Post by: leftyfb on October 27, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: ProSam on October 28, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
YEAH BABY!
Post by: chilin_dude on October 28, 2004, 07:48:00 AM
But surely it had to happen sooner or later.... 86 years is a long time
Post by: Spency234 on October 28, 2004, 10:54:00 AM
I think I was happier when they knocked off the Yankees then when they won the whole thing but CONGRATS BOSTON!
:beer:
Post by: SnowPea on October 28, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: ProSam on October 29, 2004, 02:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (SnowPea @ Oct 28 2004, 09:04 PM) |
| I just want to say that the Cardinal's performance was pathetic... way to go Sox! |
Did they even show, up
Post by: enderandrew on November 26, 2004, 02:15:00 AM
I can't believe this thread only has five posts.
The BoSox winning it all has to be one of the greatest sports moments in my life.
Post by: Rylinkus on December 11, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
The Yankees had no competant pitching in the playoffs. Mussina is good, and I've always been a fan back to his Baltimore days, but he's no longer a legit number 1. Orlando was hurting. And Brown.... well, he was just one step beyond horrible beyond my worst dreams.
The Yankees definately got beat. They got in a position to win and had their best boy on the mound, and Mariano couldn't close out game 4. And they got to him. And by the time NY started Brown in 7 I was convinced they were trying to lose.
Frankly I was very suprised at what a pushover SL was, as I wholy expected them to win the Series regardless of what team made it. A few more games would have been nice rather then the sweep. But it's still a good win for Boston and very much deserved.
The fans are still stupid. In the series I had to listen to them explain to me that SL sucked (Before they got swept), because they had a worse record, proven by Boston's homefield in the Series. And then I had to listen to people bitch and whine about how unfair it is that the DH doesn't exist in NL parks, even though it's prob more unfair to NL teams, since they don't have a guy like Ortiz on their team to be used soley as a bat. And since I've had to listen to how they're gonna resign ALL their free agents AND get Pavano, AND Beltran, AND half the other guys on the free agent market. I guess 9 starting pitchers and half a dozen CFs is a cool thing....
That being said I think Boston has done VERY well this off season. IF they manage to resign Pedro and Tek, theyll be doing great. Mantei's a nice improvement to their pen. And if they get Renteria, that's a HUGE pickup.
Meanwhile I have NO idea what NYs doing. Why they didn't use the option to keep Lieber for 8 million for one more year is beyond me. Instead they chose to sign a 3 year, 21 mil deal to Jaret Wright...... He's no better, both are questions marks, the cost per year is similar..... Why not keep Lieber instead, since one year contracts are less ricky on guys you're unsure of. Particularly guys whom get along with your team.
Womack was a great pickup. A good 2nd baseman and gets Jeter back to the 2nd slot in the lineup where he belongs.
Wells....... He's prob. no better then Lowe. He's 41 years old. I like him a lot and wanted NY to try for him, even though with his age and back, he may not be as good as in years past. It's an emotional blow to NY fans more then anything. It should prevent Boston from trying for Pedro AND Pavano, but still, it's annoying.
All said, I'm suprised that more teams aren't going after guys like Clement or Radke, before it looked like he's a lock to be in Minnesota. Pavano and Pedro are big money risks in my mind. Pavanos had 1 good season. And Pedro seems to be aging quicker then he should. Maybe he's not really 33. It's not like the Dominican Republic keeps good records on birthdates and other guys in the league like Contreras are of questionable age.
Boston played well last year. I've got tickets to see em June 26th vs Cleveland. Hopefully Wells will be pitching. I probably won't wear a Yankees fan to not start too many problems. But I figure NY's still up 26 to 6, so I can't cry myself to sleep too much.
Post by: enderandrew on December 12, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
A-Rod is another guy I wouldn't want in the clubhouse.
Everyone talks about the Boston clubhouse and the wild personalities. But NY has a lot of pressure.
How do you think the NY clubhouse reacts to A-Rod failing to perform in the clutch, Jeter keeping a far superior defensive shortshop over at third, Brown punching a wall, and Mr. Invincibility losing a deciding game in the 9th inning?
Add to that Giambi admitting that he took steroids. I'm sure there are tons of players doing it, but being the first active player to admit to it is not going to make him a popular man.
What saddens me is the Boston free agent push. These guys are heroes. They have to know that New York still fields a decent team, will plug pitching holes and come right back next year. If I'm in the Boston clubhouse, I'm trying to encourage my teammates to develop a team philosophy. Don't demand the moon. Leave some salary room to resign the whole team. I like the roster largely how it is.
Good closer. Decent pen. Good starting pitching, decent defense and good offense.
Boston has to becareful. They could go from king of the world to missing the playoffs next year.
Post by: Rylinkus on December 12, 2004, 06:08:00 PM
Jaret Wright is a mistake in my mind. I think Lieber was better, and I don't feel this is an improvement to the pitching staff. Their bullpen was markably improved by getting Stanton and Rodriguez for Lofton and Heredia. I think they definately made out in those deals.
Boston does have a lot of pressure to not be a huge failure next year after a wonderful year. And NY to improve to their former dominant self.
I don't like A-Rod. Never did.
I like Kevin Brown, but he's definately not what he once was. He's lost several miles off his pitches and his back is always hurt now.
I'm hoping NY choses not to keep Wright due to his physicals. I'd rather see Milton or Clement. Actually both of them, or one of them AND Hernandez back would allow for Brown to miss games.
As for Mariano...... No one's perfect. He gets hit by Boston, but then again Boston's got one of the best lineups in baseball so it would figure that they'd be the team to get to him. Just like it makes sense that guys like Pedro have problems with NY's lineup.
Picking up Pavano seems solid enough. I worry he won't perform as well as he did last year. We shall see. I'm really hoping for Clement.......
Post by: enderandrew on December 12, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
But sometimes a chink in the armor can cause once great ones to tumble.
The Nebraska Cornhuskers had the most dominant program in college football over 40 years. They never took a year off. No other college program in any sport could ever claim to be great for over 40 years consistently. Iowa wrestling, North Carolina women's soccer and a few other programs have been truly great for 10-20 year spans, but over 40 years of 9+ wins is incredible.
Yet, when Nebraska got clobbered by Colorado a few years back, the team never recovered. We're still limping around from that.
It will be interesting to see how New York responds. They've got a great offense and with some pitching they could be near unstoppable.
Post by: ProSam on December 13, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
THough I would like to see him stay I also thing that Theo is making all the right moves to keep the sox in good position to win lots of games and at least contend for the division.
Of course we can just sit and wait to see how all of these off seaon transactions will pan out but I for one think that now that we have lifted this huge burden off our soldiers it will be alot easier to make it back and win some more in the coming years.
GO SOX!
Post by: streetchemistry on December 13, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: enderandrew on December 14, 2004, 12:01:00 AM
I'm sad to see Pedro go. I think it hurts his legacy if he ends up only spending half his career in Boston.
Apparently helping Boston fight the Evil Empire isn't nearly as important as getting top dollar, and satisfying his ego.
I think he wasn't happy playing second fiddle to Schilling, but Schill came up big last year, and any team player should be happy that Schill delivered on his days. Petey should only concern himself with how he performs during his starts.
Could we steal Radke away from Minnesota?
Post by: zhcky89 on December 17, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on December 22, 2004, 01:49:00 PM
I keep reading that Boston's done very well in this off season. I really don't see it. Must just be Boston based sports writers trying to be optomistic. Because in my mind they've lost a lot on the pitching side.
Post by: enderandrew on December 26, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
I used to love Pedro. But he demanded top dollar, and perks to boot. The Red Sox gave it to him, and he still walked. He demanded that he make more than Schilling. For a few years Pedro was the best in the game, but he's lost a notch. Schill is getting up there in years, but is pitching just as well. Some pitchers age better than others, and quite frankly Schill was the ace this year, and Pedro a pretty good number 2 pitcher.
Pedro did stink his last four regular season appearances in a contract year. And still the Sox offered him a hefty contract.
Pedro talks about respect, but what respect is he showing the team? The BoSox are bloated on payroll, and need to remain competitive. Pedro demonstrated that he doesn't care about the team. He only cares about his personal payday.
He'll fit in nicely in New York.
Post by: Rylinkus on January 03, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
To me almost everyone on both teams is a maybe.
The Yankees....
1. Randy Johnsons DOES have no cartiledge in his knee. IS 41. But he still seems to have his stuff. I'm pretty pumped as both a Yankees fan and a Johnson fan. I think it helps NY and I think it is good for Randy to get a better stage to show his talents.
2. Mussina. I like Mike. I honestly don't know how you couldn't like the guy. He's a classic example of almost winning 20 games. Almost throwing a no hitter. Never really pulling it off. He WAS a good number one, but probably not anymore. He's also older and has had injury issues.
3. Pavano. All the hype about a guy whose had 1 solid season. Like Clement he's unproven and I don't know if I feel comfortable with a 4 year, 10 mil a year contract for a career pitcher whose only got a .500 winning percentage. In my mind if you wanted a younger power pitcher whose trying to have a break out year why not go out of your way to keep the 28 year old pitcher you had.....Vasquez.
4. Wright. As we look at younger players Jaret really amazes me. All these guys that are 27-28 just starting to get it under control. Wright's 27 or 28 now and pitched in the 97 playoffs for the Indians...... I liked him then, but he's had a lot of arm injuries. For the money I'd have optioned Lieber who was coming off Tommy John rather then the guy whose had shoulder issues. Tommy John guys generally pitch VERY well after surgery (IE Tommy John) Should surgery guys may not.
5. Kevin Brown. I LOVED when NY picked him up. Sure he's old. Yes he has back problems. OK, maybe his fastball has lost 7 MPH. And, every once in a while he'll punch a wall. I'm pulling for him this year. I followed him with LA as my dad was a Dodgers fan and I like the guy. The media hates him since he won't talk with them. I probably wouldn't either. I hope he has a solid year.
Boston.... (Not really sure on what their order is actually gonna be...)
1. Schilling. He had a great season last year. But he's also getting on in his career. AND he did have his ankle injury. And the 03 season was not one of Schil's better ones. I'ts already looking like his start of the season is gone. Sox fans better hope thats all he misses.
2. Wells. I find David Wells amusing. I watched him pitch his perfect game. I've read his book. I hope he does well. He too like a lot of these other guys is old. (42 in May) And like Brown and Mussina has a history of back issues. But unlike them, he's NEVER in shape. He's the best arguement there is that you don't need to be an athlete to play baseball.
3. Clement. I'm not overly familiar with him. Haven't seen enough of him to really judge. Seems to be good when he's on, and bad when he's not. But he's not consistent and doesn't have a winning record for his career. I'd much rather have Pedro and Lowe then Clement and Wells.
4. Bronson. I hate the cornrows. I think this kid could be good though. I'm impressed with him. I think he's got solid stuff and could develope into a very good pitcher. Maybe even be Boston's number 1 in years to come.
5. Wade Miller. This is Boston's BEST move outside of getting Tek back IMO. When the Stros got Pettitte everyone was talking about them having a legit ace now. And I was screaming at sportwriters on TV asking "What about Oswalt and Miller??" Wade Miller was injured last season, but I certainly expect big things from him.
6. Wakefield. Having 6 starters is a problem any team would love to have. I can see Wake becoming a long reliever if Miller isn't used in that role. It will probably depend on how Miller pitchers in Spring Training. He'd be a very solid guy to have out of the pen.
And losing Pedro and Lowe. Here's my take on Pedro. I hated him. I hated his whining. I hated his arrogance. And mostly I hated having to watch my team play against him. He's good. Damn good. You look at his career ERA numbers and can't oompare them with anyone playing today. You need to go back 50+ years into the pitchers era to find other guys with comparable numbers and they're still few and far between. He had an off year last year. FOR PEDRO. No one seems to get that. His off year was good enough for 4th in the Cy Young voting. His off year was better then any starting pitcher on the Yankees. Or most teams for that matter. Who was better? Santana? Schilling? Clemens? Oswalt? Johnson? If you can only name 10 players in the league that did better then him on his "off" year how bad was it really? He was the BEST free agent pitcher. And if Boston was willing to give another guy who was older , Schilling, and had come off a bad season, (Far worse then Pedros), why not give their own guy the benefit of the doubt? Hell, he's 5 years younger then Schill.
Lowe. This bothers me more then Pedro. As a Yankees fan I get his value. Just like I got Pettitte's. A mediocre pitcher all year long that becomes unhittable in the playoffs. You need guys like that to step it up. NEED them. If your guys can't perform in the post season they're useless. There's reasons guys like Pettitte are so valuable. Lowes the same. He was given the win in the deciding game in each series in the playoffs. 3 times. No pitcher had ever done that before. I have no idea why they got rid of Lowe. I've heard they wanted someone younger and that's why they got rid of Lowe and Pedro. And then picked up Wells???? I've heard that they had a problem with Lowe and alcohol issues. And then they picked up Wells??? I also heard that Epstein made a pass at him and Lowe turned him down. I really don't even know what I can say about that.
Post by: makaveli91 on January 03, 2005, 11:04:00 PM
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I'm praying the Randy Johnson deal falls through.
Boston could be in some trouble next year. We let Pedro, Lowe and Cabrera go to sign Renteria, Wells and Clement?
I just don't understand.
Boston could be in some trouble next year. We let Pedro, Lowe and Cabrera go to sign Renteria, Wells and Clement?
I just don't understand.
I'm with you 110% on this. Clement is crap. I'm a cubbies fan too. I hated when this guy pitched. Arggghh.. When the cubbies were planning on dealing him i was pretty happy, as i wouldn't have to watch or read about his usual crappy outtings..I'll admit, he had some good games. But it seemed to be more crap ass ones than good ones. Anyways, I thought i was in the clear and BOOM, the Bosox get him... What a damn shame...
EDIT: Oh yeah, i got onto clement and that was it..lol.. I was hoping the deal fell through too but i guess we gotta just sit back and watch now.
Post by: Rylinkus on January 04, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(enderandrew @ Jan 4 2005, 05:28 AM)
I'm praying the Randy Johnson deal falls through.
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Title: Red Sox Win The World Series!
Post by: Rylinkus on January 05, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on January 05, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(enderandrew @ Jan 5 2005, 04:03 AM)
Edgar and Orlando are both good players. One costs twice as much. Cabrera already had team chemistry, provided much needed defense, and cost half as much. Letting him go for a big ticket free agent sends the wrong message to the team, and it's throwing money away.
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Title: Red Sox Win The World Series!
Post by: Rylinkus on January 05, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on January 05, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(enderandrew @ Jan 6 2005, 02:14 AM)
I'm not knocking Renteria. He may be the best SS playing today.