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Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on September 28, 2005, 04:30:00 PM

Who would you people say is the most overrated in any sport?

I would say
soccer: David Beckham
Basketball: Allen Huston or Vince Carter
Football: Eli Manning, Ricky Williams
Hockey: Ed Belfor, Danny Healtley
Baseball: Barry Bonds, Curt Shilling, David Wells, Jason Gaimbi, David Ortiz (he's a DH how hard is that!!)
Over all: Tiger Woods, (Roger Feder (spelling), Andy Roddick (it's F'ing tennis)

As for underrated

Soccer: Therry Henry, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Ranaldo (Man U), Del Piero (Italy)
Basketball: Kevin Garnett, Jalen Rose, Richard Hamilton and Tim Duncan
Football: Carnell (Cadilic) Williams, Antanio Gates, Tolimson (spelling)
Hockey: Kris Draper, Simon Gagne, Steve Yzerman, Andrew Cassels
Baseball: Orlando Hudson, Roy Haliday, Dontrelle Willis
As for the most underrated player it's: Ichro Suzki (1,000+ hits in 4 seasons

) the guy is awsome plus he plays for a not so great team

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on September 28, 2005, 07:30:00 PM

Since I'm not as into every sport the way I am baseball I'm going to restrict this to a baseball only arguement.

Most overated:
Ichiro Suzuki: Let me preface this by saying I think he's a great ball player. Simply not as good as everyone thinks. He's a smart player. A good fielder. And a good baserunner. My gripe is when he has a bat in his hand. You can make every arguement you want about his hit total. That's only part of baseball. Getting on base is where it's at. And because Ichiro expands his strike zone and never draws walks (47 this year to date) he has a horrible on base percentage. (.346).The only times he has a decent OBP is when he bats .340ish, which he's not going to do every year. He also doesnt have decent power. When you compare him to one of your underrated players (Let's say Giambi) his OBP is almost 100 point lower .346 vs. .440. That's simply because even when Giambi isn't hitting he draws walks which puts him on base.

Someones gonna make the note that Safeco hinders offensive numbers. For a home run hitter this is probably true. But as big as the outfield I almost wonder if it's an advantage for a slap hitter like Ichiro.

The point is simply that everyone thinks hes such an amzing hitter when in reality he only hits for average. He doesn't draw walks or hit for power. Theres guys who can do 2 or even all 3 of those.

Now I've got a few comments on some of your players.

Dontrelle: I'm not sure that the D-Train's a secret anymore. I think he gets plenty of credit. I think there's several other pitchers that are more underrated. I think Carpenter just because of his style and demeanor gets snubbed at times. He's just not as easy to like as Dontrelle. Oswalt is another great example. Somehow overshadowed by Clemens and Pettite when he's been pitching very well the last few years.

Halladay: People who don't know Roy don't know baseball and simply shouldn't be allowed opinions. He's the best AL pitcher.... Period.
How bout a guy like Joe Nathan for Min. 2.82 ERA this year. 40 saves. And all we hear is Rivera this, Wickman that, BJ Ryan sucks.

Schilling: As bad as he is this year, and he IS getting a pass, he is a monster big game pitcher. He did it in Arizona and he did it in Boston. clutch performances are worth their weight in gold and I'd rather have the Pettittes and Schills that are better when the game matters most then guys like Mussina who seem to fold under pressure.

Ortiz: David Ortiz could probably play a bad 1st base just like plenty of other players play bad in the field. There's several suspect 1Bs. And plenty of bad outfielders. Boston has other position players for 1st and can therefore use him at DH. Don't say he's overrated simply because Boston doesn't need him in the field. How hard is a DH? Pretty hard I'd say. How many guys have better offensive numbers this year? Or the last 2 years? 3 years? There's so few multitool hitters. So few guys can hit for power and average and draw walks (High OBP). Think about it. Whats the list of truly great hitters? A-Rod. Bonds. Ortiz. Vlad. Pujols. Manny. A Jones if .280 is hitting for average. Texeira (Same deal on average though) When you start making this list bigger you start compromising the power or average numbers. Hey, if I can only list 10 players or so that hit as well as Ortiz can, then how hard is being a DH at his level? Well apparently theres several hundred guys in the league that can't do it and only a handful that could. So I guess pretty hard.

What about some love for some of the younger guys or good guys on bad teams. Hafner, Sizemore, Crawford, Kazmir, King Felix, Cano, Hoffman, The rest of the Indians, King Felix, Reed Johnson, Livan Hernandez, Felix Hernandez, Sheets, Brian Giles, Lugo, The A's pitching staff. Frankly there's so many players that play very well and no one knows or cares that it's sad. Apparently if youre not a flashy superstar for NY, BOS, or STL no one wants to buy your jersey.

Quick Football thoughts.

Cadillac isn't underrated. He's a rookie. Just because a guy has three great games we can't act like he deserves to be put on the same level as Tomlinson, Holmes, Deuce, etc.

Eli.... I think Elis looked really good in his last game. He's still young and QBs take more time to develope then RBs and other positions. No one could expect him to be an all star yet. Plenty of HOF QBs had bad first seasons. Remember, Big Ben winning all those games is a fluke. It's more his team then him. He didn't need to win games, just not lose them with mistakes and turnovers. I think Elis shown remarkable improvement and think in a year or 2 he'll be one of the elite QBs in the game. (On a side note I hope not. I dislike Eli Manning)

Under rated NFL players
QB: Trent Green. My #4 QB in the game after McNabb, Manning, and Brady (No particular order)

RB. Westbrook. If he's not as important or more important then TO I dont know who is. And Ill bet very few think of him when thinkg of the Eagles.

Federer could be the greatest teniis player of all time. I think it's hard to over rate someone that dominant.

This post has been edited by Rylinkus: Sep 29 2005, 02:46 AM

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Spency234 on October 02, 2005, 12:40:00 AM

QUOTE(XBL_SUCKS @ Sep 28 2005, 07:41 PM)

Here I go, with my arguments to this thread (I'll post my thoughts after)

Overrated:

How is Barry Bonds overrated? Because of the steroid scandal? He is the greatest offensive force (in almost any sport) in our time, and I really think he deserves more credit. The media has put *'s beside every one of his numbers and I don't think that is fair.

Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer of all time, and I don't see any argument to back up otherwise.

Same with Federer, as Rylinkus said, could quite possibly be the greatest tennis player of all time. How can anyone like that be overrated?

Underrated:

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan have both been league MVP's. Tim Duncan was the MVP of last years playoffs. Enough said.

Now for my thoughts.
I'm going to stick to just a few sports here.

Overrated

Basketball: Kobe Bryant - THE most selfish player in the league. Sure he is a great talent and can score 30+ every night, but the Jordan comparisons are getting pretty silly.
Hockey: I'm going to have to go with Roberto Luango on this one. He had the best save percentage in the league last year but lets see what happens when they cut those massive pads in half.

Underrated

Basketball: AI. How do you put up a 30.7 Points, 7.9 Assists, and 2.4 Steals per game and not even be considered for MVP?

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on October 02, 2005, 12:24:00 PM

QUOTE(Spency234 @ Oct 2 2005, 01:44 AM)

Here I go, with my arguments to this thread (I'll post my thoughts after)

Overrated:

How is Barry Bonds overrated? Because of the steroid scandal? He is the greatest offensive force (in almost any sport) in our time, and I really think he deserves more credit. The media has put *'s beside every one of his numbers and I don't think that is fair.

Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer of all time, and I don't see any argument to back up otherwise.

Same with Federer, as Rylinkus said, could quite possibly be the greatest tennis player of all time. How can anyone like that be overrated?

Underrated:

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan have both been league MVP's. Tim Duncan was the MVP of last years playoffs. Enough said.
Now for my thoughts.
I'm going to stick to just a few sports here.

Overrated

Basketball: Kobe Bryant - THE most selfish player in the league. Sure he is a great talent and can score 30+ every night, but the Jordan comparisons are getting pretty silly.
Hockey: I'm going to have to go with Roberto Luango on this one. He had the best save percentage in the league last year but lets see what happens when they cut those massive pads in half.

Underrated

Basketball: AI. How do you put up a 30.7 Points, 7.9 Assists, and 2.4 Steals per game and not even be considered for MVP?

Wrong on the Barry Bonds being the greatest Offensive threat, ever hear of Wayne Gretzky? I forgot about Kobe good call Spency. As for the people I mentioned the my Opions and I am sticking to 'em

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: thomes08 on October 02, 2005, 02:07:00 PM

the hockey pads are cut down by 11%....not 50%

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: killerbootsman on October 02, 2005, 03:31:00 PM

OverRated
Ricky Williams
Curt Schilling
Derek Jeter
Nomar Garciaparra
Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter

UnderRated
LaDainian Tomlinson
Brian Giles
Hines Ward
Alge Crumpler
Keith Bullock
Ron Francis
Dirk Nowitzki

This post has been edited by killerbootsman: Oct 2 2005, 10:32 PM

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 02, 2005, 05:59:00 PM

Monster game for Eli..... Overrated still or just developing???
(I still hate him)

Crumpler is definately overlooked. Very good TE.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Spency234 on October 02, 2005, 10:10:00 PM

I realize the pads weren't actually cut down by 50%, his pads just looked much bigger then everybody else's.

Can't argue with Gretzky being the biggest offensive force in sports history, Bonds is up there though.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: throwingks on October 02, 2005, 10:15:00 PM

Bonds was a great offensive threat. That doesnt mean he isnt overrated. I.E. If Ichiro did 'roids he would be a better offensive threat in my opinion. Bonds as a player is overrated. He does not deserve the titles and records he has. Even though he did take 1 from another 'roid mongrel (McGuire).

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: thomes08 on October 03, 2005, 01:10:00 AM

ooo Ron Francis is a really good one!

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: mamajo on October 03, 2005, 11:17:00 AM

QUOTE(thomes08 @ Oct 3 2005, 04:14 AM)

ooo Ron Francis is a really good one!

I hope that is sarcasm.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: thomes08 on October 03, 2005, 12:12:00 PM

i'm a hockey fan and a penguins fan..... that man is (was, he just retired) wayyyyyy underrated. I really meant that that was a good pick for an underrated player

thomes08

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: myronc on October 03, 2005, 11:29:00 PM

Rylinkus, liked your defense of ortiz. it's so hard not to like the guy. you can count the number of times he's picked that team up on several hands.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 04, 2005, 04:49:00 PM

QUOTE(myronc @ Oct 4 2005, 07:33 AM)

Rylinkus, liked your defense of ortiz. it's so hard not to like the guy. you can count the number of times he's picked that team up on several hands.

There's just do few multitool hitters. So few guys can hit for power and average and draw walks. The list is VERY short. I don't like him for MVP this year. I think A-Rod deserves it as he has similar offensive production but also gives NY above average fielding at his position and better baserunning (22? steals). But don't knock Big Papi. He's the most feared hitter in baseball right now. Look at what the Yankees did with him this last weekend. They didn't intentionally walk him, but they certainly didn't pitch to him either. They'd rather walk him on base then let him hit a HR (And this is with Manny behind him in the order)

And that's really my knock on Ichiro. So many people want to put him on par with the best hitters in the game. But the best hitters in the game hit for average, power, AND walk. Ichiro just hits for average. I can find other players with similar averages to Ichiro most years. And guy who are overall better hitters as their other offensive numbers are more impressive. But there's a handful of guys that you can put on the same level as Ortiz. If it were so easy to DH every DH would have 45 homers, a .299 average, and 150ish RBIs.

Add to that Ortiz seeming to be a hell of a nice guy. How can you not like him?

This post has been edited by Rylinkus: Oct 4 2005, 11:51 PM

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Andy51 on October 04, 2005, 09:21:00 PM

Hockey

Sidney Crobsy is so overrated, geez people he hasn't even played a Hockey game yet that counts...

Underrated- Miikka Kiprusoff (Why do everyone ignores him? Hes amazing)

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: lordvader129 on October 05, 2005, 08:59:00 AM

QUOTE(killerbootsman @ Oct 2 2005, 05:35 PM)

OverRated

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 06, 2005, 02:23:00 AM

QUOTE(XBL_SUCKS @ Sep 28 2005, 05:41 PM)

Who would you people say is the most overrated in any sport?

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 04:30:00 PM

QUOTE(deliverymanxas @ Oct 6 2005, 10:34 AM)

My most overrated is Derek Jeter...Jeter is the posterboy on how to be a ballhog.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: guitarfrk on October 06, 2005, 05:20:00 PM

QUOTE

My most overrated is Derek Jeter...Jeter is the posterboy on how to be a ballhog.

ok ...like said before ...cant really be a ball hog in baseball...its not like hes telling them to hit it to him...

QUOTE

David Ortiz (he's a DH how hard is that!!)

this just plain pisses me off...are you serious...firstly ..u ever heard of david dellucci???plays for texas rangers??yah hes my 1st cousin and i can promise u from seein what he gos through pesonally....no way its easyy...o yeah and id like to see u go out and hit 28 effin hr's against 90mph fastballs...not to mention pitchers like wakefield with his knuckle and so on...so dont even JOKE about it being easy..ok maybe when u go get a WS ring and an AL championship ring...yah THEN and ONLY THEN can u say its easy

sry....that just really pisses me off

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: lordvader129 on October 06, 2005, 08:20:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 6 2005, 06:41 PM)

I want to chime in a few things about Jeter. First, you cant be a ball hog in baseball. If he touches the ball more then other guys that means what? The ball gets hit to him more? I'll say this about him. If I were trying to teach my son the proper way to play baseball he's one of the guys I'd point to. Because I NEVER look at him and think he's not giving it everything he has. And there's far too many guys that you swear just made the same play the night before but can't seem to this night. Somehow they just don't seem to run as fast. *cough* Manny *cough* In watching the playoff games my gf who knows next to nothing about baseball made a comment the other night that suprised me. She noted that on ground outs Jeter always seems to end up making it a much closer play then other guys. And he's certainly not the fastest guy in the playoffs. It's very simple. He runs hard on everything.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 08:23:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 7 2005, 04:31 AM)

eh, you can be a good player and still be overrated, i mean people act like hes the only player on the yankees

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 06, 2005, 10:54:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 6 2005, 09:34 PM)

Riveras the best player on the Yankees. Then Arod.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 02:20:00 PM

QUOTE(deliverymanxas @ Oct 7 2005, 07:05 AM)

Miguel Tejada? Come on...I think Tejada is better than Jeter. Not because he posts better numbers...because he does. But also because pitchers are more afraid to pitch to Tejada than to Jeter for power reasons.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 03:44:00 PM

QUOTE(robgue @ Oct 7 2005, 11:48 PM)

im with rylinkus on this. i dont think he's overated. the guy is clutch and a selfless player that will lay down a bunt or jump into the stands for a foul ball. rylinkus im glad someone outside of houston or an astros fan is picking up on oswalt. he's finally getting his due though. so is brad lidge since gagne is out. im not saying gangne isn't also very good but lidge is better.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on October 07, 2005, 04:13:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 7 2005, 03:31 PM)

My guess is your a red sox fan due to the reese comments. Which means you have to dislike Jeter and most likely Rivera and A-Rod. Trust me, I hear all this shit at work. It's all red sox fans so everyone on NY sucks and is overrated and gay, don't forget gay. And the only reason they win games is because of their payroll. Second highest payroll in baseball...... Oh right, Boston. When you're an Indians fan you can bitch about payroll. Not when in Boston.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:26:00 PM

QUOTE(robgue @ Oct 8 2005, 12:06 AM)

very true. (although petite is having a fantastic second half)miller was very good at the time. all i heard about was prior and wood. wood will forever be injured and priour is injured like oswalt was. i thought and still think zambrano the best of the lot though. guess you are a baseball guy...

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:40:00 PM

QUOTE(robgue @ Oct 8 2005, 12:39 AM)

xbl sux - that's a tough one to call. they both have they're strenths and weaknesses. if arod were still a shortstop would you pick him? im thinkng jeter to build a team around cuz i like his make up.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:12:00 PM

QUOTE(robgue @ Oct 8 2005, 01:08 AM)

well the white sox werent getting any respect. that should change now should they hold off boston here for a couple innings. angels or yankees? i think angels in 5. after tonight yankess pitchin drops off

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 08, 2005, 02:27:00 AM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 7 2005, 03:31 PM)

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 08, 2005, 09:10:00 AM

QUOTE(deliverymanxas @ Oct 8 2005, 10:38 AM)

And G.S. can afford all the tallent that is on that team due to loyal fans that pay the high ass ticket prices.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: lordvader129 on October 08, 2005, 10:35:00 AM

fenway may have the highest prices, but its also got the smallest capacity, im not sure what the prices are though so they might make up for that

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 08, 2005, 01:38:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 8 2005, 06:46 PM)

fenway may have the highest prices, but its also got the smallest capacity, im not sure what the prices are though so they might make up for that

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: lordvader129 on October 08, 2005, 01:45:00 PM

ah yes, regional bitching like me with those fair weather fans in chicago

i just know half these people walking around in sox jerseys have a yankees shirt on underneath it

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 08, 2005, 02:31:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 8 2005, 09:56 PM)

ah yes, regional bitching like me with those fair weather fans in chicago

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 10, 2005, 11:57:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 02:49 PM)

Actually Im more just bitching how it's the ballpark Im closet to and it's expensive as all hell. And STILL tickets are a bitch to get because they sell out.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 02:18:00 PM

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 02:20:00 PM

QUOTE(deliverymanxas @ Oct 11 2005, 08:08 AM)

Rylinkus- You may hate on me for this but...oh well.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 12, 2005, 12:49:00 AM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 11 2005, 03:31 PM)

Im in Maine. You find the next closest stadium after Fenway. The Expos are now goe, so that leaves NY teams.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: elborak on October 12, 2005, 11:00:00 AM

QUOTE(deliverymanxas @ Oct 6 2005, 04:34 AM)

Bonds is far from overrated, if anything he is just talked about too much. Steroids this, and steroids that...HAS HE EVER FAILED???

Postseason 1990... postseason 1991... postseason 1992... postseason 1997... postseason 2000...

1990 NLCS: .167
1991 NLCS: .148
1992 NLCS: .261
1997 NLDS: .250
2000 NLDS: .176
2002 NLDS: .294
2002 NLCS: .273
2002 WS : .471
2003 NLDS: .222

Lifetime postseason BA: .245

Yeah, overrated (and overmedicated).

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 02:41:00 PM

QUOTE(elborak @ Oct 12 2005, 07:11 PM)

Postseason 1990... postseason 1991... postseason 1992... postseason 1997... postseason 2000...

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: elborak on October 12, 2005, 04:28:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 12 2005, 04:52 PM)

Just because he sucks in the clutch doesnt mean hes over rated.

When many people refer to him as the "greatest player of all time" and he sucks in the clutch then, yeah, he's overrated. Grossly overrated.

And, as a Pittsburgher, I thought he was overrated 10 years before anyone even mentioned him and steroids together (and before his face grew to twice its original size...).

QUOTE

nothigns been close to proven with him.

Huh? He admits to using steroids! He just claims he didn't know they were steroids. Right...

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 07:41:00 PM

QUOTE(elborak @ Oct 13 2005, 12:39 AM)

When many people refer to him as the "greatest player of all time" and he sucks in the clutch then, yeah, he's overrated. Grossly overrated.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: elborak on October 14, 2005, 03:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 12 2005, 09:52 PM)

Based on what. "leaked" testimony. Do you think Lance Armstrong used steroids? there's more hearsay and conjecture linking him to steroids then Bonds. All that you really have on Bond is someone saying he said he was taking something he thought he was flaxseed oil. I hardly count that as evidence he admitted using steroids.

Bonds admitted using substances supplied to him by someone who now claims they were steroids. Bonds says "I didn't know".

I know of no rational person who thinks Bonds didn't use steroids based on the available evidence. The only debate is whether he was cheating and knew or an idiot and didn't. Having watched Bonds for almost 20 years, I think he knew, but I also think he's an idiot, so anything's possible...

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 14, 2005, 02:57:00 PM

QUOTE(elborak @ Oct 14 2005, 11:33 AM)

Bonds admitted using substances supplied to him by someone who now claims they were steroids. Bonds says "I didn't know".

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on October 14, 2005, 03:23:00 PM

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 14, 2005, 03:58:00 PM

QUOTE(XBL_SUCKS @ Oct 14 2005, 11:34 PM)

I guess we should change this thread to the Barry Bonds bashing thread or in honor of Jose call it "who juiced and who's not"

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: deliverymanxas on October 15, 2005, 03:37:00 PM

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 14 2005, 05:09 PM)

Romo's juiced. Anyone suprised?

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: soupy_31 on October 19, 2005, 08:50:00 AM

alright, im only into hockey talk.

Over rated -
Ed Belfour
Alexander Ovechken
Eric Lindros
Ilya Kovalchuk
ALEXEI YASHIN

Under rated -
Wade Redden (XBL_SUCKS knows why i like him)
Jason Spezza
Paul Kariya
Brian McCabe
Corey Perry

and for the record..

CROSBY IS NOT OVER RATED!! (once again, XBL_SUCKS know why i like crosby aswell)

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
Post by: XBL_SUCKS on October 19, 2005, 12:05:00 PM

QUOTE(soupy_31 @ Oct 19 2005, 10:01 AM)

alright, im only into hockey talk.

Title: Most Overrated And Underrated Players?
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