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Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: swejac on November 14, 2009, 08:32:00 AM
My box is flagged for banning (confirmed over phone), but since I haven't allowed it to connect to Live, the box is still fully functionable.

I still want to use the box as mediacenter, I also want the box to be able to connect to internet for browsing, and watching online video etc.

Here's my question:
How can I allow the box to use internet but avoid it getting banned?

My ideas are:
-Removing the account with Live connection
-Blocking Xbox Live's ports in the firewall, except for port 80 then

Can anyone confirm if my ideas are right, will the box connect even if there are no Live account details?

Thanks
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: ilscuro on November 17, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
You can still stream from your pc to a banned console, i tried a few different programs, but the one that worked for me was PS3 media server(yes it works with 360).

As for your other question, all i can say is i think you have to make the live connection to do all the things you want to do, and making that connection will get you banned if, as you say, you've already been flagged.

I could be wrong though smile.gif
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: totallyspies on November 18, 2009, 01:54:00 AM
System Settings -> Family Settings -> Console Controls -> XBox LIVE Access

My banned console, even after connecting had no problem continuing to function as I wanted it to as a media center, but with the buzz, I disabled my LIVE connection this way also.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: swejac on November 19, 2009, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(ilscuro @ Nov 17 2009, 09:35 PM) View Post

You can still stream from your pc to a banned console, i tried a few different programs, but the one that worked for me was PS3 media server(yes it works with 360).

As for your other question, all i can say is i think you have to make the live connection to do all the things you want to do, and making that connection will get you banned if, as you say, you've already been flagged.

I could be wrong though smile.gif


So just to be clear, if my console gets aware of it's banned, then I will only loose Live functionality?

What I do today is using the media extender functionlity to see streamed TV from internet, as well as view pictures and movies stored locally. So this should still work if the console is banned?

And simply removing the Live details, and disabling Live in family settings, should prevent the box to connect to live?
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: me2611 on November 22, 2009, 04:15:00 PM
System Settings -> Family Settings -> Console Controls -> XBox LIVE Access

Thats all i did, And have been fine since when playing system link and streaming movies.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: jekbu on December 23, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
QUOTE(swejac @ Nov 14 2009, 11:32 PM) View Post


I still want to use the box as mediacenter, I also want the box to be able to connect to internet for browsing, and watching online video etc.



is that possible without connecting to LIVE?

or do you mean that you have a pc/laptop connected to the same network that does all that?

if it's the latter, just remove the gateway settings on you xbox.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Frog_Racer on December 28, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
I know that some routers have the capability of blocking xbox live access.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: kingpickle on January 02, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat with one of my boxes (i didnt confirm I was flagged i'm just assuming (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ). What I did was use my routers access restriction policy to keep the xbox's mac off of the internet entirely. Simple and effective.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: craz3d on January 05, 2010, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(kingpickle @ Jan 2 2010, 08:42 PM) View Post

I'm pretty much in the same boat with one of my boxes (i didnt confirm I was flagged i'm just assuming smile.gif ). What I did was use my routers access restriction policy to keep the xbox's mac off of the internet entirely. Simple and effective.

This.  It is also known as "MAC Filtering" by some router configuration pages.  I believe you can get the MAC address of your XBOX360 by going into the Network Test module.  It should be of the form 00-25-AE-XX-XX-XX where the X's are values from 0-9 or A-F
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: crash_2012 on January 05, 2010, 08:59:00 PM
wouldnt blocking the consoles mac address also block it from the network and from accessing any computers??
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: craz3d on January 05, 2010, 11:02:00 PM
QUOTE(crash_2012 @ Jan 5 2010, 10:59 PM) View Post

wouldnt blocking the consoles mac address also block it from the network and from accessing any computers??

You're not blocking it from the network, it just can't receive an internet connection.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: kingpickle on January 07, 2010, 11:54:00 AM
Mac filtering under router control panels is part of the wireless settings (for blocking unwanted wifi users). Do not use this to block your 360 from the internet (it will not work on lan ports so your 360 will go right online and take the ban if you use this). Access Restrictions is the tab I used to block mine from internet access only (ie I can still stream media to it while it can not go on live).
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: craz3d on January 07, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Ah yes, I can't edit my above post, but MAC Filtering is in fact a different tool from Access Restrictions.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Guy Montag on January 12, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
I use the dd-wrt firmware in my router and I just blocked my Xbox 360's MAC address from accessing the internet.  It still streams from my PC flawlessly and I don't have to worry about it connecting to live on accident.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: kingpickle on January 12, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Guy Montag @ Jan 12 2010, 04:46 PM) View Post

I use the dd-wrt firmware in my router and I just blocked my Xbox 360's MAC address from accessing the internet.  It still streams from my PC flawlessly and I don't have to worry about it connecting to live on accident.


+1 for dd-wrt. Here's to hoping a front end for kaid gets created for the 360 beerchug.gif
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: craz3d on January 13, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
You guys should look into tomato if you already haven't.  I was on dd-wrt for a bit but was sick of crashing.  Tomato has been much more stable for me and has a nicer UI.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: kingpickle on January 13, 2010, 02:21:00 AM
QUOTE(craz3d @ Jan 13 2010, 03:24 AM) View Post

You guys should look into tomato if you already haven't.  I was on dd-wrt for a bit but was sick of crashing.  Tomato has been much more stable for me and has a nicer UI.


I'll try tomato soon as dd-wrt becomes unstable for me. Been using it for about 5 years across several routers and it's been rock solid biggrin.gif
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Drefsab on January 13, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
Or you could just instead manually enter the xbox's IP address and subnet mask, that puts it on the lan but leave the gateway/dns blank. With no DNS lookups it wont know what IP's to route to, and any traffic to IP's not part of your local subnet will not be routable thus no live access.

This post has been edited by Drefsab: Jan 13 2010, 06:14 PM
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: kingpickle on January 13, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
Anyone know what url or ip the 360 uses to connect to live? I would like to block that so I can still use xlink kai to play online.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: mattjk on January 15, 2010, 09:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Drefsab @ Jan 13 2010, 07:13 PM) View Post

Or you could just instead manually enter the xbox's IP address and subnet mask, that puts it on the lan but leave the gateway/dns blank. With no DNS lookups it wont know what IP's to route to, and any traffic to IP's not part of your local subnet will not be routable thus no live access.



This man speaketh sense.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: TheGlow on February 16, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
Nod, good info guys. I was banned and switched my 360 with someone who had no intentions of going online ever again.
So now I have a stock box but still wanted to play a backup on occasion.
So for foolproof security I can disable xboxlive in the settings, leave the gateway empty and then mac filter it out on the router eh?
I just wanna be able to play backups and stream media with tversity again.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Martinchris23 on February 18, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(totallyspies @ Nov 18 2009, 08:54 AM) View Post

System Settings -> Family Settings -> Console Controls -> XBox LIVE Access

My banned console, even after connecting had no problem continuing to function as I wanted it to as a media center, but with the buzz, I disabled my LIVE connection this way also.



QUOTE(me2611 @ Nov 22 2009, 11:15 PM) View Post

System Settings -> Family Settings -> Console Controls -> XBox LIVE Access

Thats all i did, And have been fine since when playing system link and streaming movies.


^these

You're immediately blocked from Xbox Live without the worry of the router resetting to factory defaults or setting the Network configuration to DHCP.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: sfjuocekr on May 25, 2010, 04:48:00 PM
Why so stressed about getting the ban hammer message?

I have a banned xbox, JTAG'ed and connected to internet no problems. Atleast with the new 9199 kernel/dash it still allows me to use WMC and install games etc.

It's like M$ has removed the corruption/disallowing with the 9199 patch, that was introduced with the 8xxx patches? Atleast I have no noticable side effects apart from getting the this xbox is banned blablabla message everytime I sign-in my XBL account ><

Next to that if you do have side effects, just boot into XeLLous and restore the NAND to whatever you used to flash it with? I keep the file on a USB stick just in case stuff like this happened pre-9199, but it seems to be not needed anymore.

Also, yes Tomato firmware! Much, much, much better QoS support!
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Casper1786 on July 01, 2010, 11:54:00 PM
I've used the info included with XeXMenu, seemed to work for me fine, i Tested it on my Non-Banned XBL console, and ran connection tests, and i got Network Connection(LAN) but no Internet and XBL.

If anyone wants a little read up on that I will post it here:

FTP)  To prevent the Xbox from connecting to Xbox Live you can set up your
      network as follows

      - Use an IP adress outside your routers DHCP IP pool
        If your router use 192.168.1.100-200 for DHCP you could use 192.168.1.210
      - Set up your computers IP as gateway.
     
      The XBox should be able to connect to your computer now but won't get
      access to the internet.
     
      If you have a second NIC just make a direct connection to be sure

      Use xbox:xbox@ip:21 to connect



only issue here with this is that you need to configure your PC a Static IP address and not have it set on DHCP, Using your PCs IP as a Gateway I beleive is needed for a FTP connection, if your PC gets issued a new IP from the DHCP for some reason, then it may not be able to connect
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Denyingjoker on August 08, 2010, 08:36:00 PM
I hate to hijack the topic but i want to do something similar.

I have a non banned jtaged xbox 360, that i want to keep that way but i want to be able to update Freestyle Dash 2 and get previews for games. Is there any way to only allow the xbox to connect to FSD servers or just block Xbox live?
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: inspuration on August 12, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Denyingjoker @ Aug 9 2010, 03:36 AM) View Post

I hate to hijack the topic but i want to do something similar.

I have a non banned jtaged xbox 360, that i want to keep that way but i want to be able to update Freestyle Dash 2 and get previews for games. Is there any way to only allow the xbox to connect to FSD servers or just block Xbox live?


Turn on parental controls as disable xbox live connection.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Spegs12 on August 15, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
Unfortunately blocking live connection from parental controls does not appear to keep you from getting banned. It has happened to me personally and I have seen a thread that confirms information is still being sent to M$ through packet sniffing. I never actually "connected" to Xbox Live but when the KV was tried it was banned. I was signing in with a Live account. I wish they would make a patch that had the option of blocking Xbox Live completely.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: brandogg on August 15, 2010, 11:02:00 PM
You should never use a Live account on a JTAG'ed system. I don't think you'll get banned (I haven't) if you use an offline account that you just created, since you haven't agreed to XBL's TOS if you're using an offline profile. I don't think you need to go as far as testing out your keyvault either, you can use your hard drive on another console, and if your first console is banned, then your profile should be corrupted on the other console, correct?
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: Spegs12 on August 16, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
That wasn't the exact situation. I gave it to someone to try a MW2 lobby and it was banned. The profile could not have been corrupt because it never actually connected to Live. I know I should not use a Live profile but I want to be able to update my achievements at some point. I have been using this gamertag since the Xbox days.
Title: Avoid Live Connection, But Allow Internet Connectivity
Post by: coldengrey on August 31, 2010, 09:45:00 AM
I'd love to read additional discussion on topic!
This entire flagging/handshake M$ connection has me very concerned.

Little confused with conflicting replies to topic-
1) Which is the correct method to setting up Jtag on network (router) and blocking all connections to jtag other than PC???

->Have question about using FSD 2.0 and FS Indexer-
2) Can they be run and updated as intended via PC connecting online rather than Jtag console (on same network via router) then simply ftp downloaded updates to jtag console manually?

3) How do you go about running FS Indexer (FSD1.2) via PC rather than Jtag (if possible)?

 Have read a lot about this stuff before asking... Just never found exact enough answers/conflicting info.
You can't go the trial and error method with this- you get one shot and you're done if you've overlooked or misconstrued something, you know (other than buying and replacing KV- which would take me forever to figure out!)

Thanks
jason