Post by: XanTium on July 08, 2007, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Gman22 on July 08, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Just like not being able to play video unless you had a Media Center PC...good thing that has changed with the latest dash update.
Gman22
Post by: AirGibson on July 08, 2007, 08:18:00 PM
Short of that, I'd say the RRoD.
Post by: THDVL on July 08, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: Ravenheart on July 08, 2007, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: mr2000jp on July 08, 2007, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Ravenheart @ Jul 9 2007, 05:37 AM) 
Interesting to see how people are almost evenly devided over wether the Red Ring of Death was worst or pretending they didnt have a problem for 1.5 years...I think M$ really stuffed up with the way they handled it, especially these last few months were it has become pretty public knowledge about 33% failure rate and even tv news shows reporting on it. Had they responded say a year ago it would have really helped. As it is, even with their new 3yr warrenty announcement I think they have really damaged their long term credibility.
i totally agree with you , lying or lets say not admitting to be blamed , for all that time and not doing something serious about it , did really ruin their credibility
Post by: XaN4 on July 08, 2007, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Murc on July 08, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
but back in the days when I had live, and played people on it, the headset quality...wow, I was shocked on how poor it was, it made my cellphone sound crystal clear. its audio only....they NEED to up the power of that thing. ans thats why I voted for it. so MS (hopefully) sees this poll, and relizes that people have noticed the incredibly sucky audio quality that thing spits out.
my second choice would have gone to the 1.5 years of RROD denial.
Post by: Evil Dav3 on July 08, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: proger on July 09, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Evil Dav3 @ Jul 9 2007, 12:56 AM)
I hate the media extension. Why do I have to run some crappy program to view my xvid's? It wouldn't be that hard to add the codec. Maybe next time we'll see something like XBMC.
Crappy program? You know, the guys that create the "crappy programs" put a lot of hard work in them.
Post by: eenu on July 09, 2007, 01:11:00 AM
Post by: sicknasty413 on July 09, 2007, 01:19:00 AM
1- If there was no ring of death..they wouldn't have been able to ignore it for 1.5 years
2- If there was no ring of death..no one would care about the length of the warranty
3- D pad doesn't particularly effect me...
4- Headset has always been fine to me... could be louder I suppose
5- Sync issues with the wireless headset kept me away from ever using mine
6- Limited file support doesn't effect me.. I have a computer for all that stuff
7- Webbrowser I don't really care about.. I have a computer for that
8- Don't need wifi..plus there are alternatives.. buy a premium or Elite if you're worried about HDD prices
9- Don't really care about HD-DVD... but I do have the add-on. It gives me choices..
Post by: Martinchris23 on July 09, 2007, 02:01:00 AM
How many people since the RRoD was first discovered have opened their console to fix the problem? How many of these people would have been better off to send the unit back for a free repair (but couldn't under the old warranty)?
Martin
Post by: Tazmanian_Devil on July 09, 2007, 04:31:00 AM
Denying/Ignoring RRoD for 1.5y
At launch only 90days warranty in USA
Crappy D-pad <------------------------------------------------this is the only thing i dont have a problem with
Low quality of standard headset
Sync issues with early controllers and wireless headset
Limited filetype support for media playback
Lack of a webbrowser
Overpriced accessoires (WiFi Adapter, HDD, ...)
No internal High-Def/Capacity Disc
Again we have been shafted by M$, not only with a lack of support for the above, but because they wanted to beat $ony to the off with a quicker release, we get cheap ass components that make the 360 a drop out.
Also with the cheaper release price, we are hit with overpriced accessories that could be sold at half the price.
Post by: Toon_Army on July 09, 2007, 05:04:00 AM
QUOTE(AirGibson @ Jul 9 2007, 03:18 AM)
My vote would be for the $50 annual fee to give you permission to do what other gaming options let you do for free.
Short of that, I'd say the RRoD.
my £40 for 360 LIVE or the free PS3........ i'll have 360 every time, and yes, i do own a PS3.
Post by: BerT69 on July 09, 2007, 05:35:00 AM
Post by: DeRuKu on July 09, 2007, 05:45:00 AM
Until then ill stay with my Xbox1, Wii and various Retro-consoles-
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 09, 2007, 06:27:00 AM
The reason I voted that way was because when they first started seeing the problems crop up... they should have FIXED THE PROBLEM right then and there...
Denying the problem is a marketing tactic so I can't fault them for that... I DO fault them for not fixing it before they got to the point where they HAD to own up to it or face massive backlash from the gaming community.
Post by: Heet on July 09, 2007, 06:36:00 AM
Bye bye 360 and most of all, M$.
Post by: Andrew_Roy on July 09, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: sephiroth99 on July 09, 2007, 10:29:00 AM
Post by: bucko on July 09, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: jimbobjim on July 09, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
What about the poor quality disc drives? I've seen a ton af Sammys with some major tray sticking problems, plus, many scratch the crap out of games. And what about that noise?
Post by: JustDanMI on July 09, 2007, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Andrew_Roy @ Jul 9 2007, 11:51 AM)
Selling a SKU without harddrive standard would have gotten my vote if it were a choice.
I'd have to agree with you. That was their biggest mistake. Since that wasn't an option, I went with the fact that they ignored or so than denying it. If they would have fixed it right away, their credability would still be intact.
Post by: Barnolde on July 09, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: d3fault_dot_xbe on July 09, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: nowitzkiripp on July 09, 2007, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: Viper323 on July 09, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
I would say the RRoD problem / denying the RRoD problem (They kinda go hand in hand...) and the lack of filetype support were their biggest mistakes. Being honest / reasonable with consumers and a firmware update could solve these problems though.
Post by: halofun121 on July 09, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
I also think better Media Playback capabilities from the start would also have been better. Playing HD quality movies over HDMI off of the hard drive? Sounds good to me! The Media Center Extender thing can stay, but calling it a replacement for an XBMC-style media player is a joke.
The RRoD is outrageous. I can understand some problems at first, but we're still having them? They should have invested more money into quality and rigorously tested the hardware. But we all know they wanted to get it out the door a year before everyone else. This is the most important problem. This is what's going to draw the average consumer away.
Post by: ThaCrip on July 09, 2007, 07:32:00 PM
theres more i could complain about in that list although some of it you know microsoft will never give to the people like how XBMC is for the original xbox1... pretty much does all formats.
but honestly the denying it for 1.5years is just flat out unacceptable!
Post by: BanditRW on July 09, 2007, 08:40:00 PM
.....that is until 3 days ago... 
....when my Launch console suddenly froze-screen went blank-and when I rebooted.....3RLOD.Thats when I started reading up on the whole X-Clamp deal and when I finally tore into my 360 and saw how obvious the problem was and how simple/cheap the fix was...I was just mystified... 
...1.At how such an obvious design flaw could slip past MS &
2.How easy/simple the fix was to correct the flaw
Still...I'm not totally PO'ed at MS,it only cost me a couple of dollars to fix my 360 and now its running like a champ again,plus I've removed the X-Clamps from my other 360s just as a precaution and did some further cooling mods to the ductwork inside the 360.
Between my PC's,360's and PS3 ..I save a ton on heating in the winter,my gameroom is always nice and toasty
Post by: InvidiousDemise on July 09, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
I wanted to be selfish and vote D-Pad but that's not far as bad as my brother's RRoD problem, so the D-pad is something I can live with... I also don't see anything about the 360 menu being really slow... that's one of my bigger problems with it...
Post by: bobjim17 on July 10, 2007, 01:03:00 AM
Time and time again I turn it on, only to play for a few minutes and end up playing KotOR or something on my original Xbox. I find the 360 slower, oddly enough, than the original xbox, and the sound output is crackly. Just to be finicky and add to the list of other issues.
Anyway, I voted for the RRoD issue, as I have suffered this twice. Fourth console for me. Hooray. Luckily the outfit I bought the thing from replaced it the first two times as it was in the first month (respectively) of me having the thing.
Total issues, however, are too numerous to list. The lack of an internal HDD, and the SKU with no HDD at all, are very valid points. I understand (and please correct me if I am wrong) that any standard 3.5" HDD can be put in the PS3 with instant ability to use the entire space, whereas with the 360 (even if you do manage, by some miracle, to locate the correct model) you can still only use as much space as you would have had with a standard HDD. Of course, I understand that there is work involved with the PS3 HDD swap effort.
So, at one point I gave up and tried to sell my 360. I couldn't even sell it for half what I bought it for. Including games and all. This, to me, is a larger sign of a failed console than anything else you could name. People want to see some kind of investment from such a large and heavily-hyped product. Not the type you might get returns on, but the type that at least your neighbour might covet. Not something that breeds fear in the hearts of men.
The cheap components report from whichever Taiwanese company reported it was expected like an oncoming freight train.
To add to this, I am expecting in the future that M$ will release a version of the 360 with a next-gen DVD format internally. They did this with HDMI, and so I don't think see any reason to suspect they won't do so with the optical drive. The bitterly disappointing thing about this is that those of us that purchased the console originally will miss out (and did so with regards to HDMI) yet they will still call all sales a win for the 360. I understand changes made to improve the general console itself (such as with the different versions of the original Xbox) but adding technology into a released product is a no-no. Whats more, if any devs decide to create huge mammoth-proportion games (who's not waiting for this to happen?) and decide they want to release them on a console, they will have to go with PS3 as the 360 'cannot play games from the HD-DVD add-on'. Where's the justice, you say?
My only hope now lies in XBMC for the 360. The possibilities at this stage are limitless!
Another point that has occurred to me is an alternate angle of the price issue for the PS3. Sure, at this point its way above expectations. However, as prices for the technology drop, prices of the PS3 will come down, and this will not be an issue.
At the same time; most of the other issues the PS3 is currently sporting can be fixed by some well spent development dollars (the online service and the limited games selection to name two). Considering how long the PS2 has been round, and how it is still being made, supported and sold (WTF were you thinking M$, dropping xbox1!?!?) I would say Sony intend the PS3 to be around for a long time, and so are thus far not concerned about the price issue. After all, its working insofar as to further their control over the next-gen DVD market, isn't it?
Now, if only it didn't look like something food should be cooked on...
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on July 10, 2007, 01:05:00 AM
Post by: Nosf3ratu on July 10, 2007, 04:22:00 AM
Post by: ISOmaniac29 on July 10, 2007, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Fred_PJ @ Jul 9 2007, 11:02 PM)
We should make a list and send it to Microsoft.
you are the man!
__________________
i have had just about every problem in the book with the 360 im sick of it ive owned four already and they
died after normal use and when i got the elite i thought maybe they would have fixed everything but they
still are not dealing with the problems at hand if you ask me because i still see them way too much
note: hd drive?
my system is blueray for the movie room could care less about anything HD anymore other then the TV itself
Post by: DIE-HARD on July 10, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
It should also not require special formatting or sizing of the videos in order for it to play as long as it was compressed using a compatible codec!
Heck for under $100 you can go buy a DivX/XviD stand alone player. Tell me why MS would not be able to afford to license playback as others have and still make plenty of money? Heck I would buy another Xbox 360 if they had DivX/XviD support!
And last but not least, "Windows Home Networking" and I am not talking UPnP Media servers. I am talking SMB network browsing support.
Post by: xlordx on July 10, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Lordscr on July 10, 2007, 01:10:00 PM
If everything produced a different error code we all wouldn't been unified with the same problem.
Post by: jpolster2005 on July 10, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
I am wondering why the elite doesnt have hd dvd internally and wheres my web browser. three freakin cores and no browser?. surely it can handle it, plus its a COMPUTER
Post by: XBOX360NYMODING on July 10, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Digital_sin on July 10, 2007, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: manu_xl on July 11, 2007, 05:21:00 AM
Post by: bassquake on July 11, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
Mine would read (from worst to not bothered):
1. Red Ring of Dead (RRoD) Problem / Denying/Ignoring RRoD for 1.5y (same thing as far as im concerned).
2. Limited filetype support for media playback. (would be an xbmc killer probably!)
3. Overpriced accessoires (WiFi Adapter, HDD, ...) (£70 for a hd? ur havin a larf!)
4. Lack of a webbrowser. (Even the wii has one)
5. No internal High-Def/Capacity Disc. (Would be nice)
6. Low quality of standard headset / Sync issues with early controllers and wireless headset. (similar problems so count as one, dont even use one anyway)
The last ones: At launch only 90days warranty in USA and Crappy D-pad dont affect me as im in UK and I like the D-Pad!
Post by: MickRick on July 11, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(XaN4 @ Jul 9 2007, 04:51 AM)
i would have voted for all of them i can M$ did a very bad job on this console they put really cheap parts into this console i love what sony is doing and im not a sony fanboy is that sony gets no money from the console at all but all from games i wish M$ would put more time and money into the 360 a hd-dvd drive would not be that much more if was built in but really pisses me off is that the mics suck major balls i cant her crap out of them and some times the qualty is so bad i cat understand people
Maybe you should take your keyboard back and exchange it for one with punctuation keys, you know the ones I mean. ,.?;:"! that sort of thing. And a spell-checker wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Seriously though, I really do think that the rrod and denying it existed should be one option to vote on. It's the one thing that put me off the 360 for over a year (apart from the price). And the lack of divx/xvid/matroska video support and mp4 5.1ch audio is really annoying.
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on July 11, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: jimbobjim on July 11, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: gsharpshooter on July 11, 2007, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: LiteralTruth on July 12, 2007, 03:39:00 AM
While that is undoubtably the biggest business mistake on MS' part though, for me personally the biggest irritation is the media support. One of the main reasons I bought an 360 was as a media player. The sheer crapness of the media application has shocked me though - the difficulty of using it even as an Mp3 players (when it comes to things like building up a playlist and browsing through your tracks) as well as the difficulty of using it as a place to actually story your already ripped media, And the lack of file type support is something I'm still astounded by. It really suprises me when they were gifted with a fantastic example of how to do it successfully with XBMC.
I'm just hoping that at some point we get proper mod chips for the 360 so that we can have XBMC360 - and I can finally unplug my original XBox from my TV.
Post by: chane2k1 on July 12, 2007, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: MeKiwi on July 12, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
What I consider to be their biggest mistake isn't listed on the poll, and that is the fact that not every 360 has a HDD, so no developer can count on it to be there. Sure, some developers may take advantage of it if it's present, but realistically most developers will write the code assuming you DON'T have a HDD, thereby making the HDD simply a glorified storage device and bypassing all the caching and other improvements that the HDD gave in the original XBox. This holds especially true given the time crunch the developers already go through... not many will have the luxury of taking the time to write extra code to optimize the use of a HDD.
Just my two cents.
Post by: Kurto2022 on July 13, 2007, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: slimgrip on July 14, 2007, 02:22:00 AM
Had they acknowledged it from the start & said they were working on finding a resolve they would have saved a lot of face.
Personally both my 360s have been fine. (touch wood)
Slim
Post by: TreyTable on July 15, 2007, 10:37:00 AM
I think the biggest problem with the XBOX 360 is with the XBOX 360 Core system. Every system should have a Hard Drive.
Or if that's too strict, let developers make games that require at least the 20GB HDD. I mean what is that seven GB for on my 20 GB HDD?
Ignoring the RRoD was bad, but they are working on that... Besides, anybody who doesn't buy a two year warranty on a consumer electronics device that costs more than $300 is asking for trouble.
Post by: 0794 on July 15, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: hassan on July 15, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: espionix on July 16, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
I bought my 360 for GoW, now the PC appears to be getting what looks like a better version/update whatever, you didn't buy a Sega for Sonic, then see it released on the SNES, it just didn't happen.
Im an avid pc gamer, and if you look at games for the 360, and take away all the ones that are also available/will be available its pretty pathetic.
Post by: jude on July 17, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: l_oliveira on July 18, 2007, 06:57:00 AM
Ignoring RRoD at top of my list. It happened and should be fixed to avoid further damage to the product image.
RRoD as second, it should never happened, but happened.
Overpriced HDD and memory cards.
Not on the list, but I also have to mention that their commitment on regional lockdown enforcement for LIVE games is pretty lame. I don't blame them for blocking region download of movie and music contents but blocking the games and demos ? That's total bull sh*t.
Now they have to fix millions of units. Even Moore resigned ... oh well ...
Post by: warlordship on July 18, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
I'm amazed that the lack of a hard drive as standard is not as much of an issue as it must be. Without the drive, games must be designed with the lack in mind, and as others before me have already mentioned, no drive caching.
Easy fix. I'd be willing to bet that most people have bought only premium systems, or have bought a HDD addon for their core, if they got it. So developers? Just make the game with the drive in mind. Let's put this unpleasant-ness behind us by making core systems VERY unpopular, by requiring a hard drive for your game. Those without drives will either upgrade to play your game, or not play it. If I was developing games, I'd rather try to make HDD's standard than get 10% more sales...
Post by: vengeancegoon on July 18, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
Sigh, I'm off to buy a PS3 so I can at least play something for the next 6 weeks while I wait for my console.
Post by: fritoeata on July 18, 2007, 05:37:00 PM
The rrod was a definite source of frustration for many(thank God not me! but my power supply tanked after only 3 months...)
denial by M$ was a HUGE slap in the face!
But...
For me(by a narrow margin),
the biggest pain in the ass to me is the lack of codecs available!! They now support Apple formats, but for heaven's sake! We've got 2 of the 3 most accepted formats unrecognized... Xvid, Divx!
---Frito
Post by: brunobelo on July 19, 2007, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Nosf3ratu @ Jul 10 2007, 07:58 AM)
I think their biggest mistake was not including a high-def optical drive like Sony did. All of the console failures can be fixed but developers are really going to need extra storage in the future for when the games start to get big. I've been over multi-disc games since the 32-bit era, having them on a next-gen console is ridiculous. As for my 360, I've never had a problem with it.
Nope. Games got smaller and prettier as the time pass. 9gb is the ideal size, the media is cheap and we really don't need more than that. You should read this article:
http://www.gamesfirs...dex.php?id=1132
It's a really good article about this issue. :-)
Post by: UltimateNinja9 on July 21, 2007, 06:45:00 AM
Post by: UberNube on July 22, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: jdsun1 on July 23, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
QUOTE(XaN4 @ Jul 8 2007, 11:51 PM)
i would have voted for all of them i can M$ did a very bad job on this console they put really cheap parts into this console i love what sony is doing and im not a sony fanboy is that sony gets no money from the console at all but all from games i wish M$ would put more time and money into the 360 a hd-dvd drive would not be that much more if was built in but really pisses me off is that the mics suck major balls i cant her crap out of them and some times the qualty is so bad i cat understand people
POS Fanboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: bassquake on July 25, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Yeh... what he said! ^^^
Post by: gsharpshooter on July 25, 2007, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: 1NightStandard on July 25, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
$99 for a wifi, $40 for a pos charger, ....
Post by: Gnash on July 27, 2007, 06:35:00 AM
Microsoft Vista was an abolute disaster; I hope that this topples the Microsoft monopoly and allows linux to come in.
With regards to gaming, the Wii certainly is better than the Xbox: cheaper, better games, and it is more popular as the "next generation" console.
Post by: reval4tion on July 28, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Heet on July 30, 2007, 01:14:00 AM
Guess M$ never read that thread and looked at the dates of the posts. Or the other 10000000 stories, posts, blogs on the net that told them they had a major problem.
Bring on the 65nm, shit I'll try again.
Post by: ThUgLoVe on July 30, 2007, 03:42:00 PM
if they would have fixed it say within the 1st few months then they could have saved atleast 500mil and said something along the lines of
"yes the launch 360's has this problem,but we have fixed it for newer consoles and we are offering a free replacement for those launch consoles"
and that would have been the end of it.instead they sat around and let the problem snowball into what it is today.
I See the lack of built in HDDVD hurting the format more so then the console.thats the single reason bluray has even got a foot in the door right now.if ms would have just stuck an hddvd in the 360 from the start it would be the standard and BR would have been DOA...
Post by: ThUgLoVe on July 30, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(UltimateNinja9 @ Jul 21 2007, 09:21 AM)
Microsoft made Internet Explorer which is the most used web browser ever, and somehow they end up making the only nextgen console that can't surf the web. What's up with that?
I too would really like to have a browser,but all of the ones ive tried (DC,XBOX,WII ect)they all down right SUCK!!!!! a joystick doesnt even come close to a mouse,and sure the chat add on thingy would help,but with out something to scroll the window around and move a pointer then its just useless.and thats not even getting into links,flash,download ect..
if they cant make it work like the one your using now on your PC then dont even brother.
Post by: Krazed on July 30, 2007, 05:58:00 PM
I just wish 360 could run XBMC, then I could deal with all else that happens. I love my xbox1, and wouldn't trade it for the world. 
also what about all the people who threw their 360 out because ms didn't address the problem sooner. I mean, 90 day warranty, come on now
Post by: Mr007 on July 30, 2007, 08:52:00 PM