Post by: Xbox-Scene on May 09, 2007, 02:11:00 PM
| More details about the new video playback features in the Xbox360 Spring 2007 Update have been posted on the Team Xbox Blog (FYI: MS owned blog). A few of the many FAQs Quote
More FAQs: Team Xbox Blog |
Post by: bucko on May 09, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: HamSandwhich on May 09, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: para[android] on May 09, 2007, 01:29:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: Landlocked on May 09, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: Cyberlunacy on May 09, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(HamSandwhich @ May 9 2007, 02:49 PM) 
Funny thing, after the update, I can't stream no videos.
probably have to see if they updated the zune software.
i think its retarded that we have to install the freakin stupid zune software just to stream things to the 360.
what ever happened to windows media connect.
Post by: warlordship on May 09, 2007, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Cyberlunacy @ May 9 2007, 01:10 PM)
probably have to see if they updated the zune software.
i think its retarded that we have to install the freakin stupid zune software just to stream things to the 360.
what ever happened to windows media connect.
Woah, are you saying that the XP MCE is not needed to stream videos to my Xbox 360? I finally got one (Elite, of course), and was worried about how I'd watch videos on it.
Of course, I guess I have my XBMC, even if it's starting to shoke on certain .wmv videos nowadays.
Post by: Cyberlunacy on May 09, 2007, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(warlordship @ May 9 2007, 03:28 PM)
Woah, are you saying that the XP MCE is not needed to stream videos to my Xbox 360? I finally got one (Elite, of course), and was worried about how I'd watch videos on it.
Of course, I guess I have my XBMC, even if it's starting to shoke on certain .wmv videos nowadays.
hell no you dont need MCE you NEVER needed MCE.
google for Windows Media Connect
but you can also go to
www.xbox.xom/pcsetup
this will have you download that stupid Zune software which lets you add music video and pictures to the library, and in turn you can stream them to your 360.
i been streaming HD WMV movies for a while now.
you can use Encode360 to convert just about any video file to WMV which you can stream to your 360
you been able to do this for a long time.
Post by: Plagued on May 09, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(warlordship @ May 9 2007, 09:28 PM)
Woah, are you saying that the XP MCE is not needed to stream videos to my Xbox 360? I finally got one (Elite, of course), and was worried about how I'd watch videos on it.
you've been able to stream videos from 3rd party apps and wmp11, along with pend drives, cd/dvd's for some time now. The change is the addition of some new codecs.
I'll be very interested to see what new converters we'll need to get most of the .TS .MKV etc files as their format is not far from what is needed, so hopefully it won't take ages to convert.
Post by: HamSandwhich on May 09, 2007, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Cyberlunacy @ May 9 2007, 09:10 PM)
probably have to see if they updated the zune software.
i think its retarded that we have to install the freakin stupid zune software just to stream things to the 360.
what ever happened to windows media connect.
I'm using Windows Media Connect, maybe there is a newer one though, as I downloaded it last August/September I think.
Post by: Cyberlunacy on May 09, 2007, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Plagued @ May 9 2007, 03:43 PM)
you've been able to stream videos from 3rd party apps and wmp11, along with pend drives, cd/dvd's for some time now. The change is the addition of some new codecs.
I'll be very interested to see what new converters we'll need to get most of the .TS .MKV etc files as their format is not far from what is needed, so hopefully it won't take ages to convert.
has anyone tried renaming an mkv to a proper h264 file extension to see if it works ?
either way the problem with h264 is that it only support 2 channel audio where as WMV is 5.1
your still better off sound wise to use Encode360 and convert them to WMV files.
Post by: Mr. Me on May 09, 2007, 02:58:00 PM
Anyone know how to get mp4 to show up in the mp11 library. I've got the Combined Community Codec Pack, Realtime Alt, and Quicktime Alt installed and I can play everything, and everything shows up in my Media Center, just no mp4 on media player 11.
Post by: ripcurl on May 09, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(symbols @ May 9 2007, 09:13 PM)
Now the real question... 'will this enable playback of 'scene' releases?' Doesn't sound like it.
no
Post by: billybobz0r on May 09, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: M@verick on May 09, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
Is this correct?
What would be the simple layman steps to convert an Xvid to a format playable with the spring update?
Post by: THDVL on May 09, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(M@verick @ May 9 2007, 04:52 PM)
Sounds like even if we didn't get out of the box Xvid/Divx playback with the new update, its now easier to convert them to a playable format than it was before.
Is this correct?
What would be the simple layman steps to convert an Xvid to a format playable with the spring update?
QUOTE(THDVL @ May 9 2007, 03:25 PM)
Post by: gurry on May 09, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
the old rename and type /mp4 etc isnt working
Post by: pointguard1122 on May 09, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on May 09, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
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3. What exactly does the Xbox 360 support for WMV (VC-1)?
Xbox 360 supports the following for WMV:
· File Extensions: .wmv
· Container: asf
· Video Profiles: WMV7 (WMV1), WMV8 (WMV2), WMV9 (WMV3), VC-1 (WVC1 or WMVA) in simple, main, and advanced up to Level 3
· Video Bitrate: 15 Mbps with resolutions of 1920 x 1080 at 30fps. See question number 6 for more information.
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6. What is the "real" max bit rate, resolution, and frames per second that you support for all the different formats?
Xbox 360 does not specifically block video from playing based on a maximum bit rate, resolution, or frames per second. The maximums listed above for each codec are what we have tested for various video playback sources. Higher rated content will not be blocked, but playback may be less then optimal. Use higher bitrates at your own risk.
Now this I find very interesting. Why are they recommending a bitrate that is bellow half of what VC-1 playback via the HD DVD drive is supposedly capable of? They have added the disclaimer that higher bitrates won't be stopped from playing, but they may be less than optimum?
HD DVDs can have VC-1 encodes at up to 32Mbps and we expect that the software playback of those encodes on the 360 to be absolutely flawless. This possess the question now, is the 360 capable of playing back the video on HD DVD discs at its peak bandwidth? I would like to do some testing with some high bandwidth VC-1 encodes, because if the 360 is infact downgrading HD DVD playback to ensure smooth playback, then we've all had the wool pulled over our eyes.
Post by: cavemonkey50 on May 09, 2007, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: legoalert33 on May 09, 2007, 03:44:00 PM
gj ms
Post by: Dauddy on May 09, 2007, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(THDVL @ May 9 2007, 03:45 PM)
So, lets say I have an H264 file that has a ts extension. If I simply rename the file changing the extension to something the 360 will accept (.mp4, .m4v, mp4v, .mov), will my file play? Doubt it will be that simple, but figured I'd ask anyway.
I wish. The computer won't even read the video files if that is done so even less your Xbox 360. I don't know about this update and videos but before the update I remember I had converted all my videos to .wmv (vlc program) and sometimes some videos gave me no sound & others just cut me off giving me an error. The video streaming is the Xbox 360 flaw. Thats my reason for buying a regular xbox (for xbmc).
Post by: Chigawaa on May 09, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: Darkgamer on May 09, 2007, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: bchmo on May 09, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkgamer @ May 9 2007, 03:56 PM)
I have a question for those using XBMC on the original xbox. Can you play x264 format ? Do they run well ? Is the xbox capable of giving a hd image (720p, 1080i or 1080p) ?
Yes XBMC can play the x264 format however it has to have all the fancy options turned off and the resolution has to be pretty low 480P >. I wish it could play real HD (720p, 1080i, and 1080p) but the fact is that the processor isn't powerful enough in the xbox 1. I have a whole bunch of HD anime in mkv format I've been waiting to play on the 360 and I thought this upate would answer my wishes but so far all my attempts to play x264 have failed except for one or two files. The files that I remuxed to mp4 with reconverted 2 channel aac audio didn't work either. The vids that did work were part of a series of releases of a particular show from the same encoding group, so I'd assume that they used the same encoding and muxing techniques. It's weird that only a few of the episodes worked and the rest didn't. Vids that I've encoded myself haven't worked either and I suspect that it has something to do with what encoding options are used with the x264 codec. However, all the files I've converted to wmv-hd with the VC-1 codec have worked flawlessly, but that should be a given since it IS a Microsoft format. The fact is though, that it's a pain in the ass having to reconvert everything and it saves a lot of time to just remux files to a new container.
Post by: Altima NEO on May 09, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
Ive got Vista now with Media Center and Ive installed codecs+registry hacks so I can play MKV, OGM and all that other good stuff, but the 360 will see the videos + thumbnails but give an error when I try to play it.
cest la vie
Post by: C_Ripper on May 09, 2007, 07:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Altima NEO @ May 10 2007, 12:57 AM)
XBMC has trouble playing x/h264. Even with the recently updated decoder for it. It will start off fine, but then start to crap out and lose sync with the audio.
Ive got Vista now with Media Center and Ive installed codecs+registry hacks so I can play MKV, OGM and all that other good stuff, but the 360 will see the videos + thumbnails but give an error when I try to play it.
cest la vie
I convert all my stuff to x/h264 and play it back in XBMC. I've been doing so for about 3 months now (probably 60 vids) and none of them have had any trouble playing. I love x264 and will continue to stream it to my Xboxes running XBMC.
Post by: cavemonkey50 on May 09, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
QUOTE(fahrenheit @ May 9 2007, 07:04 PM)
Streaming from what? A USB 2.0 device? That wouldn't be any different than the HD DVD drive surely?
No, streaming over a networked PC. Most people only have 802.11G which caps out around 12MBps. Yeah, I know they claim 54MBps, but true transfer speed is more like 12MBps.
Post by: ze_olc on May 09, 2007, 08:04:00 PM
i advice everyone to try handbrake since it seems the best tool to rip a dvd to h.264. quality is great, better than xvid. we should tweak and create our own x360 preset for handbrake... so far i find that 1500 avg bitrate does a good job. target of 1gb is also pretty good.
Post by: OhioSavage on May 09, 2007, 08:38:00 PM
I was wondering if anyone else is seeing this problem, or is there a different way that I need to reestablish the Orb connection?
(btw: pc definately able to support the streaming, been streaming even HD movies through pc over Wireless N to the 360's Wireless G connection for several months without issue)
Post by: TheAgedGamer on May 09, 2007, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: seuden on May 10, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
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18. After the May 2007 update, my 3rd party software doesn't stream videos correctly. Why?
Video navigation was changed in the May 2007 update. 3rd party software that does not support folders through network sharing will not work correctly. You'll have to contact the software developer for support.
Video navigation was changed in the May 2007 update. 3rd party software that does not support folders through network sharing will not work correctly. You'll have to contact the software developer for support.
Get TVersity
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As you may know Microsoft has released today a new firmware update for the Xbox 360 and this broke compatibility with TVersity Media Server(info) (only with videos, audio and images work as before).
We are glad to announce that we already have a patch that fixes this problem and also takes advantage of the new functionality of this spring update, letting you browse your video in a folder hierarchy instead of just a long flat list.
We are glad to announce that we already have a patch that fixes this problem and also takes advantage of the new functionality of this spring update, letting you browse your video in a folder hierarchy instead of just a long flat list.
Post by: KevinSartori on May 10, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(bchmo @ May 10 2007, 12:29 AM)
I have a whole bunch of HD anime in mkv format I've been waiting to play on the 360 and I thought this upate would answer my wishes but so far all my attempts to play x264 have failed except for one or two files. The files that I remuxed to mp4 with reconverted 2 channel aac audio didn't work either. The vids that did work were part of a series of releases of a particular show from the same encoding group, so I'd assume that they used the same encoding and muxing techniques. It's weird that only a few of the episodes worked and the rest didn't. Vids that I've encoded myself haven't worked either and I suspect that it has something to do with what encoding options are used with the x264 codec. However, all the files I've converted to wmv-hd with the VC-1 codec have worked flawlessly, but that should be a given since it IS a Microsoft format. The fact is though, that it's a pain in the ass having to reconvert everything and it saves a lot of time to just remux files to a new container.
Yeah, I'm with you on this. I had hoped that this update would allow me to play some of the H.264 encoded anime I've downloaded. I used SUPER to do a direct stream copy for the video and if the audio was .mp3, I re-encoded to AAC. It never worked for me on any of the four videos. I tried both the .MP4 and .MOV containers. I even tried disabling audio altogether to make sure that wasn't the problem. No luck. The thing that is baffling to me is that the bitrate on these files ranges from .9 to 1.2 Mbps, plus they were all different resolutions from 640x480 to 1280x720. I assume you're right and it has something to do with the settings of the original encode.
But still, it's frustrating. The Xbox 360 definitely has the muscle to play these files. Why add support for a new codec when it's limited in this way? It makes no sense. I mean, I understand them not supporting DivX/XviD, because they want to push Windows Media instead. But what's the point of adding such crippled support for H.264? Microsoft managed to swipe a lot of the best ideas from XBMC, except the main feature: the ability to play anything. They just don't get it.
Post by: tutu on May 10, 2007, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: ssj4android on May 10, 2007, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: TheAgedGamer on May 11, 2007, 01:29:00 AM
http://forums.orb.co...opic.php?t=7189