Post by: Alex548 on December 29, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
Yahoo Report
Video report from BBC news
Video of Saddam being prepped
Celebration in Iraq
Post by: Vfreitas on December 29, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: pug_ster on December 29, 2006, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: woofis on December 29, 2006, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: Nubbs on December 29, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: CattyKid on December 29, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(woofis @ Dec 30 2006, 12:48 AM) 
^ true. i also think that they should have gave him something other than being hung. thats a little harsh. i know what he did to innocent people but at least shoot that damn guy.
When done properly, hangings are actually quite humane as the neck is snapped causing nearly instant death.
I don't think he should have been killed when he was found but his trials were horribly handled. No one involved besides him should have had to die. But the process of a trial was too important to show Iraqis and people around the world the processes that should be gone through (innocent until guilty) before a sentence is handed down.
Post by: bucko on December 30, 2006, 07:41:00 AM
To be honest I'm happy about it, anything to get rid of these evil men is great, it means one less evil person on the planet but I think he should of been killed by lethal injection like they do in the USA prisons because his court was probably flawed and barbaric.
Post by: BAKUH on December 30, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: BCfosheezy on December 30, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(bucko @ Dec 30 2006, 08:48 AM)
Well I am glad he has gone, don't you get the feeling that all them Iraq people must have a sigh of relieve that he has now gone. Unlike the first Iraq war when the Americans pulled out it caused a back lash but that's bound to happen now anyway because of all the Anti Americanism out there.
To be honest I'm happy about it, anything to get rid of these evil men is great, it means one less evil person on the planet but I think he should of been killed by lethal injection like they do in the USA prisons because his court was probably flawed and barbaric.
To be honest I'm happy about it, anything to get rid of these evil men is great, it means one less evil person on the planet but I think he should of been killed by lethal injection like they do in the USA prisons because his court was probably flawed and barbaric.
Well the majority of Iraqis (the shi'ites) are happy about it as they were oppressed during Saddam's regime. The Sunnis (the ones resisting the new government) were in power during Saddam's reign and they are not so happy about all of this. Since they are not the majority of the population, they do not have much influence in their government and they try to use violence instead. This just further shows them that violence gets them nowhere. They have to play the political game.
You're right about the anti-Americanism, but it is not isolated to outside countries. There are a huge number of people within US borders that hate theirselves. They think we police the globe. They think our government is evil and big business is evil. These people create division within our country and do their best to influence the rest of the population into hating our country as well.
Post by: Modderxtrordanare on December 30, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: Evox117 on December 30, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: grim_d on December 30, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Evox117 @ Dec 30 2006, 09:58 PM)
Dang. Normally youtube has footage like this up sooner.
it was up last night apparantly, it must have been pulled already,
Post by: Druggedpolak on December 30, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
LINK EDITED AWAY
I don't make any real judgements on him because a) I dont know him and b ) My family was not affected by him.
He looked like a tough leader though.
/PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SEE THE FULL EXECUTION WONT GO TO A XBOX FORUM FOR IT! THINK PEOPLE, WE HAVE 9 YEAR OLDS HERE!
Post by: Evox117 on December 30, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
Post by: gcskate27 on December 31, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
QUOTE(jaydee @ Dec 30 2006, 04:49 PM)
/PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SEE THE FULL EXECUTION WONT GO TO A XBOX FORUM FOR IT! THINK PEOPLE, WE HAVE 9 YEAR OLDS HERE!
but would they be frequenting the politics forum?
Post by: Evox117 on December 31, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(gcskate27 @ Dec 31 2006, 09:46 AM)
but would they be frequenting the politics forum?
LOL
Post by: JBmtk on December 31, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: vide0bug13 on January 01, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: Modderxtrordanare on January 02, 2007, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: b15ginz on January 02, 2007, 06:15:00 AM
would it b ok to ask if anyone who has the video can email it to me?
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Post by: Alex548 on January 02, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: vide0bug13 on January 02, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
QUOTE
stich his asshole shut and keep feeding him woulkd have been a much better dealth.
would it b ok to ask if anyone who has the video can email it to me?
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would it b ok to ask if anyone who has the video can email it to me?
*Email removed*
just google "high resolution saddam (cant spell last name) hanging"
O so enjoyable
Post by: throwingks on January 02, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
Post by: Alex548 on January 02, 2007, 08:30:00 AM
I've always wondered why people are so fascinated by watching others suffer/die.
The first time I saw someone die, it made me sick to my stomach. . . that was a long time ago.
Wife is interested in this field of study, but I dunno why.
Too bad his death isn't gonna help bring peace to the region so we can get the troops back home.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 02, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Jan 2 2007, 10:37 AM)
It's quite sad that Bush etc has let this happen to one of its prisoners of war. I'm sure the Geneva Convention states it is against the law to knowingly hand over a prisoner of war to the enemy to be killed and humiliated publicly.
His death has achievedÂ…Â…NOTHING.
His death has achievedÂ…Â…NOTHING.
Again, ignorance shows its ugly face. How would it be against the Geneva Convention to release a prisoner to his home country? Why would any of that specifically be Bush's fault?
His death has sent a message to the Sunnis that the Democracy rules the land. They will piss and moan and blow the shit out of things, but at the end of the day they will get nowhere. They will eventually realize that they must play by the rules to get what they want.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 02, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
Article 118
Prisoners of war shall be released and repatriated without delay after the cessation of active hostilities.
In the absence of stipulations to the above effect in any agreement concluded between the Parties to the conflict with a view to the cessation of hostilities, or failing any such agreement, each of the Detaining Powers shall itself establish and execute without delay a plan of repatriation in conformity with the principle laid down in the foregoing paragraph.
In either case, the measures adopted shall be brought to the knowledge of the prisoners of war.
The costs of repatriation of prisoners of war shall in all cases be equitably apportioned between the Detaining Power and the Power on which the prisoners depend. This apportionment shall be carried out on the following basis:
(a) If the two Powers are contiguous, the Power on which the prisoners of war depend shall bear the costs of repatriation from the frontiers of the Detaining Power.
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If the two Powers are not contiguous, the Detaining Power shall bear the costs of transport of prisoners of war over its own territory as far as its frontier or its port of embarkation nearest to the territory of the Power on which the prisoners of war depend. The Parties concerned shall agree between themselves as to the equitable apportionment of the remaining costs of the repatriation. The conclusion of this agreement shall in no circumstances justify any delay in the repatriation of the prisoners of war. Article 119
Repatriation shall be effected in conditions similar to those laid down in Articles 46 to 48 inclusive of the present Convention for the transfer of prisoners of war, having regard to the provisions of Article 118 and to those of the following paragraphs.
On repatriation, any articles of value impounded from prisoners of war under Article 18, and any foreign currency which has not been converted into the currency of the Detaining Power, shall be restored to them. Articles of value and foreign currency which, for any reason whatever, are not restored to prisoners of war on repatriation, shall be despatched to the Information Bureau set up under Article 122.
Prisoners of war shall be allowed to take with them their personal effects, and any correspondence and parcels which have arrived for them. The weight of such baggage may be limited, if the conditions of repatriation so require, to what each prisoner can reasonably carry. Each prisoner shall in all cases be authorized to carry at least twenty-five kilograms.
The other personal effects of the repatriated prisoner shall be left in the charge of the Detaining Power which shall have them forwarded to him as soon as it has concluded an agreement to this effect, regulating the conditions of transport and the payment of the costs involved, with the Power on which the prisoner depends.
Prisoners of war against whom criminal proceedings for an indictable offence are pending may be detained until the end of such proceedings, and, if necessary, until the completion of the punishment. The same shall apply to prisoners of war already convicted for an indictable offence.
Parties to the conflict shall communicate to each other the names of any prisoners of war who are detained until the end of the proceedings or until punishment has been completed. By agreement between the Parties to the conflict, commissions shall be established for the purpose of searching for dispersed prisoners of war and of assuring their repatriation with the least possible delay.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 02, 2007, 07:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Jan 2 2007, 03:20 PM)
For a start hostilities are not over, far from it. If the coalition packed it's bags and went on it's merry way today, the Iraqi government, army and police force would no longer exist as we know it.
That's exactly why the coalition can't pull out
Thanks for proving the argument to not pull out. QUOTE
Something else worth researching is the fact that puppet war crime trials are still being held and the number one witness is dead. How convenient. If Iraq had reached the stage of truth and reconciliation his death could have been the final chapter in Iraq's troubled history. But as it stands far too many questions will remain unanswered.
Yeah, because most people testify against theirself. You're absolutely right. Had we not killed him, he would have went ahead and told us every sinister thing he ever did. Why didn't anyone else ever think of that? ...... Maybe because it's ludicrous. The questions would remain unanswered no matter what. You have absolutely no argument here other than you are against anything that even slightly moves things forward. That's why you rebuke the fact that this moved the Iraqi government forward. Sure there's violence. There has been violence there before, during, and after the major conflict. There always will be with people who believe their religion tells them to kill others but this is the first major thing the Iraqi government has done. It shows that the system works. It forces them to accept that they will be held accountable for their actions and they are no longer under a dictatorship. No matter how terrible I think hanging someone is, there is no denying that it was a step forward for the Iraqi government.
Post by: throwingks on January 02, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jan 2 2007, 09:55 PM)
That's exactly why the coalition can't pull out
Thanks for proving the argument to not pull out.QUOTE
No matter how terrible I think hanging someone is, there is no denying that it was a step forward for the Iraqi government.
In a weird sort of thinking this makes sense. I just agree with Ghandi "An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind." To teach the world don't be evil and kill, or this will happen to you, is kinda backwards. But, I know where you are coming from. Weird.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 02, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(throwingks @ Jan 2 2007, 09:03 PM)
I think both Democrats and Republicans have it wrong. We need to show our enemies that the U.S. is united in its cause to do whatever our cause is over there. Arguing with each other for votes doesn't help the people in uniform 1 bit. Votes should not be the #1 concern. Americas safety should be.
I agree with you 100% here and almost started a thread about this yesterday about how our politicians care more about the next election than what's good for our country. Ironic. You almost quoted my blog from Early '05 word for word.QUOTE
In a weird sort of thinking this makes sense. I just agree with Ghandi "An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind." To teach the world don't be evil and kill, or this will happen to you, is kinda backwards. But, I know where you are coming from. Weird.
Well I see what you're saying but here's the only way to think of it that I can see. Iraq's democracy is in its infancy. So, already it's being compared to a small child. Small children don't understand words. They do understand little raps on the rump. It's the only way to get the point across.
Post by: throwingks on January 02, 2007, 08:27:00 PM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Jan 2 2007, 10:28 PM)
I agree with you 100% here and almost started a thread about this yesterday about how our politicians care more about the next election than what's good for our country.
Please, don't be scared to start threads. This section has weakened a bit lately and resisting to start threads doesnt help anybody. If you don't want to share a link to your blog here, please PM it to me. I am interested.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 03, 2007, 07:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Jan 3 2007, 05:43 AM)
You are not looking at the bigger picture here. Sadam had help from the west to conduct his reign of terror on his own people and his neighbors. He may have not told the truth when it comes to his own war crimes but I bet he would have had plenty to say regarding help he received from the west.
Yeah and I'm really sure we could believe that. Honestly son, what reason would anyone have to believe him? You just said ok he'll hide or lie about things HE did, but he will absolutely tell the truth about what the people he hates did. Come on. You're surely not that stupid.
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You say I'm against anything that moves a country forward. You are wrong. Killing Sadam has not moved Iraq forward. Killing prisoners is not how democracy works. Well, not in country anyway.
Killing Saddam HAS moved Iraq forward as I have already depicted. It will continue to as well. No prisoners were killed. He was a U.S. prisoner. He was convicted in IRAQ and put to death by IRAQ. He was not their prisoner. He was their ex-dictator. NONE of your points are correct and you ARE rebuking anything that moves things forward simply because it's not in your political interests for it to be doing so. It IS in your political interest to say that things are horrible over there and things aren't moving forward.
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 03, 2007, 09:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Arvarden @ Jan 3 2007, 09:50 AM)
We can call each other stupid, liars etc all day. The difference between me and you is that I respect your opinion.
I never called you a liar. I just don't believe you honestly believe what you said there. I've read your posts before and I know you're not stupid, so I couldn't figure out why you said such a thing. I respect your right to express your opinions, but a discussion is where I disagree and attempt to interject something more accurate. My "opinion" as you stressed is based on logic and facts. If there is a flaw in the logic or fact, feel free to bring it forward as that is what a discussion is about.