Post by: PS3Scene on December 23, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
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Post by: Ranger72 on December 23, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
But I did have some trouble logging on earlier.
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Post by: incognegro on December 23, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: ZenoX on December 23, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: mlmadmax on December 23, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
I thought this was only coming out for japan. Hope it is sweet.
Post by: Exist2Resist on December 23, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
So if the PS3 network can't handle the GT demo, how are they ever going to handle gaming on a scale such as GOW or Halo 2 like they do on XBOX LIVE. Thats not good news at all for the sony camp.
I guess they need those Military Grade servers like M$ has got for XBL.
LOL
Post by: epsilon72 on December 23, 2006, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Pheidias on December 24, 2006, 02:40:00 AM
But yeah this is the ps3 and sony we are talking about so of course there must be something negative to be said.
Watch out for the mistletoe
Post by: redwolf on December 24, 2006, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Exist2Resist @ Dec 24 2006, 05:03 AM) 
Good to hear that the demo is out in the US.
So if the PS3 network can't handle the GT demo, how are they ever going to handle gaming on a scale such as GOW or Halo 2 like they do on XBOX LIVE. Thats not good news at all for the sony camp.
I guess they need those Military Grade servers like M$ has got for XBL.
LOL
So if the PS3 network can't handle the GT demo, how are they ever going to handle gaming on a scale such as GOW or Halo 2 like they do on XBOX LIVE. Thats not good news at all for the sony camp.
I guess they need those Military Grade servers like M$ has got for XBL.
LOL
you can even play games (without ping limits) on XBC and XLink. you don't need powerful servers.
in short, when you download content (demo, movies etc.) you're downloading it from a server hosting it, which may have mirrors for each countries/region. but for most games when you play LIVE, all LIVE does is reroutes players to xbox to another xbox. i.e. as the person said above, host it yourself.
Post by: incognegro on December 24, 2006, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 24 2006, 10:40 AM)
exist2resist, you mean those servers that choked for a week following the market place video release. And your also aware that 625mb of online play that probably takes you 2-3 weeks to get to. And doesn't MS make you host the games yourself?
But yeah this is the ps3 and sony we are talking about so of course there must be something negative to be said.
Watch out for the mistletoe
so basically when millions of ppl download shit on xbl the servers choke but when a mere 500,000 (if that many) download something on sony's servers, they choke? and you dont see anything wrong with that?
whatever...
its funny you have a problem with negativity towards the ps3 yet I dont hear you singing any praises for MS lately
Post by: Exist2Resist on December 24, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Dec 24 2006, 12:35 AM) 
What that does have to do with anything, 1080p ?!, both machines are capable of 1080p resolution.
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 24 2006, 04:40 AM)
exist2resist, you mean those servers that choked for a week following the market place video release. And your also aware that 625mb of online play that probably takes you 2-3 weeks to get to. And doesn't MS make you host the games yourself?
But yeah this is the ps3 and sony we are talking about so of course there must be something negative to be said.
Watch out for the mistletoe
Yes, Millions of users downloading 4 gb of HD content at a time vs thousands of users downloading 600 mb at a time. Yes of course M$ makes you host your games yourself, isn't that how its done you always host the games yourself on the 360, original xbox, PC, PS2, Game Cube. And we know that XBL can handle the equvalent of what sonys servers cant handle, look at the GRAW expansion pack, thats about 700 MB, when that came out they didnt have any problems. Either way the network still has to prove itself. And yes i have absolutely nothing negative to say about the 360, because they know how to design a gaming system. Up untill yesterday i hated them for only offering 90 day manufactures warranty, but they have extended that forl a year now. Besides we could get into this long debate on which gaming system is superior, blah blah blah, .... and i would still win.
QUOTE(redwolf @ Dec 24 2006, 08:13 AM)
you can even play games (without ping limits) on XBC and XLink. you don't need powerful servers.
in short, when you download content (demo, movies etc.) you're downloading it from a server hosting it, which may have mirrors for each countries/region. but for most games when you play LIVE, all LIVE does is reroutes players to xbox to another xbox. i.e. as the person said above, host it yourself.
Yes you could play on XBC or Xlink, but then youre missing out on the Xbox Live experience, which is far superior than both of those services. And then you dont have ping limits, so you could have some noob sitting on the other side with a dialup connection. I'll stick to XBL. But yes there are alternatives. I do however like the way they integrated the Xlink service to XBMC on the original xbox. That was kinda cool.
What i was saying is that if they can't handle thousands of users downloadign a measly 700 mb, what promise do you have when Sony comes out with a game that has popularity like GOW or Halo2, that it will not crash the servers. The information is hosted, but the problem is not the information, it is the actual traffic.
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Post by: Pheidias on December 24, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
I just found it strange that not one of you voiced your opinion on how crappy ms was for not being able to keep up with the demand for the system you own, but the system you don't own that one you are voicing your concern about...
And incognegro what exactly is it you wan't me to say MS did correct lately? I gave them 2 thumbs up for finely going 1 year warrenty,wich not doing from the start is the biggest plunder from any next gen contender so far. I'm wickedly jealous of the japanese xbox owners for getting BD this christmas. Ditto for the americans and the video market place.
But i'd be more concerned if I owned a xbox knowing that any time your forced on a xbox live upgrade you have an increasing risk of bricking or damaging your console. And MS are still denying it and making you pay for fixing something they broke.
Post by: calderra on December 25, 2006, 05:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 24 2006, 10:12 PM)
I just found it strange that not one of you voiced your opinion on how crappy ms was for not being able to keep up...
But i'd be more concerned if I owned a xbox knowing that any time your forced on a xbox live upgrade you have an increasing risk of bricking or damaging your console. And MS are still denying it and making you pay for fixing something they broke.
Wrong and wrong.
Xbox Live has gotten slow due to major downloads, but it mostly throttles the downloads to keep online. Yes, that meant people trying to download the HD videos for the first few days were probably getting dialup-type download speeds, but the actualy gameplay still worked flawlessly.
And how can you say Microsoft is making you pay for bricked consoles, when they extended their warranty? If they bricked it, they have it covered. And the actual number of people who've ever been bricked has been tiny anyway- it's not like they're taking out 1/5th of the install base or anything. And almost all of the time anyway, even if your console isn't under warranty, Microsoft has still been fixing consoles. And not just fixing, but overnighting both ways with a great turnaround time, and frequently giving free hard drives to Core customers.
Post by: dvsone on December 25, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
I remember MS talking about allowing gold members to have access to demos and trailers first before silver members. This will probably be implemented in the future to stop crashes when millions of people are downloading huge demos and trailers on release. As soon as something big is released you have millions of people smashing the servers. It really is amazing the amount of data that's pulled off those servers, and it's only going to get bigger and bigger. More users, more demos & trailers, and faster connections. With the exception of the video marketplace issues, I'm amazed by how stable the system is.
How can sony possibly match this when it isn't funded by any users. I'm expecting they will have to limit the amount of free content they distribute. Maybe they will charge the publishers to distribute demos and trailers as it's advertising for their title. Who knows, MS might already be charging the publishers for this.
Post by: Ravo5002 on December 25, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
sony quality... gosh
i know im overreacting, but this opportunity was just 2 good to let it pass whahaha... let the fanboy commentz start
Post by: biabia8659 on December 25, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
i like sony's new machine but when it comes down to the online service xbox live is far superior sure you have to pay for gold but for probably less than $0.25 a day ill take live any day over the ps3 service.
and as i still wonder how many more did not download and also how many ps3 are out there that have never connected online and how many actual active ps3's there is out there, makes me say that sony dose in fact need to fix this server issue they are having. the service might be free, but thats still not an excuse, just think if the would have pushed out all the ps3 they wanted to and plan on putting out there, this would have been much worse.
Post by: Pheidias on December 26, 2006, 04:25:00 AM
Post by: VariableElite on December 27, 2006, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 26 2006, 05:32 AM)
Meh, this demo already beats Forza 2 in creating realistic graphics, i'm disappointed. And I acctually got laughed at for saying gthd vs forza 2 should be a good comparison graphics wise.
Didn't realize that Forza 2 was out already.
Post by: Pheidias on December 27, 2006, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 27, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
2. AFAIK there have NEVER been any screenshots, video, or other things released that representing the game graphics So exactly how are you comparing GTHD to a game that no one in the public has ever seen.
To my knowledge the only Forza 2 stuff that has been released is concept images.
Post by: Pheidias on December 28, 2006, 01:45:00 AM
2. The game was 60% complete at tokya game show where they showed the game. And the pictures released says nothing about them being anything other then from the demonstration.
2 for 2
Oh and didn't xbox live get knocked on its ass just this morning, for no reason at all?
Payback is a bitch..
Post by: VariableElite on December 28, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 28 2006, 02:52 AM)
1. Twisted wtf do a google search for forza 2 delayed
2. The game was 60% complete at tokya game show where they showed the game. And the pictures released says nothing about them being anything other then from the demonstration.
2 for 2
Oh and didn't xbox live get knocked on its ass just this morning, for no reason at all?
Payback is a bitch..
Sigh...
Pheidias wtf do a google search for gt5 delayed
You know what's sad? There are less than 500,000 PS3s in the wild, and it took me two hours to sign onto the Playstation network when I opened my PS3. Then the system drops out because too many people are downloading a crappy tech demo that isn't worth shit.
Meanwhile, XBL boasts user counts of 4,000,000+. It drops for a couple of hours, and you have the nerve to gloat over it?
Kids these days...Oh, and let's not even start on how pathetic the PS3 is that a TECH DEMO that even the developers realized blew chunks is the most exciting thing available.
P.S. You're keeping score? How about all of the arguments that you completely ignore? Your revised score is now: 1 for 1000.
Post by: Pheidias on December 29, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
Of course I'm gonna gloat over something as xbl going down, after everyone heralded it as the best thing ever and that the stability is why you pay for live.. and then lights out..
Post by: VariableElite on December 29, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 29 2006, 09:14 AM)
heh just to homour you I did a gt5 delayed search, one site says gt 5 is delayed Forza motorsports forum. gt5 is a tba title. And why did you get a ps3?
Of course I'm gonna gloat over something as xbl going down, after everyone heralded it as the best thing ever and that the stability is why you pay for live.. and then lights out..
I bought a PS3 because I was hoping that there would be decent games for it, plus, having never owned a PS2, I wanted to be able to play the classics on that system as well.
I've only been disappointed up to this point. Resistance is unplayable to me until Sony (or a third party) releases a controller that doesn't suck. PS2 games look like crap. The few exclusive games that I figure may be worth playing don't come out until March at the earliest, so I'm seriously considering unloading this thing, buying a PStwo, and pocketing the difference. (I justified not buying a PS2 before the PS3 launch by figuring that the PS3's hardware emulation would provide the same experience. Instead, it took already-poor PS2 graphics and made them worse.
)Oh, and stability is only part of the reason I pay for XBL. I also pay for unified design (stuff works the same no matter what I'm doing), friend functions, Achievements, and more, and at $4.17 a month I figure I'm getting a pretty good deal, even if parts of the system drop for two hours once or twice a year. Hell, one of my client's DSL line drops more often than that.
BTW, since you don't own a PS3 yourself, doesn't that prevent you from taking part in this forum, based on what you've said previously?
Post by: Pheidias on December 29, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
I'm here to get information and talk with people about the ps3 and what it can or cannot do. I just don't like it when people sneak in from the XS part and utter things as ps3 is crap, without ever even being near one. Or start spouting nonsense on how they hate Sony and all they want is the ps3 to fail in every single thread. But yeah it sucks that the ps3s backwards compatablity is fucked (strangely the games look the same on the ps2 in 480p too) its was one of the reasons I was considering buying one later down the road.
And also I don't invest in a system until its proven itself and got a couple AAA games that I want, for now not one of the three do. I'll stick with the old xbox1 and my DSLite for now
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 29, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 29 2006, 01:07 PM)
And also I don't invest in a system until its proven itself and got a couple AAA games that I want, for now not one of the three do. I'll stick with the old xbox1 and my DSLite for now
AAA 360 games: GoW, Oblivion, CoD2, Rainbow Six: Vegas.
AAA Ps3 games: None
Post by: Pheidias on December 30, 2006, 02:13:00 AM
Of the 3 systems only Wii has a AAA that I want Zelda
ps oblivion and vegas will end up on the ps3
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 30, 2006, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 30 2006, 02:20 AM)
Did you buy your 360 after your pick of AAA games where released or before foe? I did acctually play CoD2 though on the pc didn't like the fact that you couldn't die and magicly healed..
Of the 3 systems only Wii has a AAA that I want Zelda
ps oblivion and vegas will end up on the ps3
I bought it at launch, mainly for Perfect Dark.....of which was underwhelming. But CoD2 blew me away, as well as Condemned and Kameo. But the point is, what is your excuse? The 360 is the only 'next-gen' system that has AAA titles.
You couldn't die on CoD2 for the PC? Try setting the difficulty to something rather then easy, then.
While i agree that Zelda is an AAA title, you cannot count it as a Wii AAA title because it is just a GC port. There is no difference whatsoever with the exception of the poorly implemented after though of the wii remote, and widescreen. I'm more then happy with the GC version of Zelda. That's like saying that Halo 1&2 BC support for the 360 are 360 AAA tiles. Sorry, no dice. GC does not have any AAA titles. And the best the ps3 has is Resistance, of which i don't consider a AAA title. Not to mention that any FPS on the ps3 will suck, do to the fact of the horrible ps3/ps2/ps1 controllers analog sticks (placement and function).
I'm aware of Oblivion and R6:Vegas being available on the PS3. But they are currently out on the 360, and not on the ps3. Not to mention that R6 will probably look worse, and most assuredly play worse (thanks to the ps3's shittastic controller) compared to the 360's version.
Post by: Pheidias on December 30, 2006, 07:27:00 AM
Resistence is a great example of a AAA title as is Gears, but that doesn't mean any of them even gets me to raise a eyebrow.
I don't really see how or why you'd want to bend your way out of TP being a AAA for the wii though
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 30, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Dec 30 2006, 07:34 AM)
Resistence is a great example of a AAA title as is Gears, but that doesn't mean any of them even gets me to raise a eyebrow.
I don't really see how or why you'd want to bend your way out of TP being a AAA for the wii though
Oblivion does not play "better" on the PC. The control is actually better on the 360 controller (better layout), and frame rate and graphics are only better on a PC if you have a $400+ graphics card.
Have you even played resistance or gears? Resistance is not an AAA title. Good, yes. But it is no GoW.
Zelda:TP is NOT a Wii AAA title. It is a GC AAA title dumped onto the Wii. If you are going to use that logic, then like i mentioned before, Halo 1&2 are 360 AAA title. Hell, they even look better on the 360. Unlike zelda:TP does on the Wii.
Post by: Pheidias on December 31, 2006, 02:28:00 AM
Oh and how good a AAA title is isn't what makes it a AAA title. But honestly AAA is the worst made up word ever, I apologize for bringing it to the table.
So everygame that starts its production on another system is credited to that system? then Halo isn't a xbox game? So on this TP business lets agree to disagree since we apperently have very different oppinions on what classifies for a game for a system.
Post by: Foe-hammer on December 31, 2006, 05:04:00 AM
Then what is the definition of an 'AAA' title? Those that sell very well? Those that have an average score on all reviews in the mid 90's? Then if that is the case, resistance is not one. Zelda and GoW, yes. R6:vegas, possibly.
My point about Zelda:TP is that is was developed for the GC from start to finish, and always was planned for the GC. It was just dumped to the Wii so that the console would have one good game. It graphically is the exact same game as it is for the GC. Nothing was enhanced for the Wii. Understand?
Post by: Pheidias on January 01, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
The wii version is widescreen...
For it to acctually count as you say then it should have just been released for the cube but with support for the new controller if you played it on the wii.
Post by: Foe-hammer on January 01, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 1 2007, 01:05 PM)
For instance once upon a time every game released from blizzard where considered AAA.
The wii version is widescreen...
For it to acctually count as you say then it should have just been released for the cube but with support for the new controller if you played it on the wii.
I mentioned previously that the only difference was widescreen support and the use of the wand. The added widescreen is nice, but when nothing else is added graphically it does not cut it. And imo the Wii wand doesn't work that well with the game; it noticeably was not made with it in mind in the first place.
For it to be considered a Wii system seller game, there needs to be more then just widescreen and wand support added. For those who have the Gamecube, like myself, there is no way on earth i'd pick up the Wii for zelda:TP, when pretty much the exact same game is available for the cube.
Post by: Pheidias on January 01, 2007, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on January 02, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: BTAKasper on January 09, 2007, 02:59:00 PM
I've noticed one thing the ps3 online service does need, or maybe it does but i just didnt figure it out. It should allow downloads to move to the background while you surf other games like the 360 marketplace does, also if you cancel a download why not allow resuming like the 360 also. thats a whole different topic though.
Game was fun overall!
Post by: VariableElite on January 14, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
QUOTE(heartofalion @ Jan 12 2007, 11:13 PM)
i think all the xbox fanboi's need to chill out. You guys are bashing the shit out of a system that isnt that old, its still in its infancy. The 360 didnt have didly shit at launch, and it had its share of issues too. M$ has smoothed those out though, but they've had a year to do it, give sony a chance.
Anyway i have to agree about the network sucking ass right now. Its funny ill start demo downloads and then while they are downloading play my 360. I kinda regret buying my ps3 without crap for launch titles, the only one i would consider getting is NFS carbon but i already have it for my 360. I plan on dling that tech demo tonight while i sleep.
But as i said, xbox fanboys lay off. This is sony's first attempt at an online community, i doubt live was orgasmic when it launched. (i wouldnt know i didnt own an xbox until like 6 months ago). I mean every thread i go into you guys are just tearing the ps3 apart, give it some time. If its still crap in 1 year ok i understand ripping on it but give it a chance.
True, it's a new console, but Sony's had a year of watching the 360 grow to understand what gamers think is important, and they've apparently wasted it.
Your argument doesn't take into account how much more Live with have developed over the time it takes Sony to match its current features. If Sony had been smart, they could have been very close to Live at launch, and even innovated some stuff on their own. As it stands, they will spend the rest of this generation playing catch-up when it comes to online gaming, barring some freak occurrence.