Post by: Textbook on September 04, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Micrcosoft about modchips for Xbox 360
>> Gamasutra.com posted an article about what they learned from Xbox 360 presentation at the GDC Europe 2005 in London, most of which has been covered in our previous news items, but in their conclusion they have something very interesting. Andre Vrignaud, Director of Technical Strategy for Xbox Live, referred to modchips for Xbox360:
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More interestingly, a question from an audience member on the security for Xbox 360 in terms of 'mod chips' and other devices that modify for imported/illegal content prompted a reply that MS took 2 and a half years on security this time round, whereas the Xbox only had around a year. Vrignaud prompted: "Never say never", but he thinks it's going to be a long time before the Xbox 360 gets modded.
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What are your thoughts on this?
Post by: Carlo210 on September 04, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: Textbook on September 04, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on September 04, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
1. MS spent more time making there be more security.
2. MS knows how people modded the first Xbox, therefore modding the Xbox 360 might require different techniques.
3. Possibility of active Xbox Live checks.
Post by: VariableElite on September 04, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
In response to Carlo's 3 points:
1. The tighter the security, the more likely a 3rd party dev will "accidentally" leave something in to make his job easier.
2. Every console that has ever been modded has required a different technique than the ones before it. What's your point?
3. No chance. I'm going to have at least 2 360s in my house, and one of them is going to be nowhere near an ethernet jack, and probably never will be.
Regardless, why are we discussing this now? The system isn't even out yet; let's not get into premature debates over how long it'll take to crack it.
Post by: Slikmastah on September 06, 2005, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: exzapel on September 10, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: advanitr on September 11, 2005, 07:26:00 PM
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If you build it they will come....
Yeah sure its goign to be tough to crack hack mod slice and dice but as always, its only a matter of time. And ... theres alot on intrest in modding the next gen console
I've been waiting a long time for a console to take my breath away yeah sure a PC has some Sweet FX but peosonaly thats not where its at the 360 for me will be a dream come true.I wont be modding it..maybe thers somthing ive missed but With all the fan-dangle things u can do with it..the only reason to mod it would be to pirate games.. i mean come on people support the devs ... i bet one day u wished u made games for a living..and imagin how u would feel when someone steels your livlyhood.
Think out of the box. (no pun intended ) beerchug.gif
Yeah sure its goign to be tough to crack hack mod slice and dice but as always, its only a matter of time. And ... theres alot on intrest in modding the next gen console
I've been waiting a long time for a console to take my breath away yeah sure a PC has some Sweet FX but peosonaly thats not where its at the 360 for me will be a dream come true.I wont be modding it..maybe thers somthing ive missed but With all the fan-dangle things u can do with it..the only reason to mod it would be to pirate games.. i mean come on people support the devs ... i bet one day u wished u made games for a living..and imagin how u would feel when someone steels your livlyhood.
Think out of the box. (no pun intended ) beerchug.gif
Post by: sting369 on September 12, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
HA! I
MS. 
Post by: Much on September 12, 2005, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: gazeddy on September 13, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: gamerguy999 on October 22, 2005, 07:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Sidewinder007z @ Oct 22 2005, 02:27 PM)
I found something pretty curious in a news article the other day.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: psyko_chewbacca on October 23, 2005, 01:52:00 PM
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For what I think, the Xbox 360 will be like the GameCube. With the presence of Media center incorporated with the 360, I think it will be easy to find an exploit and stream DATA to your Xbox from your Computer (using Media Center XP of course). From what I've watched and read, Media center is really taking a big part in the functionning of the xbox 360, MS tells that you will be able to do incredible things with your xbox 360 hooked up to your Computer so I won't be surprised to see an exploit using that theory. Unlike the Gamecube... we will have 100Mbps enabled to stream data to it!!!
It's only a matter of time but I sincerly think this will be the first way to exploit the 360. I think form what M$ learned, it will take lots of time before we actually see a modchip...
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: ekoostick on November 01, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
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Maybe I am looking through it through a strictly non-gamers eyes but doesn't being able to mod an xbox mean more profit. Being some what tech savy but never much into console gaming, I would have never ever picked up an xbox. Some of my friends waited hours for one on the first day and I tried Halo that day and wasn't very impressed (still am not). Jump ahead to a year and a half ago and I catch something on TV about being able to mod these buggers and something called Xbox Media Centre. I start investigating and find that there is a whole slew of things you can do with a modded xbox. I went out the first day they went down to 150$ and picked one up and ordered a chip the next day. Having never soldered before I was able to mod and have the thing running in about 3 hours.
Now I have modded over 30 of these for friends and family all of who did not own an xbox before hand. Still to date the hardest one for me to mod is the v1.0 because the little holes are filled with solder. From 1.2-1.6 those holes were left open and only the littlest element was changed (usually making it easier to mod). I feel like the only reason that xbox has done so well in the past year or so is because of this fact. Why wouldn't they want to keep that momentum with the next gen? I realize it takes away from sales of games but when you want to be #1 console manufacuer (a pretty high honor in todays society), does that matter? I am just trying to look at it from a different perspective and say that they will always have a stance against modding but if it is helping sales as it has done, I don't think it will be long before "OOPS we left a blueprint somewhere obvious" and let the scene take over from there. My 2 cents.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: ekoostick on November 01, 2005, 11:29:00 PM
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Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: psyko_chewbacca on October 23, 2005, 01:52:00 PM
It's only a matter of time but I sincerly think this will be the first way to exploit the 360. I think form what M$ learned, it will take lots of time before we actually see a modchip...
Post by: ekoostick on November 01, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
Now I have modded over 30 of these for friends and family all of who did not own an xbox before hand. Still to date the hardest one for me to mod is the v1.0 because the little holes are filled with solder. From 1.2-1.6 those holes were left open and only the littlest element was changed (usually making it easier to mod). I feel like the only reason that xbox has done so well in the past year or so is because of this fact. Why wouldn't they want to keep that momentum with the next gen? I realize it takes away from sales of games but when you want to be #1 console manufacuer (a pretty high honor in todays society), does that matter? I am just trying to look at it from a different perspective and say that they will always have a stance against modding but if it is helping sales as it has done, I don't think it will be long before "OOPS we left a blueprint somewhere obvious" and let the scene take over from there. My 2 cents.
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Post by: ekoostick on November 01, 2005, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE(TheMuffinMan @ Oct 23 2005, 09:49 PM)
Does a Xecuter gen 1 series chip work on an XBOX v1.6(no) that could just mean different versions
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: Textbook on November 01, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
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Post by: Textbook on November 01, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
QUOTE(ekoostick @ Nov 2 2005, 02:36 AM)
Maybe I am looking through it through a strictly non-gamers eyes but doesn't being able to mod an xbox mean more profit. Being some what tech savy but never much into console gaming, I would have never ever picked up an xbox. Some of my friends waited hours for one on the first day and I tried Halo that day and wasn't very impressed (still am not). Jump ahead to a year and a half ago and I catch something on TV about being able to mod these buggers and something called Xbox Media Centre. I start investigating and find that there is a whole slew of things you can do with a modded xbox. I went out the first day they went down to 150$ and picked one up and ordered a chip the next day. Having never soldered before I was able to mod and have the thing running in about 3 hours.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: LightningStruckMyXbox on November 02, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
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The whole reason for a modchip is to replace something we can't go around in the xbox hardware (i.e. the BIOS). So if there is something different with each xbox (i.e. something we can't go around) you just slap that on a modchip and put that in your xbox360. Granted it will take much longer for people to figure out how it works since they did design all of the cricuits themselves. Than means we don't know how data is moved around the system. Xbox was very similar to a PC in it's archetecture the 360 sounds like a whole new beast.
But i'm extreamly confident that there will be a modchip within the first year of the 360. And with price cuts on the unit itself more people will be able to try and mod it for them selves. But I really doubt that an exploit will come before a chip.
BTW: another reason than they loose money off of modded conoles is because M$ makes money off of the dev software and royalities that devs pay. Devs aren't going to pay to put out THEIR content if it has the possibility of being stolen or reverse enginereed so that people can use their code. They want full security so their software is the only software people can have.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: hamwbone on November 03, 2005, 12:46:00 AM
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the 360 still uses dvds =) cant hurt to still use a readily available burnable media
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: AntiAimer on November 04, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
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No matter how long it takes....theres plenty of time after the 360 comes out to mod it. The harder...the better for the "Hackers" who find it. Because with that knowledge.....the way i look at it helps to make more mods then to stop mods. Makeing it "Harder" can be very dangerous, its the cause to evolve.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: AntiAimer on November 04, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: grogger13 on November 04, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
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talking about a modchip now is just to much of a tease, none of us have any facts and we dont even have the console yet. Just take a deep breath and get what you all really came here to see "Hardcore Nudity"- Troy Mcluer
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: Textbook on November 05, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
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Which is exactly true, but I still like the ideas and opinions I am hearing. I am thinking it will be a very short while until the actual workings of the Xbox 360 are found. For both hardware and software. The Electrical Engineer Xbox hackers are going to start looking at the electronic compononents and start looking at what is doing what right from the start. And the software people are going to do some tinkering to figure out how to develop for the console and how to run it. I'm not sure what will be first, but I'm pretty sure a hardmod will have it's advantages over softmods, as MS is most likely talking about softmods when they talk about added security and difficulty of modding the 360.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: skinz-n-bonez on November 10, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
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IMO, not only will the 360 be able to be modded within a year after release, the capabilities of a modded one will be far more advanced than what we were capable of doing to an XBOX. Think about it, a more advance and powerful system will only mean a more advance and powerful mod chip. Just like software developers are now able to manufacture better games with better software engines, so will hackers. MS took note of some of the capabilities of a modded XBOX and have even included it in the 360....from software to hardware....of course, all that will cost us more $$$ though.
Also, the concept of a modded system was not meant for piracy, but for enhanced capabilities. It's the modders who pirates that hurts those of us who just simply want a more powerful system. The first effect of this can be felt in the increase in prices for games. I know some will say that it's all part of inflation, but i disagree.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: vollrathdude on November 12, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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i think itll take quite a while for a modchip to be made mostly because its not that necessary. Has anybody put a mod chip on a computer? no of course not (if you have your retarded and what the fuck were you thinking) Mainly because you dont need it modded anymore. The main reason i got my box modded was for the media center music capabilities and to upgrade the harddrive to hold all my music, but now the 360 is going to come with those features built in, streaming from computer, 20 gb hdd and so on. So in my opinion itll take longer than expected and less people will want to bother putting a chip in.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: bLuR24/7 on November 12, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: aero1 on November 18, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
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Post by: LightningStruckMyXbox on November 02, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
But i'm extreamly confident that there will be a modchip within the first year of the 360. And with price cuts on the unit itself more people will be able to try and mod it for them selves. But I really doubt that an exploit will come before a chip.
BTW: another reason than they loose money off of modded conoles is because M$ makes money off of the dev software and royalities that devs pay. Devs aren't going to pay to put out THEIR content if it has the possibility of being stolen or reverse enginereed so that people can use their code. They want full security so their software is the only software people can have.
Post by: hamwbone on November 03, 2005, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: AntiAimer on November 04, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: AntiAimer on November 04, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: grogger13 on November 04, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Textbook on November 05, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
Post by: skinz-n-bonez on November 10, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
Also, the concept of a modded system was not meant for piracy, but for enhanced capabilities. It's the modders who pirates that hurts those of us who just simply want a more powerful system. The first effect of this can be felt in the increase in prices for games. I know some will say that it's all part of inflation, but i disagree.
Post by: vollrathdude on November 12, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: bLuR24/7 on November 12, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: aero1 on November 18, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
QUOTE(ekoostick @ Nov 2 2005, 07:32 AM)
Maybe I am looking through it through a strictly non-gamers eyes but doesn't being able to mod an xbox mean more profit. Being some what tech savy but never much into console gaming, I would have never ever picked up an xbox. Some of my friends waited hours for one on the first day and I tried Halo that day and wasn't very impressed (still am not). Jump ahead to a year and a half ago and I catch something on TV about being able to mod these buggers and something called Xbox Media Centre. I start investigating and find that there is a whole slew of things you can do with a modded xbox. I went out the first day they went down to 150$ and picked one up and ordered a chip the next day. Having never soldered before I was able to mod and have the thing running in about 3 hours.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: senotajs on November 20, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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Post by: senotajs on November 20, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerguy999 @ Oct 22 2005, 08:07 PM)
Yeah, I remember reading that too. If that is true, there is definantly not going to be a MOD for it that anybody can do, at least for a long time.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: Havok on November 20, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
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Post by: Havok on November 20, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
QUOTE(senotajs @ Nov 21 2005, 01:21 AM)
does anyone know how long it will take to develop a mod for the 360?
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: Zipp425 on November 20, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
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Post by: Zipp425 on November 20, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 20 2005, 05:40 PM)
Yes.... 1 yr, 7 months, 22 days, 3 hours, and 26 seconds....
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: rony2211 on November 22, 2005, 07:20:00 AM
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: StepsAscend on November 22, 2005, 09:53:00 AM
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Why is anyone even asking how long it will take to mod? There's no way to know. Unless we find a disgruntled MS engineer to help the scene, it will take a while. MS added new security features. There's speculation now that the bios are actually embedded inside the CPU. The entire reason MS went all custom on this thing was so they could limit compatibility to their products and embed security deep inside. There's a ton of things they could have done to make it tougher. It's only been out 1 day, we'll see where it goes. Once modders start dumping binaries off the chips and stuff, we'll see what there is to work with. It will happen, just be patient. For now, keep on loving your Xbox, or sell a kidney and buy a 360 and some games.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: big_chips on November 22, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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The XBO 360 WILL BE modded and in a shorter time than the xbox was...
simple facts
1) Xbox scene is the biggest console hacking scene ever. Even if the unit is more difficult or much different than the orig xbox was to mod, there are way more many people working on it and with this web site dedicated to people helping each other accomplish our goals, i don't see it taking the 6 months it took to mod the original xbox. There are just way too many resources and way too much interest in doing this.
2) MS WANTS you to mod the console. All they care is that you don't cheat with it on XBOX live so you don't ruin the XBOX live service for people. Their main selling point was xbox live, that's the biggest difference between sony and ms. Having the capability to mod the unit makes the XBOX all that much more intriguing to the hacking community, and most people who want a modded xbox and want to play xbox live will probably end up buying 2 consoles (some will just find a way to use a switch, but i know a LOT of people with 2 consoles for this purpose). Also, without a modded xbox, who knows, maybe they would have never thought of streaming video and audio to xbox 360. I bet the MS team checks out this web site not mainly for piracy discussion, but more to get ideas and learn from us. They love it!
3) MS does not care about piracy. They've been dealing with piracy forever and still making crazy profits. They only really care about the people who are profiting off of piracy, selling pirated copies of their software and stuff. It doesn't bother them at all if you pirate your version of halo or whatever. The main thing is that if u want to play xbox live, you have to buy the disc anyway. Also, we've seen from the first xbox that MS leaves it up to the software manufacturer to fight the piracy. Every software company found their different little ways to stop you from copying their games, and some just didn't care. Why should MS care. after all, the thought of being able to copy the hell out of all of my games was the reason I bought a console to begin with. Without that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have bought an XBOX. It also is the reason I chose XBOX over PS2.
4) CONSPIRACIES - MS KNOWS that we are gonna mod the box, and they even understand the technology behind it... let me ask you why do they not suspend your xbox live account when they find out you have a modded xbox? they only ban that particular piece of hardware. of course this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact. MS does not care if you mod the box, they just want to make sure you aren't cheating on xbox live, they even say "hey, you modded your box, so it's banned, but you can still play xbox live as long as u purchase another box that you can't cheat with". simple as that. they understand it and accept it. they enjoy it!
so...
DONT WORRY this thing will get modded in no time. If you have any hardware knowledge you should be helping out. I have no idea, so i just sit here and speculate, but I think it is pretty obvious that in short time we will be connecting our 250 gigs to this shit, running linux, designing PS2 emulators, and doing all types of crazy shit that we never thought of before.
PEACE
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: Flagg3 on November 26, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
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The XBO 360 WILL BE modded and in a shorter time than the xbox was...
simple facts
1) Xbox scene is the biggest console hacking scene ever. Even if the unit is more difficult or much different than the orig xbox was to mod, there are way more many people working on it and with this web site dedicated to people helping each other accomplish our goals, i don't see it taking the 6 months it took to mod the original xbox. There are just way too many resources and way too much interest in doing this.
Agreed.
2) MS WANTS you to mod the console. All they care is that you don't cheat with it on XBOX live so you don't ruin the XBOX live service for people. Their main selling point was xbox live, that's the biggest difference between sony and ms. Having the capability to mod the unit makes the XBOX all that much more intriguing to the hacking community, and most people who want a modded xbox and want to play xbox live will probably end up buying 2 consoles (some will just find a way to use a switch, but i know a LOT of people with 2 consoles for this purpose). Also, without a modded xbox, who knows, maybe they would have never thought of streaming video and audio to xbox 360. I bet the MS team checks out this web site not mainly for piracy discussion, but more to get ideas and learn from us. They love it!
Riiiiiiiiiight. MS just loves modders. That's why they changed the original XBOX 7 times, because they wanted us to mod it.
3) MS does not care about piracy. They've been dealing with piracy forever and still making crazy profits. They only really care about the people who are profiting off of piracy, selling pirated copies of their software and stuff. It doesn't bother them at all if you pirate your version of halo or whatever. The main thing is that if u want to play xbox live, you have to buy the disc anyway. Also, we've seen from the first xbox that MS leaves it up to the software manufacturer to fight the piracy. Every software company found their different little ways to stop you from copying their games, and some just didn't care. Why should MS care. after all, the thought of being able to copy the hell out of all of my games was the reason I bought a console to begin with. Without that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have bought an XBOX. It also is the reason I chose XBOX over PS2.
MS does care about piracy. That's why they have started the "MS Genuine Advantage" program. Of course they still make crazy profits despite piracy, the business model is different when you are a software only company with a huge monopoly. When you are losing $150 or more per piece of hardware, and you need to sell software to recover your losses, your a bit more concerned with piracy then if you only sell software which is all profit.
And FYI, MS hates modders of the original Xbox. That's why they wanted to stop selling the original Xbox, so they could stop subsidizing hardware for modders. That's another reason why they will never drop the price below $150, regardless of how low the PS2 price drops. They simply don't want to sell them anymore.
4) CONSPIRACIES - MS KNOWS that we are gonna mod the box, and they even understand the technology behind it... let me ask you why do they not suspend your xbox live account when they find out you have a modded xbox? they only ban that particular piece of hardware. of course this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact. MS does not care if you mod the box, they just want to make sure you aren't cheating on xbox live, they even say "hey, you modded your box, so it's banned, but you can still play xbox live as long as u purchase another box that you can't cheat with". simple as that. they understand it and accept it. they enjoy it!
Umm, no. They don't ban our account because they want to keep you as a customer. What benefit is it to MS to lose a revenue stream and force you to switch to a free alternative such as Kai or XBConnect? They ban the box so you need to purchase the games to play on Xbox Live. They let you keep your account so that you can continue to pay them a subscription fee, which helps build revenue.
DONT WORRY this thing will get modded in no time. If you have any hardware knowledge you should be helping out. I have no idea, so i just sit here and speculate, but I think it is pretty obvious that in short time we will be connecting our 250 gigs to this shit, running linux, designing PS2 emulators, and doing all types of crazy shit that we never thought of before.
I agree it will be modded sooner rather than later, but not because MS wants us to mod it. If there is one simple truth that has been proven time and time again, it's that MS has a history of releasing the sloppiest, most insecure code in the entire world. It's only a matter of time before someone finds a software flaw to exploit...
Flagg
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: orateam on November 26, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
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It will get modded quicker for ONE simple reason.
The hacking community has grown from a hobby to a business.
What was once a spare time hobby for most has now turned into a very profitable business for many. They have increased budgets and time to research for mods and will have one out in a shorter amount of time than you can imagine.
I expect the 360 to be at first modified uniquely. this means that modders will need to mod each Xbox360 indivually. That means they will be able to tack on an extra fee for the xbox 360 they sell you as it's likely that the first modded Xbox 360's will be sold as an entire unit. I can see prices of $800+ for a modded Xbox360.
A chip that we can do ourselves will probably come out at least 6 months afterwards.
Selling a modified Xbox 360 shouldn't be illegal as long as it' modified to not play games without a flash upgrade (which of course can easily be found). I know i would pay $1000 for a modded xbox 360.
I totally expect a modded box to be available just before the PS3 release.
What would you buy? a modded xbox 360 for $1000 or a $599 PS3?
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: tmh88 on November 26, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
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As soon as the first chip/tsop/softmod is released I'm going to buy a 360, and the chip. I dont have one yet, but I'm fine playing my modded xbox for now.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: DarkLabel on November 26, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
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.....I can see prices of $800+ for a modded Xbox360.
A chip that we can do ourselves will probably come out at least 6 months afterwards.
Selling a modified Xbox 360 shouldn't be illegal as long as it' modified to not play games without a flash upgrade (which of course can easily be found). I know i would pay $1000 for a modded xbox 360.
I totally expect a modded box to be available just before the PS3 release.
What would you buy? a modded xbox 360 for $1000 or a $599 PS3?
1st of all doubt the PS3 will cost that much, else Sony will be stabbing themselves.
2nd 1000$ for a modded 360? Thats insane, I would rather keep my Xbox 1 modded. Besides, even if the 360 is modded, it won't be much different from the xbox 1, just more powerful and new games o mod.
I'd rather wait for prices to drop if a mod is hat much...
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: TecHunter on November 26, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
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I think that we will be in for a challange sorta like the PS2 slimline! But that has been defeated also.
And the mods that are produced will have more wiring, not just an LPC install.
Just my 2 cents.
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Title: Ms Guy Says 360 Will Take A Long Time To Mod
Post by: TecHunter on November 26, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
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Also, I can see sony approching engineers from MS right now,
offering them money to leak critical information about the Xbox 360.
Dont worry, it wont be long before we are able to mod (customize)
this new system!
Post by: rony2211 on November 22, 2005, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: StepsAscend on November 22, 2005, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: big_chips on November 22, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
simple facts
1) Xbox scene is the biggest console hacking scene ever. Even if the unit is more difficult or much different than the orig xbox was to mod, there are way more many people working on it and with this web site dedicated to people helping each other accomplish our goals, i don't see it taking the 6 months it took to mod the original xbox. There are just way too many resources and way too much interest in doing this.
2) MS WANTS you to mod the console. All they care is that you don't cheat with it on XBOX live so you don't ruin the XBOX live service for people. Their main selling point was xbox live, that's the biggest difference between sony and ms. Having the capability to mod the unit makes the XBOX all that much more intriguing to the hacking community, and most people who want a modded xbox and want to play xbox live will probably end up buying 2 consoles (some will just find a way to use a switch, but i know a LOT of people with 2 consoles for this purpose). Also, without a modded xbox, who knows, maybe they would have never thought of streaming video and audio to xbox 360. I bet the MS team checks out this web site not mainly for piracy discussion, but more to get ideas and learn from us. They love it!
3) MS does not care about piracy. They've been dealing with piracy forever and still making crazy profits. They only really care about the people who are profiting off of piracy, selling pirated copies of their software and stuff. It doesn't bother them at all if you pirate your version of halo or whatever. The main thing is that if u want to play xbox live, you have to buy the disc anyway. Also, we've seen from the first xbox that MS leaves it up to the software manufacturer to fight the piracy. Every software company found their different little ways to stop you from copying their games, and some just didn't care. Why should MS care. after all, the thought of being able to copy the hell out of all of my games was the reason I bought a console to begin with. Without that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have bought an XBOX. It also is the reason I chose XBOX over PS2.
4) CONSPIRACIES - MS KNOWS that we are gonna mod the box, and they even understand the technology behind it... let me ask you why do they not suspend your xbox live account when they find out you have a modded xbox? they only ban that particular piece of hardware. of course this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact. MS does not care if you mod the box, they just want to make sure you aren't cheating on xbox live, they even say "hey, you modded your box, so it's banned, but you can still play xbox live as long as u purchase another box that you can't cheat with". simple as that. they understand it and accept it. they enjoy it!
so...
DONT WORRY this thing will get modded in no time. If you have any hardware knowledge you should be helping out. I have no idea, so i just sit here and speculate, but I think it is pretty obvious that in short time we will be connecting our 250 gigs to this shit, running linux, designing PS2 emulators, and doing all types of crazy shit that we never thought of before.
PEACE
Post by: Flagg3 on November 26, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
QUOTE(big_chips @ Nov 22 2005, 01:58 PM) 
The XBO 360 WILL BE modded and in a shorter time than the xbox was...
simple facts
1) Xbox scene is the biggest console hacking scene ever. Even if the unit is more difficult or much different than the orig xbox was to mod, there are way more many people working on it and with this web site dedicated to people helping each other accomplish our goals, i don't see it taking the 6 months it took to mod the original xbox. There are just way too many resources and way too much interest in doing this.
Agreed.
QUOTE(big_chips)
2) MS WANTS you to mod the console. All they care is that you don't cheat with it on XBOX live so you don't ruin the XBOX live service for people. Their main selling point was xbox live, that's the biggest difference between sony and ms. Having the capability to mod the unit makes the XBOX all that much more intriguing to the hacking community, and most people who want a modded xbox and want to play xbox live will probably end up buying 2 consoles (some will just find a way to use a switch, but i know a LOT of people with 2 consoles for this purpose). Also, without a modded xbox, who knows, maybe they would have never thought of streaming video and audio to xbox 360. I bet the MS team checks out this web site not mainly for piracy discussion, but more to get ideas and learn from us. They love it!
Riiiiiiiiiight. MS just loves modders. That's why they changed the original XBOX 7 times, because they wanted us to mod it.
QUOTE(big_chips)
3) MS does not care about piracy. They've been dealing with piracy forever and still making crazy profits. They only really care about the people who are profiting off of piracy, selling pirated copies of their software and stuff. It doesn't bother them at all if you pirate your version of halo or whatever. The main thing is that if u want to play xbox live, you have to buy the disc anyway. Also, we've seen from the first xbox that MS leaves it up to the software manufacturer to fight the piracy. Every software company found their different little ways to stop you from copying their games, and some just didn't care. Why should MS care. after all, the thought of being able to copy the hell out of all of my games was the reason I bought a console to begin with. Without that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have bought an XBOX. It also is the reason I chose XBOX over PS2.
MS does care about piracy. That's why they have started the "MS Genuine Advantage" program. Of course they still make crazy profits despite piracy, the business model is different when you are a software only company with a huge monopoly. When you are losing $150 or more per piece of hardware, and you need to sell software to recover your losses, your a bit more concerned with piracy then if you only sell software which is all profit.
And FYI, MS hates modders of the original Xbox. That's why they wanted to stop selling the original Xbox, so they could stop subsidizing hardware for modders. That's another reason why they will never drop the price below $150, regardless of how low the PS2 price drops. They simply don't want to sell them anymore.
QUOTE(big_chips)
4) CONSPIRACIES - MS KNOWS that we are gonna mod the box, and they even understand the technology behind it... let me ask you why do they not suspend your xbox live account when they find out you have a modded xbox? they only ban that particular piece of hardware. of course this isn't a conspiracy, it's just a fact. MS does not care if you mod the box, they just want to make sure you aren't cheating on xbox live, they even say "hey, you modded your box, so it's banned, but you can still play xbox live as long as u purchase another box that you can't cheat with". simple as that. they understand it and accept it. they enjoy it!
Umm, no. They don't ban our account because they want to keep you as a customer. What benefit is it to MS to lose a revenue stream and force you to switch to a free alternative such as Kai or XBConnect? They ban the box so you need to purchase the games to play on Xbox Live. They let you keep your account so that you can continue to pay them a subscription fee, which helps build revenue.
QUOTE(big_chips)
DONT WORRY this thing will get modded in no time. If you have any hardware knowledge you should be helping out. I have no idea, so i just sit here and speculate, but I think it is pretty obvious that in short time we will be connecting our 250 gigs to this shit, running linux, designing PS2 emulators, and doing all types of crazy shit that we never thought of before.
I agree it will be modded sooner rather than later, but not because MS wants us to mod it. If there is one simple truth that has been proven time and time again, it's that MS has a history of releasing the sloppiest, most insecure code in the entire world. It's only a matter of time before someone finds a software flaw to exploit...
Flagg
Post by: orateam on November 26, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
The hacking community has grown from a hobby to a business.
What was once a spare time hobby for most has now turned into a very profitable business for many. They have increased budgets and time to research for mods and will have one out in a shorter amount of time than you can imagine.
I expect the 360 to be at first modified uniquely. this means that modders will need to mod each Xbox360 indivually. That means they will be able to tack on an extra fee for the xbox 360 they sell you as it's likely that the first modded Xbox 360's will be sold as an entire unit. I can see prices of $800+ for a modded Xbox360.
A chip that we can do ourselves will probably come out at least 6 months afterwards.
Selling a modified Xbox 360 shouldn't be illegal as long as it' modified to not play games without a flash upgrade (which of course can easily be found). I know i would pay $1000 for a modded xbox 360.
I totally expect a modded box to be available just before the PS3 release.
What would you buy? a modded xbox 360 for $1000 or a $599 PS3?
Post by: tmh88 on November 26, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: DarkLabel on November 26, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(orateam @ Nov 26 2005, 06:30 PM)
.....I can see prices of $800+ for a modded Xbox360.
A chip that we can do ourselves will probably come out at least 6 months afterwards.
Selling a modified Xbox 360 shouldn't be illegal as long as it' modified to not play games without a flash upgrade (which of course can easily be found). I know i would pay $1000 for a modded xbox 360.
I totally expect a modded box to be available just before the PS3 release.
What would you buy? a modded xbox 360 for $1000 or a $599 PS3?
1st of all doubt the PS3 will cost that much, else Sony will be stabbing themselves.
2nd 1000$ for a modded 360? Thats insane, I would rather keep my Xbox 1 modded. Besides, even if the 360 is modded, it won't be much different from the xbox 1, just more powerful and new games o mod.
I'd rather wait for prices to drop if a mod is hat much...
Post by: TecHunter on November 26, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
And the mods that are produced will have more wiring, not just an LPC install.
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: TecHunter on November 26, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
offering them money to leak critical information about the Xbox 360.
Dont worry, it wont be long before we are able to mod (customize)
this new system!