Post by: XboxDude87 on November 08, 2004, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Crypty on November 08, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
I like the halo 1 weapons and engines FAR more but the live stuff on halo 2 is great. Oh how I wish there was a halo 1 with all those live goodies. *tear* <
Post by: XboxDude87 on November 08, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Crypty @ Nov 9 2004, 01:09 AM) |
| I completely agree. There are other things that make the game more noob friendly too, but Im not gonna go into too much detail since I am a busy man. Lets just say spray and pray vs precision and practice. I like the halo 1 weapons and engines FAR more but the live stuff on halo 2 is great. Oh how I wish there was a halo 1 with all those live goodies. *tear* |
Exactly. It takes ZERO practice to be good at this game. Alls you have to do is know the levels and you're good. Its pretty much a spray gun game. Most weapons are automatic. Being able to just be good takes all the fun out of it. I think they should make games with the intention of people being able to be a lot better than people, than making them noob friendly. The people who sucked ass in halo1 are going to love this game in the begining, but they will see what we mean after they play it a while. There are no main advantages. <
Post by: notsodiseased on November 08, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (XboxDude87 @ Nov 9 2004, 01:18 AM) |
| Exactly. It takes ZERO practice to be good at this game. Alls you have to do is know the levels and you're good. Its pretty much a spray gun game. Most weapons are automatic. Being able to just be good takes all the fun out of it. I think they should make games with the intention of people being able to be a lot better than people, than making them noob friendly. The people who sucked ass in halo1 are going to love this game in the begining, but they will see what we mean after they play it a while. There are no main advantages. |
Before i get started i just want to apologise in advance incase i get too worked up. I will touch lightly on my points and move on.
Halo 2 is an awesome game and i will agree it is more noob friendly. But i believe you guys are wayy off mark about it. To say it takes 0 practice to get good at this game is ignorant. Im sorry but it is. If what you call noobs can evolve than you bet your ass that pros can evolve too. I guarantee that the same people you see in halo1 comps will be the one in halo2 comps. And yes everyones crying that they dropped the god pistol. Who cares. Real halo game and comps are decided by the sniper rifle and thats still there (an improved)
and as for people who sucked at halo 1 and love this game. I assume that means you think your good right? I dont see your name on any winners list. Dont be so hateful. If you dont like it then keep playing halo1. No big deal. But I think I'll be moving ahead.
(FYI zios made over60$k last year on halo tournys alone. its only going to get better) <
Post by: romeoso on November 08, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: CreziB on November 08, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
I can't wait for the hackers to pull the mongoose and creaper out of the shared map file and open it up for players. Or perhaps live will enable it later. <
Post by: Crypty on November 08, 2004, 05:05:00 PM
What would really kick some ass is a re release of halo 1 w/ live stuff. That or a content DL that changes the weapons and engine back to halo 1 so you can play either way. Im sure it will happen in a mod eventually but then id have a hard time finding people to play w/
Post by: Crypty on November 08, 2004, 05:08:00 PM
What would really kick some ass is a re release of halo 1 w/ live stuff. That or a content DL that changes the weapons and engine back to halo 1 so you can play either way. Im sure it will happen in a mod eventually but then id have a hard time finding people to play w/
Post by: XboxDude87 on November 08, 2004, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: bigjonny on November 08, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Heet on November 08, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: ChrisF on November 08, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: esc1 on November 08, 2004, 08:23:00 PM
Also, this sequel is a lot more about strat and closer combat.
The sniper rifles are the new pistols and the covy carbine isn't too bad, although they all leave trails and the rilfes trail stays a bit longer than in the first, but with due warrant. Get out of the line of their fire or pick them off.
The thing I think every is overlooking is the covenant pistol. Charge it and hit someone they have no shields. Then they are gone with any auto weapon you have. <
Post by: jesusphreak on November 08, 2004, 08:24:00 PM
Halo 1 was the most unbalanced game ever. It was just laughed at by other games because there was no real strategy to it. You get good with the pistol, you got good with grenades, and you are king.
Having played Halo 2 over Xbox Connect several times over the past 3 weeks, I can tell you that it still takes a lot of skill. A good player will own you. The best players are actual good with the magnums or the battle rifle.
I, being a one man team, managed to outscore 3 other 3-4 man teams over about 35 kills. I obviously wouldn't have been able to do that if it was a noob game.
You just need to play it yourself.
It takes even more skill. There is nothing like dual wielding two players down, meleeing someone, then getting a grenade kill all in a row.
There is nothing like throwing a grenade, smging two people that have been weakened by it, then whipping out the rocket launcher and nailing a banshee flying by.
It takes skill; and its a great and very balanced game. <
Post by: bigjonny on November 08, 2004, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: bigjonny on November 08, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: Heet on November 08, 2004, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: duo135 on November 09, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
Post by: XboxDude87 on November 09, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (xbc-Rizzo @ Nov 9 2004, 09:09 AM) |
| I am amazing at Halo 1 and I hate Halo 2. Anyone that bitches about the pistol in Halo 1 means that they got owned really bad in it. Halo 2 is just like Unreal Championship with all that fast and stupid guns. All you have to do in Halo 2 is dual weapon or get the noob-sword and youre good at it. Compared to Halo 1 when you had to time with the pistol and precision of the 3 shot kill and grenade placing, also the strategies of knowing where the other team is going to be. Halo 2 sucks plain and simple and will never be better than Halo 1.. p.s. and if you doubt my skills in Halo 1 play me on XBC and you can host... XBC Tag = [[[-Rizzo-]]] |
Exactly my point. Thanks for backing me up.
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on November 09, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (xbc-Rizzo @ Nov 9 2004, 03:09 AM) |
| I am amazing at Halo 1 and I hate Halo 2. Anyone that bitches about the pistol in Halo 1 means that they got owned really bad in it. Halo 2 is just like Unreal Championship with all that fast and stupid guns. All you have to do in Halo 2 is dual weapon or get the noob-sword and youre good at it. Compared to Halo 1 when you had to time with the pistol and precision of the 3 shot kill and grenade placing, also the strategies of knowing where the other team is going to be. Halo 2 sucks plain and simple and will never be better than Halo 1.. p.s. and if you doubt my skills in Halo 1 play me on XBC and you can host... XBC Tag = [[[-Rizzo-]]] |
your shitting me right?
you take the essence of n00b and add a whole kind of new to it
n00b sword, thats a good one, just like everyone called the fuel rod gun the n00b tube because they were getting killed before they could use there precious "pistol"
no offense, and i dont like resorting to this, but your an ignorant little bitch
ive played xbc for 2 years, and at one point i played at competitions, but mainly just for the fun of it, and even when i was "pwning" with the pistol, i hated it
thats all halo 1 was, a pistol and some grenades, so basically, no skill at all, none
you didnt even need to get good at head shots to own with the pistol, as long as you were near there upper body, and had a few meters of distance, it would be over
but now, now you go and whine because it actually involves skill?
now your forced to learn how to use a "bullet hose" or a "n00b sword"???
jesus, grow some balls, quit whining and learn to play
so what if someone has the sword, by the way you talk yourself up, it seems youd be able to take a sword tooting n00b down, but yet your bitching about it
seriously, look at what skill really is, and then come back here and try to talk
(just for your info, the reason why you say Unreal sucks is because you suck at FPS, the whole game revolves around FAST paced killing, meaning you need to make due with what you have no matter what, and that right there involves skill, not just using the same weapon over and over)
now, go grow some balls little n00b boy, and then come back
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on November 09, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (duo135 @ Nov 9 2004, 08:46 AM) |
| Ok, now alot of ppl here able complaining about the loss of the pistol and saying how skilled they were at halo 1 etc etc, well if u were truely skilled at halo 1 then you should be able to kill someone with say the needler, all halo 2 makes u do is actually come up with a few strategies and tactics to take someone down, it isn't a noob game it is just more noob friendly in the beginning you can still get skilled at it. you just need to take the time and practise and maybe think about what you are doing. being able to kill someone with 3 shots with the pistol in halo 1 isn't being good at the game, its just being good with the pistol. |
thanks, you already proved my point
on another note, cant wait for halo 3
Post by: .fortune on November 09, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: 67thRaptorBull on November 09, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (.fortune @ Nov 9 2004, 10:43 PM) |
| I go both ways on this one. It seems as though they tried to balance it out, but made some stuff more nub friendly. IE the homing rockets that you have about a 10percent chance of dodging, or, as stated many times before, the energy sword thing. I do still miss the pistol, but the battle rifle takes it's place. It just doesn't seem like it takes AS MUCH skill as Halo 1 IMO...Please don't flame, just saying what I think. On a side note, I finished the campaign in about 8 hours on Heroic; it seems like Halo 2's campaign blows compared to Halo 1. There are maybe 4/10 levels that I actually like to play on campaign in Halo 2, and the ending was total BS. Then again, I like how Bungie implemented a boss at the end of every few levels, and how the AI was much better. I just can't see what Bungie was working on for 3 years |
because your missing the big picture
bungie has always had a reputation for cliff hangers, and there holding off the rest of the story for halo 3 (which will most likely be on xbox 2)
i actually liked every level of halo 2, compared to the 5 levels i only liked of halo 1
basically, as i state in my other thread, if you think the game sucks or didnt live up to its made up image (the image everyone out there made up in there heads)
your not the true blue, bungie/halo die hard fan, because if you were, youd like the game for how fun it was just to kill in those short periods, or to drive around in those short periods
look at halo 1
you can beat it in about 3-4 hours, theres only 3 levels of driving (Betrayal doesnt count as theres no marines to accompanying you) and less enemies and guns
honestly, its alot better of a game then you all think it is, you just dont want to admit it
Post by: CreziB on November 09, 2004, 07:46:00 PM
I think I'll start a poll to see what the general consensus is on which game is better.
Post by: .fortune on November 09, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (67thRaptorBull @ Nov 10 2004, 04:48 AM) |
| because your missing the big picture bungie has always had a reputation for cliff hangers, and there holding off the rest of the story for halo 3 (which will most likely be on xbox 2) i actually liked every level of halo 2, compared to the 5 levels i only liked of halo 1 basically, as i state in my other thread, if you think the game sucks or didnt live up to its made up image (the image everyone out there made up in there heads) your not the true blue, bungie/halo die hard fan, because if you were, youd like the game for how fun it was just to kill in those short periods, or to drive around in those short periods look at halo 1 you can beat it in about 3-4 hours, theres only 3 levels of driving (Betrayal doesnt count as theres no marines to accompanying you) and less enemies and guns honestly, its alot better of a game then you all think it is, you just dont want to admit it |
Sorry, I haven't played any bungie games other than Halo. I hope that you're right though, about Halo 3 having a awesome ending, story line, or w/e. I'm just disappointed with Bungie right now; it's like hearing about how great a movie is, then going and seeing it, and finding how over-hyped it was. And no, I don't not want to admit that Halo 2's campaign is better than Halo 1's; i honestly think there were more levels with replay value, like AotCR, Halo, The Maw, Two Betrayals, etc, as opposed to (sorry I can't remember the names) The second level of Halo 2, third (where you are the Arbiter for the first time) and the fourth level. The problem for me was, Bungie went way overboard on advertising. It just didn't meet my expectations. The concept art that bungie had posted got me a bit too excited, i guess. Oh well, I suppose there's always Halo 3 to look forward to in 200(?)
Post by: onlinebacon on November 09, 2004, 11:29:00 PM
Post by: iwannadie on November 10, 2004, 07:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (XboxDude87 @ Nov 9 2004, 12:48 AM) |
| I think that halo2 is more of a noob game than halo1. It seems like ANYONE can be good because of the shitty weapons. Like, with halo1 there was good and bad and very good, why? because of the pistol. By taking out the powerful weapon, there leaves little room to get good. The pistol wasn't "unfair", but it took skill to use. None of the new weapons in halo2 take that same skill. The advantage of the pistol in halo1 was there for everyone. If you sucked with it, then you sucked with it, and probably sucked at the game. I think there is a need for unbalanced guns. |
the pistol was good for people that suckd, cause they just needed one shot to kill, no you gotta aim and get alot of shots to get a kill not that ONE lucky kill shot, unbalanced weapons lead to cheesing and that sucks. i like the new balance on guns makes it easy to pick up any gun and not be out matchd by someone who sucks but has a better gun. suckd to have a kid pick up a pistol and fire off a load of shots missing all but that lucky one to kill you while you hammer away nailing all of your shots with a weaker gun that takes longer to kill him. reminds me of football when someone finds a 'money' play thats impossible to defend well and just uses it 90% of the time and moans when they cant use that One play anymore. takes no skill to cheese something.
...imho
Post by: BobBrkersMyHero on November 10, 2004, 07:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (onlinebacon @ Nov 10 2004, 02:32 AM) |
| I havent played Halo 2 yet (cos I'm in the UK) but, Ii'm getting it tomorrow, I was wondering why people are so upset about the pistol being taken out, why? it was what ruined Halo1 so unbalanced, but from what i hear, Halo2 is much better balanced |
exactly...it NEEDS to be unbalanced so that us more skillful players can show off our skill...(not bragging)
i agree with the dissapointment...totally a noob game...
if they took halo 1 and made it xbox live compatible..that would make my day...or the rest of my life
because xbconnect sucks and lags all the time
Post by: gamefreakgcb on November 10, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Sentient on November 10, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
The pistol was unbalanced and better than any other weap. in Halo 1. This is good if you want to spend all of the time using a pistol, but why not call the game "Pistol" and not give anyone any other weapon? I for one would be pretty angry if bungie came out with "Pistol 2". The pistol had a scope and explosive shells, it was a sniper rifle in your hand, cool idea but without other weapons that compare to its power it leaves the game unbalanced.
The accuracy has been taken out of halo 2. This is a complete and utter disregard for the truth, weapons like the covenant carbine, the sniper rifle and a few others deal alot of damage at range with great precision.
Halo 2 is like quake/unreal/half life. another example of a disregard for the truth: Halo 2 is like Halo 2 it has unique weapons and gameplay, sure the smg sprays and prays like a motherfucker but it has RECOIL something that the above mentioned games do not. The shield system sets this game apart from every other, you can return to full health just by managing to stay alive.
The sword is for noobs. While some may like to claim this... you try attacking me w/ the sword when I have any long range weapon... or i have a short range weap and plenty of room, the sword requires you to sneak up on your opponent, or at least attack them while they are cornered.
halo 2 is a noob game, all it is is spray and pray. say that to my sniper rifle. well youre a noob sniper rifle lamer, go play "pistol"
Post by: Sentient on November 10, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: ChrisF on November 10, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
Bottom line is that there are nuances to every game and mastering a game requires learning them. In Halo 1 the pistol was not a nuance - it was unbalanced. You can tell because not anyone here is saying, "You know. I didn't use the pistol all that much. I prefered the shotgun as it lent itself better to my style of gameplay and only rarely used the pistol."
No one developed their own style in H1. They quickly realized that the pistol was a solid sniper, close combat, and power weapon (ultimate jack of all trades excellent at nothing but damn good at everything) and then developed a style of gameplay around it. If a game is balanced people will have preferences for certain weapons and styles of play but a master player will be able to adapt his style to any weapon and play with supperiority. Of course, that requires learning multiple nuances not just a single unbalancing super nuance.
The games are similar enough that your basic skill set should carry over fairly well with just a little bit of practice and some time with the boards. If they don't, then perhaps the skill set being used was based solely around a certain weapon or knowing certain boards and that in my book is familiarity more than skills.
Post by: darkslider802 on November 10, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
my friend played halo 2 atleast 2 days before his friends got it,he siad that people that beat in him in halo he was now beating them in halo2,he was beating them in halo 2 ,why you ask, because he 1 had time to learn the weapons a little and find out you couldnt just kill somebody with 1 weapon now ,and 2 hes friends didnt because they had jst got the game and played him,
people you cant just own with the pistol now ,you got to use diffent tacktics to get ya kills sorry.
Post by: chunkylover on November 10, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: amfdfireinside1 on November 10, 2004, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: darkslider802 on November 11, 2004, 05:02:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| i mean seriously... how can a pistol have a zoom anyways?? or what are the chances of you being killed with a SMG vs a pistol.. id guess an SMG would kill me a lot faster.. but im glad they toned the pistol down a bit.. to me it didnt make much sense that it was soo powerful. and yeh i think you just gotta get used to the new variety of weapons there are.. and figure out strategies.. yeh many weapons are automatic, but some are heatseeking or whatever(ie the needler). and now you got that sword. i was totally owened the last time i played by this kid with a sword and i kept shooting everything, until i got the needlers. and it was a whole new game.. see you just gotta find what works. |
you got to remeber its a game so thats why a pistol would kill faster considering it has bigger bullets and the smg is just like the machine gun ,but in real life i think a smg would kill faster than a pistol ,i havent reallyplayed witht he sword i guess it gona turn out ot be like the pistol now were you can you slice people teh whole time
Post by: SniperKilla on November 11, 2004, 05:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (XboxDude87 @ Nov 8 2004, 11:48 PM) |
| I think that halo2 is more of a noob game than halo1. It seems like ANYONE can be good because of the shitty weapons. Like, with halo1 there was good and bad and very good, why? because of the pistol. By taking out the powerful weapon, there leaves little room to get good. The pistol wasn't "unfair", but it took skill to use. None of the new weapons in halo2 take that same skill. The advantage of the pistol in halo1 was there for everyone. If you sucked with it, then you sucked with it, and probably sucked at the game. I think there is a need for unbalanced guns. |
its called balance.. and keeping games fair.. the pistol was overpowered and unbalanced.. anyone with 10 minutes practice could rape with the pistol..
Post by: lord_jeebuz on November 11, 2004, 06:47:00 AM