements, thats what it's made for.

Lol before I editted it, it said: Since when has "snail" been a putdown? I opted for sarcasm because it helps illustrate the effect your comment had on me.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 2 2006, 02:39 PM)

That's one of the most contradicting posts I've ever read. Let's compare the lag from xlink to XBL. Hmm. I have a perfect high green connection on XBL, and lag out of every other game on xlink. Yeah, but XBL is the more laggy of the two. Seriously, if you think that, you deserve to have your balls cut off, in hope that you can't procreate in this world.

I Moose I, please stop. You have lost. Horribly. You do realize, now that BCfosheezy has spelled it out for you, that Xlink is set up a little different then XBL, right? If you have a perfect green connection in both Xlink and Live you will have a perfectly clean game. The fact that you can see your ping in xlink means xlink is better then live because you can see what you're getting into ahead of time.

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Wow, nice comeback genius. The point was, that Xlink doesn't even have a matchmaking system. So take that away from XBL. Now lets compare. You can't cheat in Xbox live customs, or else you'll get booted. The lag on Xlink is unbearable whether you have a good connection or not, compared to XBL where its based on who gets host, and the person's individual connection.

If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize that XBL customs system is better than Xlink in it of itself. The matchmaking system is just an added bonus.
I knew that's why you disliked xbox live. You got raped by legit 25's who bragged about their levels. Well, guess what, if you play with real halo players, they won't give a shit about ranks.

XBL custom games has NOTHING on Xlink. How can you even think this? Back to the point about seeing people pings. You can't do this on live. If you create a room, and host a game, you have full control of how laggy the game will be and who's playing it. the XBL custom system is xlink with out the UI so how is this better?? Because people in your friends list are the ONLY people who can see the game?? You are an idiot. In live if some one joins your custom, and has a modded profile yes you can boot them. But unless the game is locked (which they wouldn't be able to join in the first place) they can just join again. With Xlink you can ban them from your room. How does Live win on this option? It doesn't.

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My point is that waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host who would make the game lag, compared to random players joining matchmaking.

Wth? is this even a thought? "waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host" Ok there dubya.
Your whole point was waiting for host was the end-all of any problems. I've read this sentence over and over and over, and are you trying to say that waiting for host actually decreases the chance of some one else getting host?!?! Well you're a god damn genius!

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You're trying to tell me that most people can't host 7 other xboxes on their connection?

How can you not understand the fact that people don't have the bandwidth for host? I'd be lucky to be able to host 4 people clean.
Or the fact that waiting for host, standby'ing for host, doing anything to ensure you have host, is cheating?? It might not be as bad as a modded profile but it's still a type of cheating. It'd be like saying standby isn't cheating because it's only affecting bandwidth. Same deal with host. It makes sure YOU have bandwidth over everyone else.

I agree with Foe-hammer, Halo 2 has way too much auto-aim. It can actually work against you its so bad.

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With Xlink you can ban them from your room. How does Live win on this option? It doesn't.

That's called Invite only. If you don't have enough friends to create a successful game, you shouldn't waste your money on live.

If it's so difficult to host 7 other xboxes, than why do I rarely (1 out of 20 at best) get a laggy host? Your point is great, but isn't true nor practical.

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Your whole point was waiting for host was the end-all of any problems. I've read this sentence over and over and over, and are you trying to say that waiting for host actually decreases the chance of some one else getting host?!?! Well you're a god damn genius!

Please make an attempt to interpret my post. Why would waiting for host box rather than going in randomly INCREASE the chances of having a laggy host? Everyone who waits for host box automatically has a laggy connection?

Why would I want to go on Xlink kai and play with people that I don't even know? Don't tell me that all of your friends at school do, because they don't. Thanks, I'll stick with XBL, take the better connections (despite what you idiots say), and play with my friends.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 5 2006, 10:36 PM)

Tell you what. Once you show me a serious (extremely good) halo 2 player who only plays on Xlink, I'll believe that Xlink is better than XBL.

How are we going to tell who is good? The RATINGS? Please. You have no legs to stand on here. I'm sure if you play on XLink someone there will beat you.

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That's called Invite only. If you don't have enough friends to create a successful game, you shouldn't waste your money on live.

That is not only a ridiculous statement but it misses his point totally. Nobody is going to have enough friends online ALL the time to always get up a game. On Matchmaking or on XLink you can. There's a big difference there. Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking. Your whole point is just silly.

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If it's so difficult to host 7 other xboxes, than why do I rarely (1 out of 20 at best) get a laggy host? Your point is great, but isn't true nor practical.

You only think you get a laggy host that few times. That's because of the way Halo2's netcode is set up. The client functions independantly of the server. This is how you can snipe on Halo2. Your client says "hey I got a headshot" and sends it to the server even though the server didn't think so. You get the kill and never notice and lag. If it were the host, he would have had a fraction of a second more than you to react and shoot you. We are correct on this issue. It's not only common sense, it's been proven.

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Please make an attempt to interpret my post. Why would waiting for host box rather than going in randomly INCREASE the chances of having a laggy host? Everyone who waits for host box automatically has a laggy connection?

No it's the fact that they forced Live to make them host rather than for Live to determine they are the most suitable host and select them. In this way it makes them more than likely a worse choice than someone else and thus laggy. Even if they are not, if they steal host every time their ranking will be higher than someone who simply joins games. This is an unfair advantage and is a cheap way to make your e-penis larger.

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Why would I want to go on Xlink kai and play with people that I don't even know? Don't tell me that all of your friends at school do, because they don't. Thanks, I'll stick with XBL, take the better connections (despite what you idiots say), and play with my friends.

You play with people you don't know in matchmaking Mr. 35 rank. You're saying because someone is connected to live they have better connections? Who is the real idiot?

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 5 2006, 11:28 PM)

How are we going to tell who is good? The RATINGS? Please. You have no legs to stand on here. I'm sure if you play on XLink someone there will beat you.

And I bet he/she play on XBL. This has nothing to do with the ratings. IT has everything to do with the quality of custom games and quality of players.

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That is not only a ridiculous statement but it misses his point totally. Nobody is going to have enough friends online ALL the time to always get up a game. On Matchmaking or on XLink you can. There's a big difference there. Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking. Your whole point is just silly.

I had 7 friends on at 4 AM last night :-/. Live really isn't about matchmaking for me, at all. I do play it a fair amount, but I enjoy custom games better. I'm sure you can get a custom game going on Xlink all of the time, but my point is that I don't particularly enjoy playing with people I do not know.

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You only think you get a laggy host that few times. That's because of the way Halo2's netcode is set up. The client functions independantly of the server. This is how you can snipe on Halo2. Your client says "hey I got a headshot" and sends it to the server even though the server didn't think so. You get the kill and never notice and lag. If it were the host, he would have had a fraction of a second more than you to react and shoot you. We are correct on this issue. It's not only common sense, it's been proven.

There will always be that small fraction of "lag". It will happen anywhere in online play. My definition of lag, although most likely technically incorrect, is a "bubble" in the game (possibly continuous) that affects the game play a substantial amount. And yes, I also understand the fact that the host's framerate is a fraction of a second "faster", so to speak, than the rest of the player. Like I stated, I hate the concept of host in general. It allows that cheating and like you said a laggy host.

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No it's the fact that they forced Live to make them host rather than for Live to determine they are the most suitable host and select them. In this way it makes them more than likely a worse choice than someone else and thus laggy. Even if they are not, if they steal host every time their ranking will be higher than someone who simply joins games. This is an unfair advantage and is a cheap way to make your e-penis larger.

Like I said, if a two teams of four enter a game, the first one in will get host box (obviously), whether they want it or not. It's the same exact thing as if you would simply wait for host box. Waiting for it isn't going to give the person in your party who has the worst connection, host. It would still have four hosts to choose from, just like it would any other time. Now, if this is the same when going in alone, I'm really not sure.

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You play with people you don't know in matchmaking Mr. 35 rank. You're saying because someone is connected to live they have better connections? Who is the real idiot?

I'll admit, I used to be "addicted" to mm so to speak, but even when I played it then, I still played with my friends, normally. Now, if my friends are on I usually just play customs, unless it gets boring.

I don't brag about my ranks, and never will. I would like it if they made all of the ranks invisible, actually.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 5 2006, 11:28 PM)

Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking.

What are you talking about? Of course live is about friends, why do you think it has a friends list and the ability to play with a group of people in matchmaking over and over? So your saying that when I join a party of 3 people and we play a game of Team Swat, we actually don't care about the other people in the party and just about winning the matchmaking game?

No.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 6 2006, 03:47 PM)

What are you talking about? Of course live is about friends, why do you think it has a friends list and the ability to play with a group of people in matchmaking over and over? So your saying that when I join a party of 3 people and we play a game of Team Swat, we actually don't care about the other people in the party and just about winning the matchmaking game?

No.

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 6 2006, 08:08 PM)

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

I do agree that matchmaking is the main perk for h2 XBL. My only other point would be, as I stated, I do have a much larger quanity of my own personal friends on XBL, than I would if I played Xlink as often.

Of course, H2 isn't the only game playable on Xbox live, and those have other features, but this of course is the halo board.

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 6 2006, 02:24 PM)

And I bet he/she play on XBL. This has nothing to do with the ratings. IT has everything to do with the quality of custom games and quality of players.

Ok great. You fail to state why these people MUST play on XBL to be any good. You fail to state how the quality of a custom game on live is better than a custom game on XLink. You also fail to state how someone who pays $50.00 a year for a service is instantly better than someone who plays the same exact game for free.

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I had 7 friends on at 4 AM last night :-/. Live really isn't about matchmaking for me, at all. I do play it a fair amount, but I enjoy custom games better. I'm sure you can get a custom game going on Xlink all of the time, but my point is that I don't particularly enjoy playing with people I do not know.

You're not fooling anyone here. IF you had that many friends on at that time, it is guaranteed that you do not know each of these indivuals personally. It is a given that nobody knows enough people in real life that not only have an xbox BUT play Halo2 AND have Live. Sorry, that's unheard of. You may have met these people in matchmaking and made them your friends, but that's no different than meeting people on XLink and adding them to your friends list. Again, you have no legs to stand on.

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There will always be that small fraction of "lag". It will happen anywhere in online play. My definition of lag, although most likely technically incorrect, is a "bubble" in the game (possibly continuous) that affects the game play a substantial amount. And yes, I also understand the fact that the host's framerate is a fraction of a second "faster", so to speak, than the rest of the player. Like I stated, I hate the concept of host in general. It allows that cheating and like you said a laggy host.

By your definition, or anyone's definition, Halo2 is the determining factor. Once the game is established it runs the exact same no matter what service joined you. You're directly connected to each other with nothing else in between. The only determining factor is host.

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Like I said, if a two teams of four enter a game, the first one in will get host box (obviously), whether they want it or not. It's the same exact thing as if you would simply wait for host box. Waiting for it isn't going to give the person in your party who has the worst connection, host. It would still have four hosts to choose from, just like it would any other time. Now, if this is the same when going in alone, I'm really not sure.

Not necessarily so. Let me just go ahead and paste this quote from the Bungie article that I previously posted. Obviously nobody took the time to read it:

"Some of the worst abuses that games that don't use 3rd party controlled dedicated servers suffer from involve taking advantage of being the host. If you want a solid game, want to be sure that that host doesn't end it just as you're about to score and win, you need to host yourself. Of course not everyone's bandwidth supports this, and of course if everyone could host then no one would join anyone else's game, and so most players are left at the host's mercy. This is one of the biggest hurdles many games face, but Halo 2 dispenses with these problems. First, the matchmaking system determines the host automatically and invisibly (this is true for all Halo 2 games, not just matchmade). Second, the host of a matchmade game has no option to end the game, all he can do is leave the game. Finally, if the host leaves, powers off, loses his connection, whatever, a new host is automatically chosen and the game continues without him (we call this host migration)."

This pretty much sums up and defeats every argument you've tried to make throughout. Unfortunately, we all know the matchmaking system can be defeated and manipulated so someone can ensure that they are host.

Let me give you a little food for thought. Someone starts a game and there is not one available so Live sets them as host. Others join their game. Then the host quits. Is there now no host? Of course not. Live picks another person to be host.

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I'll admit, I used to be "addicted" to mm so to speak, but even when I played it then, I still played with my friends, normally. Now, if my friends are on I usually just play customs, unless it gets boring.

I don't brag about my ranks, and never will. I would like it if they made all of the ranks invisible, actually.

Then why have you argued with me all along? That's my original argument.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 6 2006, 08:08 PM)

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

What is matchmaking without friends? Nothing.

If you remember what you typed earlier, you said "Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking"

Friends are as much a part of XBL as matchmaking is. Why do most people not go into Team Slayer alone? Because they don't know who they might get as a teamate. Just as you don't know what your talking about.

So please Mr. Snail, go crawl back into your shell. I've proven you wrong numerous times, it's getting pathetic, so keep quiet and maybe post later when you start to think about what your posting.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 7 2006, 09:15 PM)

What is matchmaking without friends? Nothing.

If you remember what you typed earlier, you said "Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking"

Friends are as much a part of XBL as matchmaking is. Why do most people not go into Team Slayer alone? Because they don't know who they might get as a teamate. Just as you don't know what your talking about.

So please Mr. Snail, go crawl back into your shell. I've proven you wrong numerous times, it's getting pathetic, so keep quiet and maybe post later when you start to think about what your posting.

It's sad that you think you've proven me wrong yet you have not and have not even come close. As a matter of fact you actually were proven so horribly wrong that you quit the discussion one time but your pride was hurt so bad you just had to come back. I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap. This is the real-world nutjob. You can't just say you're right and everyone think you're automatically right. You have to back it up with facts that cannot be disputed. You cannot and have not.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

It's sad that you think you've proven me wrong yet you have not and have not even come close. As a matter of fact you actually were proven so horribly wrong that you quit the discussion one time but your pride was hurt so bad you just had to come back. I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap. This is the real-world nutjob. You can't just say you're right and everyone think you're automatically right. You have to back it up with facts that cannot be disputed. You cannot and have not.

I quit the arguement because it's impossible to convince someone as arrogant as you that you are wrong. I just proved you wrong in my earlier post, and what do you have to say about it?

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap.

That is what I call giving up. I proved you wrong and you have nothing to say, except trying to slander me and hurling insults at me:

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

This is the real-world nutjob.

I'm a nutjob huh? Why? Because I can prove you wrong?

Since when have you been "backing up your facts so that they cannot be disputed?" Do you have factual evidence that people on XBL are there for matchmaking and they aren't there for friends?

Obviously you can't, so why ask things from me that you don't even have yourself?

You had said XBL isn't about friends, well it may not be for you, but again your trying to force your views to cover a large group of people, this is plain moronic.

People play XBL for friends as well as for matchmaking. It's as simple as that, give me proof otherwise, and I will listen. But until then, keep the insults to yourself, they're not helping you.

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 8 2006, 03:32 PM)

I quit the arguement because it's impossible to convince someone as arrogant as you that you are wrong. I just proved you wrong in my earlier post, and what do you have to say about it?

That is what I call giving up. I proved you wrong and you have nothing to say, except trying to slander me and hurling insults at me:

Not wanting to restate all of my points that I've previously made that prove your claims wrong is hardly giving up. It's growing tired of dealing with someone's ignorance. I didn't hurl any insults. I have merely defended myself. Until you come up with a valid point that I have not already addressed and proven wrong then I will not reply to you. You cleary have lost your grip on reality and factual information.

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I'm a nutjob huh? Why? Because I can prove you wrong?

No, you're a nutjob because you THINK you proved me wrong but have not even come close at any time.

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Since when have you been "backing up your facts so that they cannot be disputed?" Do you have factual evidence that people on XBL are there for matchmaking and they aren't there for friends?

Since I PROVIDED A SOURCE for my claims and since I have used irrefutable logic. You have done NOTHING of the sort. I don't have to prove they aren't there for friends. All I had to prove was that Live's unique factor was matchmaking. I didn't have to prove anyone wanted Live due to friends because if they really cared solely about a friends list they could have used XBC or XLINK for free. You obviously do not understand reasoning.

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Obviously you can't, so why ask things from me that you don't even have yourself?

If you had any reading for comprehension skills you would know how wrong this statement is.

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You had said XBL isn't about friends, well it may not be for you, but again your trying to force your views to cover a large group of people, this is plain moronic.

I never said friends weren't a part of or useful to Xbox Live. I merely said it's not ABOUT that. That means that's not its main selling point or driving factor. Obviously you don't understand logic.

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People play XBL for friends as well as for matchmaking. It's as simple as that, give me proof otherwise, and I will listen. But until then, keep the insults to yourself, they're not helping you.

You've missed the whole point. I never said people don't play FOR friends. I said Live is not about that. It's simply not. Matchmaking is what makes Live unique to all the FREE services. That's why that's what it's about for Halo2. The friends list is standard for gaming services. That's a given. If a friends list were what live was about, that would be the main reason to play the game on Live. IE; XLink, XBC. Instead, Live has to be unique since they are charging for it. It has to be unique so people can just get in a game easily. It has to be unique so your friends and you can quickly find a match to play. This is where matchmaking comes in and it's what makes Live shine. THAT is what Live is about. Friends are simply standard. You have some sort of comprehension problem that is making you not able to get a grip on what I'm saying. I don't hold it against you. It's not your fault. Realize you have some sort or complex where since I've defeated your every point you feel the need to attack me. Instead why don't you just realize that you stood on the wrong side of the argument? You'll never prove the truth wrong. It's time for you to just give up. You have no valid points. You have no facts. You have no argument. What you do have is an ignorance of the truth. You have the ability to stand in the face of facts but ignore them. You have totally lame putdowns that you like to sling that actually make you look bad by using them. It's time for you to stop before you make yourself look any worse. I will continue to reply in this discussion if you wish, but it's not in your benefit and frankly I feel bad for you.

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 7 2006, 08:41 AM)

Ok great. You fail to state why these people MUST play on XBL to be any good. You fail to state how the quality of a custom game on live is better than a custom game on XLink. You also fail to state how someone who pays $50.00 a year for a service is instantly better than someone who plays the same exact game for free.

Take the pros for instance. They all play on XBL. I've never seen a pro spotted on Xlink Kai. I'm sure there are some good players, but just not the magnitude of XBL. Do I have any hard facts to back this up? No I don't.

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You're not fooling anyone here. IF you had that many friends on at that time, it is guaranteed that you do not know each of these indivuals personally. It is a given that nobody knows enough people in real life that not only have an xbox BUT play Halo2 AND have Live. Sorry, that's unheard of. You may have met these people in matchmaking and made them your friends, but that's no different than meeting people on XLink and adding them to your friends list. Again, you have no legs to stand on.

Two I knew in real life, and the others I met somewhere along the line. I do have around 25 of my friends on XBL (believe it or not, theres really nothing to be proven here)

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By your definition, or anyone's definition, Halo2 is the determining factor. Once the game is established it runs the exact same no matter what service joined you. You're directly connected to each other with nothing else in between. The only determining factor is host.
Not necessarily so. Let me just go ahead and paste this quote from the Bungie article that I previously posted. Obviously nobody took the time to read it:

"Some of the worst abuses that games that don't use 3rd party controlled dedicated servers suffer from involve taking advantage of being the host. If you want a solid game, want to be sure that that host doesn't end it just as you're about to score and win, you need to host yourself. Of course not everyone's bandwidth supports this, and of course if everyone could host then no one would join anyone else's game, and so most players are left at the host's mercy. This is one of the biggest hurdles many games face, but Halo 2 dispenses with these problems. First, the matchmaking system determines the host automatically and invisibly (this is true for all Halo 2 games, not just matchmade). Second, the host of a matchmade game has no option to end the game, all he can do is leave the game. Finally, if the host leaves, powers off, loses his connection, whatever, a new host is automatically chosen and the game continues without him (we call this host migration)."

This pretty much sums up and defeats every argument you've tried to make throughout. Unfortunately, we all know the matchmaking system can be defeated and manipulated so someone can ensure that they are host.

Let me give you a little food for thought. Someone starts a game and there is not one available so Live sets them as host. Others join their game. Then the host quits. Is there now no host? Of course not. Live picks another person to be host.

With my example with the two teams of four, if one team would happen to quit, if they were host, the other team would either get sent back to step one, and it would happen all over again, or they would remain in the game and the host would still go to that team. Bungie's example probably is true if everybody goes in alone, (again I'm not certain), but for the 4v4, the team host is almost always the one who remains/stays in the pregame lobby, despite what they try to tell you about. There is some room for error, obviously it doesn't always work. For what reason, I'm not sure (standbying for host would be one).

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Then why have you argued with me all along? That's my original argument.

My original statement was just trying to help those out who claim to get cheated often. I never said I enjoyed the ranks. I enjoy the competition, and would want to play with players of my ability, but I couldn't care less about a number by my name.

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