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Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: jesusphreak on May 09, 2005, 11:26:00 AM

Link

Make sure you check out this link. I posted it at the bottom of the first post. The 360 is a beast!

Whats very interesting is this was originally posted on TeamXbox.com, now the thread has been outright deleted after going 7 pages with even mods discussing in it.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 11:32:00 AM

QUOTE(jesusphreak @ May 9 2005, 09:25 AM)

LOTS of that info is bogus.. tho some is true... reading between the lines it seems that whoever authored the original interpretted data (incorrectly) from other sources.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 11:28:00 AM

haahaha dude you moron you stated in there a 3core 3ghz processor, 1 ghz works on task and another 1ghz works on another task. dude it has THREE CORES,EACH CORE RUNS AT 3GHZ

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 11:30:00 AM

QUOTE

360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture

Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR

Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus

Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels

So that is the specs that they say are final. We'll see.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 11:39:00 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 04:31 PM)

LOTS of that info is bogus.. tho some is true... reading between the lines it seems that whoever authored the original interpretted data (incorrectly) from other sources.

Can you tell us which is true which isn't or aren't you allowed?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 12:08:00 PM

It just doesn't seem quite right. Looks good... but then again, so does Heidi Klum in Victoria's Secret and we all know that's not what comes in the box. I just can't see the 3.2Ghz triple core. I'm SURE that as soon as I say that, it will be the only true piece of info on there, but I'll take my chances and say no. Plus there was a 40Gb HDD in the OurColony shot... I don't think 20Gb is it.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: modman15 on May 09, 2005, 11:34:00 AM

Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM

- 700 MNz DDR

360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD

2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports

5. Support for 4 wireless controllers

6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 11:42:00 AM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 04:38 PM)

I could live with tri core 3.2GHz. If it is less then tri core 3.0GHz I'll be dissapointed. But will all the cool features that are listed there it will rock either way.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 11:42:00 AM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 05:38 PM)

sepeate upgrade mabey?persoanally 48 PIPELINE GRAPHICS CHIP HOLY SHIT theres NO WAY,is that CONFIRMED YET? it was supposed to be in the neighboorhood from24-32

and that edram bandwith is enough to make chinese penis smaller

(no offense its just that the whole american console verses that japs)

This post has been edited by Ballz2TheWallz: May 9 2005, 06:45 PM

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: jesusphreak on May 09, 2005, 12:18:00 PM

Its been cofirmed by several trustable sources on the TeamXbox forums.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 11:43:00 AM

wow,tobad that corexpipes bandwith is only effecting the edram,all the other bandwith is really nothing new. what will edram be used for anyway?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 11:51:00 AM

QUOTE(jesusphreak @ May 9 2005, 04:48 PM)

Its been cofirmed by several trustable sources on the TeamXbox forums.

I'd feel safer is it was confirmed by many trustworthy sources inlcuding MS.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Arius on May 09, 2005, 11:54:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 05:41 PM)

I could live with tri core 3.2GHz. If it is less then tri core 3.0GHz I'll be dissapointed. But will all the cool features that are listed there it will rock either way.

i really dont understand this kind of comments really

When Xbox came out where you one of the people running around saying

"A 733 celeron with 64meg of ram.... hahahahahahahahah thats shite"

End of the day, until its final I wont beleive any of these posts (no offence) but even after its final if it isnt a super quad 17ghz cored multiprosessing megachip Lets just wait and see what it can do before writing its grave.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 11:54:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 05:50 PM)

I'd feel safer is it was confirmed by many trustworthy sources inlcuding MS.

That's funny shit.

Jesusphreak, I'll buy you a beer if all that info is accurate. Not that I don't believe alot of it, but I'm a pessimistic skeptic... the worst kind.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 11:56:00 AM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 04:53 PM)

That's funny shit.

Jesusphreak, I'll buy you a beer if all that info is accurate.

Just curious, how? Paypal the send him £3 for a beer? Or will you just go

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

only question,whys the regular memory bandwith 10gbps lower then the 6800U's?i hope its the bandwith between the ram and cpu because most ive seen to date was like 10GBps on a computer with heavily oc'ed ram and horrible timings

however its horrible for gpu speed

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Arius @ May 9 2005, 04:53 PM)

i really dont understand this kind of comments really

How the feck did you post in between existing posts?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 12:11:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 06:09 PM)

How the feck did you post in between existing posts?

l33t hax0r

xboxscene has the shitiest bugiest forms ive seen,what do you expect,i think they should move to vBulletin

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: prankfurter on May 09, 2005, 12:17:00 PM

wow. if these are indeed true. i have a feeling they are... i will be so fucking happy... i can't wait for it... man this thing is gonna kick ass... hell to be honest if it had 3 2ghz cores i would be happy as a pig in shit... 3 3.2ghz cores man...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 12:19:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 09:34 AM)

haahaha dude you moron you stated in there a 3core 3ghz processor, 1 ghz works on task and another 1ghz works on another task. dude it has THREE CORES,EACH CORE RUNS AT 3GHZ

I can't REALLY tell you what IS correct and what ISN'T... my statement regarding interpretation is highlighted by the post above....

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:13:00 PM

I want the specs to released officially. I have exams starting on 16th may so I won't be able to watch the coverage while I'm revising. Hope the specs are released at MTV.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:22:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 05:18 PM)

I can't REALLY tell you what IS correct and what ISN'T... my statement regarding interpretation is highlighted by the post above....

So tri core 3.0GHz you don't say. I would have liked the 3.2 or 3.5GHz but if that be not told, I'll cope (just).

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 12:24:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 06:18 PM)

I can't REALLY tell you what IS correct and what ISN'T... my statement regarding interpretation is highlighted by the post above....

i was just talking about jesus dude being a n00b thinking 3cores each at 1ghz=3ghz. im sure thats how the cell is measured but not other cpus

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 12:24:00 PM

Just out of pure morbid curiousity, given that the current Mac G5's are larger than a standard ATX case, and use proprietary cooling on their dualcore G5s... how is MS going to fit 3 cores that clock 1000Mhz higher into a box as small as the PS2... and keep it cool at the same time? Seriously. Where is the heat going to dissipate to? I'm not trying to disprove anything on this thread, I just want to know what viable options there are for cooling that setup. Note: Liquid cooling is out. So is electron-cooling.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:30:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 05:23 PM)

How about the processors been made out of super conductors with no resistance that are cooled with liquid nitrogen. I'm sure around 78°K will be cool enough

.

Seriously though I don't know, if M$ has problems imagine how sony are. Hell they will probably add it to the cell's infinite features -it can even fry eggs and cook bacon in the morning for you!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: kingroach on May 09, 2005, 12:25:00 PM

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:26:00 PM

QUOTE(kingroach @ May 9 2005, 05:31 PM)

It would be fun if you can burn xbox360 games with the built in dvd-burner..

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Arius on May 09, 2005, 12:39:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 06:09 PM)

How the feck did you post in between existing posts?

I am special

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: swodie on May 09, 2005, 12:34:00 PM

Everyone please don't get mad at me, but in my opinion it doesn't matter what the specs are. Can anyone tell me anything they did wrong with the first xbox? I can't think of any. So we should be very amazed at what 1000 people can do over a 3 year span.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 12:43:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 06:29 PM)

How about the processors been made out of super conductors with no resistance that are cooled with liquid nitrogen. I'm sure around 78°K will be cool enough

.

Seriously though I don't know, if M$ has problems imagine how sony are. Hell they will probably add it to the cell's infinite features -it can even fry eggs and cook bacon in the morning for you!

hmm reminds me of that kenmore toaster=xbox360 theory

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 12:44:00 PM

QUOTE(swodie @ May 9 2005, 06:40 PM)

Can anyone tell me anything they did wrong with the first xbox? I can't think of any.

No out of the box DVD playback? No FTP support? No MP3 support? Not that a simple modchip didn't fix those things...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:46:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 05:43 PM)

No out of the box DVD playback? No FTP support? No MP3 support? Not that a simple modchip didn't fix those things...

Well compared to the gamecube and especially the ps2 it did have mod chip support.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 12:46:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 06:43 PM)

No out of the box DVD playback? No FTP support? No MP3 support? Not that a simple modchip didn't fix those things...

since when did consoles have ftp support?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 09, 2005, 12:49:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 01:45 PM)

Well compared to the gamecube and especially the ps2 it did have mod chip support.

Are you nuts? The PS2 has just as many modchips as the Xbox and a bunch of fucking drama about the modchip makers.

You should head over to ps2-scene.com in the near future and just utter the letters DMS and watch them have a flame day with you. Head over to ps2nfo.com and if you say HdLoader instead of HDAdvance(they are the same fucking thing) they will ban you. God

Have I told you guys that I don't miss the PS2 scene drama at all? If I want drama I will watch Desperate Housewives

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: swodie on May 09, 2005, 12:43:00 PM

You are right about the dvd playback, but what is FTP support? I would also like to comment on the mp3 playback. My out of the box xbox play burned cds, but it is the only one I have seen that does. Does anyone else have one that plays them?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:51:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ May 9 2005, 05:48 PM)

Are you nuts? The PS2 has just as many modchips as the Xbox! The Gamecube however doesnt.

It is so hard to fit a ps2 modchip though too hard to do for most.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Arius on May 09, 2005, 12:53:00 PM

QUOTE(swodie @ May 9 2005, 06:49 PM)

older samsung drivers usually do

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 12:54:00 PM

FTP support: The ability to send files to the Xbox or visversa via FTP. My modded Xbox does this.
MP3 support: My XBox doesn't read burned discs really well. So the only songs I know of that it plays are WMA files.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 12:50:00 PM

So m_hael when will you be able to talk to us about the specs?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: modman15 on May 09, 2005, 12:59:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 06:53 PM)

Thats why i did the pc dvd drive mod. It plays backups flawleesly. Any backups work on it. U should do it, its very easy.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: whet1134 on May 09, 2005, 01:03:00 PM

QUOTE(modman15 @ May 9 2005, 06:58 PM)

Thats why i did the pc dvd drive mod. It plays backups flawleesly. Any backups work on it. U should do it, its very easy.

Eh, it's not that important right now because I use XBMC to listen to my MP3's. Thanks though.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 01:03:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 06:56 PM)

So m_hael when will you be able to talk to us about the specs?

the 12th,if any are released i guess,if im lucky i might have a beta testing hook up for the 360 but by then official specs would have been released

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 01:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 06:02 PM)

the 12th,if any are released i guess,if im lucky i might have a beta testing hook up for the 360 but by then official specs would have been released

How will you get to have a beta testing of it?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 01:35:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 11:09 AM)

How will you get to have a beta testing of it?

we (developers) don't have BETA kits yet... so...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 01:39:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 12:23 PM)

The case will be air-conditioned.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 01:44:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 9 2005, 06:38 PM)

The case will be air-conditioned.

In what way?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 01:39:00 PM

my bet would be on Sealed Water/fluid cooling with some kind of electronic convection unit..... but what do I know ?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 01:48:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 07:45 PM)

my bet would be on Sealed Water/fluid cooling with some kind of electronic convection unit..... but what do I know ?

yeah i think its gonna be sealed wc unit similar to whats used in G5's

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 01:49:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 06:47 PM)

yeah i think its gonna be sealed wc unit similar to whats used in G5's

Sealed? Oh great. Drop it on the floor from a small height you have a broken xbox 360 and a wet carpet.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 01:56:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 11:48 AM)

Sealed? Oh great. Drop it on the floor from a small height you have a broken xbox 360 and a wet carpet.

you do realise that rubber bounces yeah?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: PhatheadWRX on May 09, 2005, 02:01:00 PM

QUOTE

- Strem media from Windows XP * #

If this is correct, I will be very happy!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 02:01:00 PM

im confused,but if it was a sealed copper system, a drop on the floor wouldnt kill it especially if the sealed unit is inside another case

and i thought the xbox was gonna be a pvr

god if its not im not buying one and sticking to my pc

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 02:12:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 07:00 PM)

im confused,but if it was a sealed copper system, a drop on the floor wouldnt kill it especially if the sealed unit is inside another case

and i thought the xbox was gonna be a pvr

god if its not im not buying one and sticking to my pc

So with all those cases will it be quieter?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 02:38:00 PM

the dreamcast had liqud cooling, noone ever had a leak from that lol, some of the g5s use a liqud radiator style cooling. the g5s run very very hot so in that tiny case im sure it will have more than a few fans in there to keep it from melting since its going to sit in an entertainment center that usually are closed in spaces with no air flow.

im betting there will be warning labels not to put anything onto the 360 and make sure theres x number of inchs for air flow space.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 02:44:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 01:43 PM)

In what way?

I'm sorry, I meant refrigerated. You know those small little refrigerators they have for keeping drinks cool and things like that?

Well, imagine a small refrigerated case that keeps all the inner workings of the X360 cool. It will also have fans inside, liquid cooled CPU's and all that but at the same time it will be refrigerated.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 02:46:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 9 2005, 07:43 PM)

Do you know this or is this something you have thought off?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 02:55:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 02:45 PM)

Do you know this or is this something you have thought off?

I'm sorry, I signed an NDA. I can't reveal anything more at the moment.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 02:57:00 PM

what does NDA stand for.

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 9 2005, 12:54 PM)

I'm sorry, I signed an NDA. I can't reveal anything more at the moment.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 02:57:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 9 2005, 07:54 PM)

I'm sorry, I signed an NDA. I can't reveal anything more at the moment.

Ok thanks anyway

.

So with all this cooling do you think it will be louder then a hairdryer or about the same as the xbox? Surely that won't be withheld, it's just your opinion...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 02:52:00 PM

wedding shirt is full of shit,he has no inside info hes just some little ass
DC didnt have watercooling i know,i just took one apart yesterday its just 2 thernal pads that connect the chips to a aluminum slab

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: mrjkwik on May 09, 2005, 02:57:00 PM

NDA = non disclosure agreement

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 03:06:00 PM

the dc does have liquid cooling, dunno what your talking about.

http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/dreamcast/

unless they changed something i dunno, i member when it was coming out alot of talk about cooling and stuff.. havent opend one though.

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 12:58 PM)

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Post by: BlackAdam on May 09, 2005, 03:00:00 PM

Dreamcast didn't have water cooling... it has a heat-pipe, which was advertised as water cooling, did we learn nothing in 1999?

Ohh and I'm calling Wedding-shirt out on this too... he's full of shit!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 03:08:00 PM

QUOTE(iwannadie @ May 9 2005, 09:05 PM)

the dc does have liquid cooling, dunno what your talking about.

http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/dreamcast/

well uh is there a diagram of how it works?just looked like a flat piece of polished aluminum to me

wedding shirt is just some little ass thinking he will get respect when he claims to be under NDA

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: themadman123 on May 09, 2005, 03:03:00 PM

There is no way he's got any "inside info". If you did sign a NDA you wouldn"t care about it and would tell us. What are they gonna do? Sue you?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 03:11:00 PM

QUOTE(themadman123 @ May 9 2005, 09:09 PM)

There is no way he's got any "inside info". If you did sign a NDA you wouldn"t care about it and would tell us. What are they gonna do? Sue you?

yes....

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 03:12:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 08:10 PM)

yes....

An He'll probably loose his job.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 03:15:00 PM

if anything he prolly works at EB games or something and thinks he has majour insider news from there and his 'beta testing' will happen in the store when they get their shipment and he opens one up to play.

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 01:11 PM)

An He'll probably loose his job.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 03:16:00 PM

QUOTE(iwannadie @ May 9 2005, 08:14 PM)

Can't you trust him. Call me gullable but I believe weddingshirt.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 03:17:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 09:15 PM)

Can't you trust him. Call me gullable but I believe weddingshirt.

mike and m_hael are the ones to be belived,not wedding shirt

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 03:18:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 08:16 PM)

mike and m_hael are the ones to be belived,not wedding shirt

I trust all three.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 03:19:00 PM

people that go around bragging about an nda on beta testing arent people you would trust so no i dont trust anything the guy says.

but if your so trusting go for it.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 09, 2005, 03:21:00 PM

QUOTE(iwannadie @ May 9 2005, 08:18 PM)

people that go around bragging about an nda on beta testing arent people you would trust so no i dont trust anything the guy says.

but if your so trusting go for it.

I will.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: bucko on May 09, 2005, 03:21:00 PM

That 512MB Ram will be nice for Linux

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: BlackAdam on May 09, 2005, 03:19:00 PM

I can smell Yellow Dog Linux on Xbox 360...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: chilin_dude on May 09, 2005, 03:29:00 PM

Wow, if these are true I'm very happy... I never believed 3 3ghz cores because I thought the costs would be too much, but it's looking to be true

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: SkyFire360 on May 09, 2005, 03:36:00 PM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 9 2005, 06:23 PM)

You might want to look up Peltier coolers...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: clif on May 09, 2005, 03:38:00 PM

No matter the specs if there true or not you know that it will be kick ass! even if its not theres nothing that a little modding wont do!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: xbox11334 on May 09, 2005, 03:45:00 PM

does this probably mean tho that xbox live prices will be raised?

or do you guys think it will stay the same?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: clif on May 09, 2005, 03:48:00 PM

QUOTE(SkyFire360 @ May 9 2005, 09:35 PM)

You might want to look up Peltier coolers...

hmm theres another thing.... 1 or 2 of these might do the trick

user posted image

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: ginotech on May 09, 2005, 03:50:00 PM

QUOTE(xbox11334 @ May 9 2005, 09:44 PM)

does this probably mean tho that xbox live prices will be raised?

or do you guys think it will stay the same?

It says that existing XBL accounts will be seamlessly transferred over to Xbox 360 XBL, so that may be a glimmer of hope for the same price. plus, with the free version and weekends of XBL, it appears that MS would be against increasing the price for gold.

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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 03:54:00 PM

QUOTE(clif @ May 9 2005, 09:47 PM)

hmm theres another thing.... 1 or 2 of these might do the trick

user posted image

that would be a aftermarket cooler for like a 500mhz(slot type) chip,those fins are to thick

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Post by: xbox11334 on May 09, 2005, 03:49:00 PM

just wondering, i saw the pic of the next box, but how big is that in real size, like comparing it to another system, would it be as big as the old ps2, or the new ps2?, and is it going to stand up straight like it is in the picture or was it justmounted that way?

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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 03:57:00 PM

this http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_xp120.htm
and this http://www.thermalright.com/product_default.htm
are the best air cooling solutions for overclockers to date, they preform the same the nickle plated one takes 120mm fans and the XP-90C takes 92mm fans(not to hard to fit a 120 on it though)

QUOTE

um,like ps2 it can be flat or verticall like ps2,and is supposed to be about the same size

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Post by: SkyFire360 on May 09, 2005, 04:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 09:56 PM)

I can promise you that neither of these products will be in the next XBox, simply based on the fact that a 92mm fan would never fit into the case, much less a 120mm. Some of these high-end PC heatsinks have a hard time fitting into an ATX case, much less something smaller than Mini-ATX.

Each chip will most likely have a peltier cooler that transfers heat onto its own heatsink; not unlike the XBox's (possible addition of a heat pipe). The heatsinks will be enclosed as part of a ducted fan that will intake from the non-HD side and expel out the rear.

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Post by: mbratton on May 09, 2005, 04:05:00 PM

I imagine that the cooling system will be something like a low-grade peltier setup with all copper heatsinks and heatpipes, but all connected and running around the whole inside of the box (e.g. laptop cooling) with 2 or 3 extremely quiet fans (*crosses fingers*).

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Post by: SkyFire360 on May 09, 2005, 04:20:00 PM

Whoops, messed this post up... anyway...

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz)

um,like ps2 it can be flat or verticall like ps2,and is supposed to be about the same size

Yup, just about. Say the CD drive in http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbox360/xbox360_mtv_snapshot.jpg is 5 inches, given that a cd is 4.75 inches across. On my monitor at 16x12 resolution, the size of the cd drive is roughly 2.5 centimeters. Formula: X cm * 2 = ___ inches (no converstion necessary). So the specs (for this pic) are:

Vertical: 4.9cm * 2 = 9.8 inches, so we'll say 10-10.5 inches to account for inaccuracy
Horizontal: about 1.2cm, so about 2.5 inches across
Depth: unknown, no isometric shots of the box. Certainly less than the vertical though, as the side does not appear to be a square

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Post by: zot23 on May 09, 2005, 04:28:00 PM

QUOTE(SkyFire360 @ May 9 2005, 10:09 PM)

Each chip will most likely have a peltier cooler that transfers heat onto its own heatsink; not unlike the XBox's (possible addition of a heat pipe). The heatsinks will be enclosed as part of a ducted fan that will intake from the non-HD side and expel out the rear.

I would suspect this is the truth as well. Peltier coolers and heatpipes produced en masse for a console type application would be fairly cheap and reliable. Water cooling is a pain in the ass and would likley be too expensive and a potentially a major hazard in case of defects. And normal air cooling just wouldn't provide the ummpphh for cores producing this kind of heat. Plus it looks too small to have large fans attached to it.

I would say something similar to what shuttle does in its SFF PCs is what MS will do for the 360. A cheap peltier cooler connected permenantly to a heat pipe that directs to a heatsink on the back of the case (which then has a fan to pull that heat away quickly.) It wouldn't be any lounder than a PC fan is today, just a smarter way of conducting heat out of the box.

Actually, it might be a lot quieter without the HDD spinning inside the unit. That's really why the Xbox and Tivo type units make so much noise, it's the HDD and not the fans usually.

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Post by: Deftech on May 09, 2005, 04:25:00 PM

surely we could get liquid cooling if the Dreamcast had it 6 years ago. How truly effective it was, I do not know. Cost might not be logical though.

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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 04:25:00 PM

i wouldnt be suprised if this is similar to the technique they will use
http://www20.tomshar...0115/index.html

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Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 04:38:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 9 2005, 02:56 PM)

Ok thanks anyway

.

So with all this cooling do you think it will be louder then a hairdryer or about the same as the xbox? Surely that won't be withheld, it's just your opinion...

I'm just messing around man. I don't know what type of cooling they will have. I was just making a joke about it being refrigerated and air-conditioned because I think some people are getting carried away.

MS has intelligent engineers working on this, do you think some pimple faced virgins that mowed lawns to upgrade their PC have better cooling ideas than the MS engineers?

The problem won't be about the cooling IMHO. The problem for them is not losing so much on each system. They've already been clear about this.

I personally hope they include 3 3.5 GHZ cores, a PPU, 512 MB of RAM, a badass ATI graphics card, a 40 GB HD that is removable and upgradeable, tivo functions as well as all the other cool stuff that has been rumored.

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Post by: Sord_Fish on May 09, 2005, 04:36:00 PM

wow specs look hot!! if theres no in built PVR thats the first thing on my mod list.

What about phase change for cooling if not Wc would be sweet, lots of cool mods to be done.

oh and fingers crossed you don't need a credit card for the new silver xbl.

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Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 09, 2005, 04:38:00 PM

i think the hard drive it to small. talks about being able to download games to the hard drive. i am thinking games will be about double the size of today. so around 4-6gb on most games. with added music there dont leave much room left. the only other thing i think of is the games will be hooked into the live account. so you can delete the game and when you want to play again redownload it. i like the idea about free live. i dont use it much and i hate paying for it. weekends would be fine for me.

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Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

QUOTE(Sord_Fish @ May 9 2005, 02:42 PM)

PVR ?? Power VR ???

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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 09, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 10:45 PM)

PVR ?? Power VR ???

personal video recorder

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Post by: azninvasion on May 09, 2005, 04:58:00 PM

Thinking about 3 3.2ghz processors is kind of hot. But i'm sure its not like those P4 3.2 EE's. They're probably stripped down cores. The stripped down cores would probably require fewer circuits inside the chips and thus reduce the chance of leaking heat. Also a case this small can be effectively cooled using a combination of heatpipes, airflow, and ducting. I'm sure this next xbox will be great. Just wondering what the starting price will be for this much hardware.

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Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 05:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Ballz2TheWallz @ May 9 2005, 02:45 PM)

personal video recorder

I was thinking along those lines however I would have called it a TIVO or a DVR (thats what they are called here)

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Post by: TMG8 on May 09, 2005, 05:11:00 PM

i would have to aggree "Each chip will most likely have a peltier cooler that transfers heat onto its own heatsink" its cheap and with the price it seems to be headed at being as cheap as it can be is what bill wants. Dont you think this time around he would want to make money instead of lose money???

and i just had to post here i did not see any godamn liquid cooling in the dreamcast i hated that machine in teh end, i put my foot through it along with a 20 pound weight numerous times there was nothing but rubber cooling pads stuck to the chips with some metal and other crap...

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Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 09, 2005, 05:14:00 PM

QUOTE(TMG8 @ May 9 2005, 11:10 PM)

i remember thats what it said when it came out. maybe they lied.

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Post by: SkyFire360 on May 09, 2005, 05:26:00 PM

QUOTE(mgamer20o0 @ May 9 2005, 11:13 PM)

i remember thats what it said when it came out. maybe they lied.

They didn't lie per se, but they did stretch the truth. Yes, there was some liquid in the heatsink's pipes. But no, it wasn't circulating. It runs off the theory that cool liquid will sink down to the heatsink. When the processor heats up the liquid, it evaporates and moves up the pipe area surrounded by the heatsink where it disperses the heat energy, condenses back into liquid and runs back down to the cpu. So technically it was liquid cooled, but back then "Heat-Pipes" wasn't exactly a well-known buzzword.

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Post by: 110100100 on May 09, 2005, 05:20:00 PM

But lets wait and see right

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Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 09, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

QUOTE(SkyFire360 @ May 9 2005, 11:25 PM)

yea i know they didnt really lie. most companys bends the truth. ask sony about that one.

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Post by: mikeandbandit on May 09, 2005, 05:32:00 PM

the use a software audio system so they should be able to pump out what ever they want. Personally i just wish it were here already. the games, the functionality, no matter which system we get the real next generation of gaming is here. it has finally become an elevated art form along the lines of film. i dont want to see linear plots any longer, of striaght line level design. i want the sense that in the virtual realm im engaged in, anyrhing, ar anytime could happen.

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Post by: accord 4 me on May 09, 2005, 05:28:00 PM

i'm sure its already been said..but i figure that the front page should be fixed. that screen shot is of half life 2

user posted image

http://www.activewin...es/2005/3.shtml

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Post by: devguy on May 09, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

but at the same time

BTW, how is it goin' Jesusphreak? lol, long time no see...

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Post by: prolifik71 on May 09, 2005, 06:20:00 PM

finally everything comes full circle ... all of these specs are from PLAY magazine ...

user posted image

and here is the original source of the info

http://www.activewin.com/xbox/articles/2005/2.shtml

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Post by: M-K-E! on May 09, 2005, 06:14:00 PM

Ballz2thewallz and everybody else about the dc and watercooling:

there are 2 types of dreamcast cooling methods. the early models have heat pipes. the heat pipes are not a circulating liquid. there's a pad attached to the chips and then there are hollow pipes that run to a radiator that's just behind the fan. the fan also in the first model is made of a metal substance, not the plastic one in the one you took apart.

anyway, the pipes that run from the chips to the radiator are filled with a gas that when the gas get's hot enough, it tuns to a liquid and the heat from the chip pushes the liquid toward the radiator, where the fan cools the liquid down and turns it back into a gas where it flows back to the chip to repeat the process over again. so it is kinda a liquid cooling but not liquid like we think of it today.

and because of the manufacturing costs being high, they switched to just using a heatsink that runs almost half the size of the mobo, with the fan circulating air over top of it to cool it off. both methods are just as usefull and both do the job, so sega stuck with the cheaper metal "slab" over the board.

if you want pic's ill either find some or if i have time ill post pic's of my dc that does have the heatpipes.

*edit* and to stop all the "your full of shit and dont know what your talking about" posts:

heat pipe dc: http://www.dcemulati...eatpipe&start=0

and apparently you already have seen the new dc.

and accord4me, ive never played half life 2, but if that is a scene from the game that's the same scene in the pd:0 screenshot on the main news page.

and if these are the spec's, im not gonna say anything untill i see the other 2 so i can compare them.

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Post by: blackchild1101 on May 09, 2005, 06:18:00 PM

Sounds skeptical. If it's true expect the Xbox 360 to be starting at 500 usd and up

As for the HD, 20 gb is WAAAAY to small. Especialy for PVR functions. Has anyone here recorded a show in HD? Well a hour show can takes up as much as be 2-4 gb of space. 40 should be the min with upgrades of up to 120gb, if not more.

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Post by: iwannadie on May 09, 2005, 06:36:00 PM

im so sick of seeing that same picture of the 360....

but if its really from play then lol, wonder if all the kids that claimed to have ndas and all these super secret sources ever thought what to say when it became obvious they got their 'insider' info from a game mag they happen to get in the mail a little early.

QUOTE(prolifik71 @ May 9 2005, 04:19 PM)

finally everything comes full circle ... all of these specs are from PLAY magazine ...

and here is the original source of the info

http://www.activewin.com/xbox/articles/2005/2.shtml

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:51:00 PM

Yall Know air is considered as a liquid right so the DC is technically liquid cooled...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:45:00 PM

really all things in air and water are fluids...they could have said fluid cooled but idk

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Post by: Heet on May 09, 2005, 06:46:00 PM

air is a gas. Actually a bunch of them.

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Post by: ERROR: Your Xbox Has Died on May 09, 2005, 06:54:00 PM

These new specs are very sexy.......

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:55:00 PM

The specs on the X360 seem true since that one picture on Ourcolony.net has 2 fans...

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Post by: Heet on May 09, 2005, 06:49:00 PM

Yup, now i dont need to spend the 2,000 on a high end pc anymore, im just going to buy a couple of these and a new hdtv.

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Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 06:57:00 PM

What does "9 billion dots per second" mean?

Anyone?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Heet on May 09, 2005, 06:52:00 PM

particles?

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:59:00 PM

IDK what it means

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Post by: m_hael on May 09, 2005, 07:00:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 9 2005, 04:56 PM)

What does "9 billion dots per second" mean?

Anyone?

dot product - its a mathematical operation performed on vectors, see any linear algebra book.... and we all thought you were a programmer

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:54:00 PM

idk how they're goin to cool it tho...it just can't** be water cooled because a xbox is goin to go through a lot more hell than a pc will ever be in

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Post by: Wedding-shirt on May 09, 2005, 07:02:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 9 2005, 06:59 PM)

dot product - its a mathematical operation performed on vectors, see any linear algebra book.... and we all thought you were a programmer

How does that translate into Gflops? In other words, how many Gflops would the CPU have to be capable of in order to do "9 billion dots per second"?

I said I was joking if you read one of my earlier posts.

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Post by: Heet on May 09, 2005, 06:55:00 PM

how many for xbox then? 125M poly/sec so what does that translate to?

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Post by: SkyFire360 on May 09, 2005, 07:04:00 PM

QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ May 10 2005, 12:56 AM)

What does "9 billion dots per second" mean?

Anyone?

Never heard that term applied to graphics before, but I'm guessing it means the fillrate is 9 billion pixels per second. In compariston, the GeForce 6800 Ultra (non-sli) can do http://www.inno3d.com/support/cards_comparison.html.

Mind you we don't know for sure if this figure for the xbox includes fullscreen anti-aliasing. I'm guessing it's 9 billion pixels per second at FSAA of at least 4x at 720p (though resolution really shouldn't matter in terms of fillrate)

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 06:57:00 PM

I'm pretty sure M$ has a lot up their sleve that we wont know about till the 16th i know they're a lot smarter than all of us

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Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 09, 2005, 07:04:00 PM

QUOTE(blackchild1101 @ May 10 2005, 12:24 AM)

HMMMMMMMMMMMM.... A tri-core setup running at 3.2 ghz

Sounds skeptical. If it's true expect the Xbox 360 to be starting at 500 usd and up

40gb is way to small when there is talk about being able to download games off live. after spending a day downloading a game i dont want to have to delete it. all this extra live stuff has to be stored some where. lets hope for ftp so i can use my comp hard drives.

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:07:00 PM

I think M$ will store a lot of stuff on ur PC...that would be the smart thing to do...it would save them a lot of money

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Post by: M-K-E! on May 09, 2005, 07:01:00 PM

that's probably why they said the 20 gig might be included, and the ourcolony showed a 40 gig.

they give you a hdd, big enough to do some stuff, but you almost need to upgrade to be able to do all the "fun" stuff and take full advantage of the xbox. kinda like a demo disk. you can play some games and do some stuff, but it's all limited because you didnt actually buy the upgrade/full game.

one thing i am interested in is, if the hdd's are exchangable, how will they have you get saves and stuff off one hdd and onto the other.

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

i bet the X360 will be a bitch to mod just because of the fact it will have 3 cores

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Post by: mgamer20o0 on May 09, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

QUOTE(M-K-E! @ May 10 2005, 01:07 AM)

memory cards. that could make since. i think storing on home pc's would be great. if thats true ill be buying a couple extra hard drives for the other comps in my house.

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:13:00 PM

Yea it'll be wireless too...so sharing files without the 50 foot ugly cable...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: 110100100 on May 09, 2005, 07:16:00 PM

I hope they still leave a rj45 connector because I for one don't like my data floating around in the air

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Post by: clif on May 09, 2005, 07:17:00 PM

sigh this is going to make me wait like halo 2 did..... wireless controllers from the start....

user posted image

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

Im sure data will have to be encrypted...i wouldn't let my shit out and about like that without havin some kinda protection...and plus people tryin to steal my 10Mb/s connection

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Post by: clif on May 09, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

heh just saw another xbox 360 commercial for the 543 time:)

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:12:00 PM

they might have a gigabit port...which would be fast as hell...u could save games on the pc

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Post by: SpoolinSR20 on May 09, 2005, 07:20:00 PM

where u get that pic clif?

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Post by: jesusphreak on May 09, 2005, 07:59:00 PM

Apparently the price has been leaked as well. I updated the bottom of the thread to add this.

As always, here's the link:

Link

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Post by: joshwaan2k on May 09, 2005, 11:57:00 PM

The ATI GPU will run at 500MHz with 10 MB embedded DRAM (256 GB/s memory bandwidth)

wow 256 GB memory bandwidth, I was reading something once about Anti Analaising that pc games need at least 50 or 60 GB of bandwidth to not have a impact on Framerate with games.

Now I'm not sure if this is right, but the xbox360 with 256 fark lol no impact at all

Also my Radeon 9800 pro has 21 GIG BW lol

I can't wait for the machine

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Post by: Kuky on May 10, 2005, 02:12:00 AM

i ve just picked an empty box and wrote on it : "Xbox 360 savings"

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Post by: Heet on May 10, 2005, 02:19:00 AM

Well it says that ALL games will be HD but im wagering that a lot of the games will have the option to run 720 but the FR will be so bad that we'll all revert to 1080. Im really hoping that most devs take advantage of the hardware but looking at the xbox's history of games, I doubt it.

*just a hunch

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Post by: joshwaan2k on May 10, 2005, 02:32:00 AM

yeah I hope so too, at 720p with AA enabled there should be no jaggies

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Post by: Morien on May 10, 2005, 02:45:00 AM

You know... out of ALL those specs the one thing which really caused a loud smack on the underneath of my desk (

) was the mention of the DVD-Rom being compatible with DVD-R/RW, CD-R/RW and DVD-ROM (DVD+R with bitsetting maybe).
Mmmm. Boy I like them bananas.

The thing that made me think though... wasn't the HDD confirmed to be 40gb with the pictures floating around? Not 20gb...

Oh well, time to set my vcr...

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Post by: joshwaan2k on May 10, 2005, 03:01:00 AM

Also I like to say about the graphics card in the 360 DAMN!!

48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines

Now my Radeon 9800 pro looks and plays great with Half life 2 and Doom 3 with 4x AA enabled.

The ATI Radeon 9800 pro has 8 Pipelines, just think what kind of graphics we would have on a console with 48 lol

I also think the X850 has up to 16 parallel pipelines

I really can't wait

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Post by: echto on May 10, 2005, 03:22:00 AM

Have at it!

user posted image

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Post by: hannu1168 on May 10, 2005, 03:35:00 AM

QUOTE(echto @ May 10 2005, 09:21 AM)

Have at it!

user posted image

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Whaddup up homies. Im keepiin real with my 360"
or
"I have no clue how to use this thing"

Thats what he is saying

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Post by: Enzomatrx on May 10, 2005, 04:17:00 AM

QUOTE(echto @ May 10 2005, 05:21 PM)

Have at it!

user posted image

first thing I thought he was saying when i saw that:

"Where the FUCK are my legs???"

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Post by: TUUK on May 10, 2005, 05:52:00 AM

If those specs are even close to true, M$ must be prepared to lose a fortune like last time. Look at a bottom of the range G5 and it's specs and compare it to this list. Compare the price of it against the projected price of 300 bucks. Very unlikely to get that kind of hardware for that kind of money.

Just my thoughts
TUUK

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Post by: mark_in_2k on May 10, 2005, 06:50:00 AM

QUOTE(TUUK @ May 10 2005, 11:58 AM)

If those specs are even close to true, M$ must be prepared to lose a fortune like last time.

It's very rare that a company will make a lot of $$$ on the console hardware itself. The most profits always come from software sales. For example, Halo 2 sold so many copies that it made Xbox related sales go into profit for the 1st time since the Xbox's release.

Imagine what will happen when Halo 2.5 / 3 gets released for the 360. Sales of both hardware and software will sky rocket.

And let's not forget what company is producing the hardware; Mircrosoft, one of the most profitable companies in the world. It would merely be a tiny blip on the overall sales figures.

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Post by: joshwaan2k on May 10, 2005, 07:01:00 AM

mark_in_2k is right it's pocket change for M$

But yeah TUUK the machines will cost a lot to make and I guess M$ will sell them for half of what it cost to make.

So I'd say about $400 US just guessing, but I reackon that's what it cost

Xbox 1 was 700 AU when it first came out in australia.

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Post by: Xandalus on May 10, 2005, 07:50:00 AM

QUOTE(whet1134 @ May 10 2005, 06:43 AM)

No out of the box DVD playback? No FTP support? No MP3 support? Not that a simple modchip didn't fix those things...

I heard that Sony holds the rights to dvd video technology, hence the hefty price for the playback kit (probably includes a license or something). But I could be wrong.

FTP support? Would be nice, but opens up a few security risks because of what content could be uploaded and to where unless it's restricted enough to make it not fun. How about something simple, like being able to take snapshots ingame, and either host them in a simple http image library accessable via your webbrowser on a lan, or upload them to a usb stick or something? Though in saying that, simply being able to ftp your mp3's onto it would be nice... but I'll be happy with throwing in a dvd-r full of music.

By the way.. everyone's talking about each square inch of each picture released, except the slot at the right end of the front of the console (rectangle with rounded ends)... I initially thought an hdd slot, but that's on the end... is it a cover for the three USB2 slots? Any ideas?
user posted image

Also... Does anyone else find the existing front light too bright when watching videos? I'm definately gonna disconnect the huge light on the new one if it doesn't autodim or anything.

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Post by: whet1134 on May 10, 2005, 09:00:00 AM

QUOTE(Xandalus @ May 10 2005, 01:49 PM)

By the way.. everyone's talking about each square inch of each picture released, except the slot at the right end of the front of the console (rectangle with rounded ends)... I initially thought an hdd slot, but that's on the end... is it a cover for the three USB2 slots? Any ideas?

I just assumed it's a USB cover door. Either that or some kind of expansion slot. Leaning towards USB though.

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Post by: winne on May 10, 2005, 08:58:00 AM

QUOTE(Xandalus @ May 10 2005, 12:49 PM)

Also... Does anyone else find the existing front light too bright when watching videos? I'm definately gonna disconnect the huge light on the new one if it doesn't autodim or anything.

Yes, that would light up my room that I try to keep as black as possible to get a better picture on the projector. Side note: Had to put black-tape over the LED on the subwoofer or the entire room glimmed blue, it was that bright

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: aetius on May 10, 2005, 09:03:00 AM

As far as the GPU memory bandwidth goes, the 256 GB/s is only between the GPU and the EDRAM which is only 10 MB. The interface to the main 512 MB RAM is only 22.4 GB/s.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 10, 2005, 10:33:00 AM

QUOTE(SpoolinSR20 @ May 10 2005, 12:17 AM)

Im sure data will have to be encrypted...i wouldn't let my shit out and about like that without havin some kinda protection...and plus people tryin to steal my 10Mb/s connection

Ha 10mbps. I have Wi-Fi 802.11g and I'm on 125mbps

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Xandalus on May 10, 2005, 10:51:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 11 2005, 04:32 AM)

Ha 10mbps. I have Wi-Fi 802.11g and I'm on 125mbps

Unless "10mbps" is their net connection... which is insanely fast. I thought my 2mbps was fast!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 10, 2005, 11:40:00 AM

QUOTE(Xandalus @ May 10 2005, 08:50 AM)

Unless "10mbps" is their net connection... which is insanely fast. I thought my 2mbps was fast!

well I got 6Mbps here and thats the minimum I CAN have

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 10, 2005, 12:04:00 PM

QUOTE(m_hael @ May 10 2005, 04:39 PM)

well I got 6Mbps here and thats the minimum I CAN have

I can only get 1150kbps internet d/s and 288kbps u/s at the moment but I'm getting 2mbps d/s when it is possible on my line.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: dieselmachine on May 10, 2005, 05:11:00 PM

QUOTE(TUUK @ May 10 2005, 06:58 AM)

I think MS might be in a better position this time, as they already have the xbox supplying revenue, and most importantly, xbox live is bringing in money as a service, not a product, so overhead is pretty minimal (relative to the income, that is). Having xbox live accounts continue over onto the xbox 360 is a way of 'locking in' the gold accounts (where the money is going to come from) immediately, so any money they lose on console expenses can be offset by xbox live subscription fees.

That's my take on the situation at least. With the xbox, they were jumping into a fray as a new contender, and had a lot of ground to overcome. Now, they've established themselves as a legit player, and they've got their foot in the door. It's a whole different ballgame now.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: FlashKick on May 10, 2005, 05:45:00 PM

yeah a 10mbs line is bloody fast!

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: twistedsymphony on May 10, 2005, 06:50:00 PM

Excellent first post dieselmachine

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: bcforn64 on May 10, 2005, 10:16:00 PM

QUOTE(winne @ May 10 2005, 03:04 PM)

QUOTE

Also... Does anyone else find the existing front light too bright when watching videos? I'm definately gonna disconnect the huge light on the new one if it doesn't autodim or anything.

ironic how everyone on here is LED crazy yet when MS officially makes a huge bright light on the font on their console everybody shuns it. This has got to confuse the hell out of MS.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: nova805 on May 10, 2005, 10:23:00 PM

why would it confuse MS? they should know that people will always bitch about somthing

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Post by: shaneuk on May 11, 2005, 04:17:00 AM

im not really into reading all these forums constantly and stuff, i really dont have the time sadly, so please dont flame me.

Ive read the 360 is going to have three G5 cores - 3.0ghz - that would be x3 1.0ghz cores right?

Else where ive read three 3.0ghz cores.. 9ghz right? id love to think that was the case but wouldnt it be a real cooker aswell as a console?

someone please clean this up for me

Shane

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Xandalus on May 11, 2005, 04:53:00 AM

QUOTE(shaneuk @ May 11 2005, 10:23 PM)

I can't remember exactly where I read it, but I remember seeing it was rumoured that it would have three cores around 1ghz each... One for AI, one for Physics, one for Networking.. or whatever tasks you throw at them, or even make them all work on a single task. Sorry I can't throw in a link for ya, but I distinctly remember reading this somewhere.

3ghz processing power is amazing for a games console, so I think 9 is more than a little over the top, I'd feel bad for paying for hardware that'd spend most of its time picking lint out of it's belly button.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: daishi on May 11, 2005, 05:49:00 AM

QUOTE(TMG8 @ May 9 2005, 11:10 PM)

I feel this is closer to the whole picture...
user posted image

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: mksoftware on May 11, 2005, 07:32:00 AM

The hard Drive of the Xbox 360 console will probably be 40 GIG, the hard drive won't be IDE or something like that, you can think of Apple IPod Technology in the Xbox 360, which cannot be bought seperate on the market, this must keep away modders from HDD advantage.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: cyberg4 on May 11, 2005, 07:53:00 AM

QUOTE(Xandalus @ May 11 2005, 03:52 AM)

It's three 3.2 ghz cores in the xbox adding up to 9.6 total. while it doesn't have the same power as a single core 9.6 ghz chip it is still incredibly powerful for today's standards, (i may buy a few just to turn into PCs)

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 11, 2005, 07:54:00 AM

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ May 11 2005, 12:52 PM)

Will that work? If so I'll buy a second.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: txrat on May 11, 2005, 08:15:00 AM

even 3ghz is insane
the current Xbox has 733mhz, and it is awesome
something with (many) time Xbox's power will be AMAZING

the specs might not be all real, but id guess most of them are close...at least most of the "specs" look about right.

we'll all know tomorrow...

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 11, 2005, 08:21:00 AM

Yeah but is sony can pul through with cell then this will be a ps2 of the next gen and therefore not as good as games could be in the next five years.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 11, 2005, 08:37:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 11 2005, 09:27 AM)

Yeah but is sony can pul through with cell then this will be a ps2 of the next gen and therefore not as good as games could be in the next five years.

Thats only if $ony makes their PS3 easy to program for. We already know that the PS3 will be more powerful, but power is worthless unless it is put to good use.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 11, 2005, 08:38:00 AM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ May 11 2005, 01:36 PM)

Thats only if $ony makes their PS3 easy to program for. We already know that the PS3 will be more powerful, but power is worthless unless it is put to good use.

but why would sony put all that money in then make it hard to program for?

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 11, 2005, 08:41:00 AM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 11 2005, 06:37 AM)

but why would sony put all that money in then make it hard to program for?

LMAO - they did it with ps2

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 11, 2005, 08:43:00 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
exactly

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: mikeandbandit on May 11, 2005, 08:59:00 AM

sony's problem is they assume software will be created around their architechture. problem is it take around 5 years to fully understand how the acrhitecture will fully run all/most software. by building hardware around the software, you ensure that the tools developers use now and are very familar with will advance to the next stage and provide them with more options. also as the perfromance scale increases, pegging a systems performance built in a new architecture will become progressively more and more difficult. while some would argue that hardware built for software limits technological advancement, i'd rather have a steady stream rather than a huge leap and then a lag. thats not to say the x2 isnt a far leap, but rather it combines all the neccesary components of game building into a simple. highly streamline package, allowing even novice designers (like me, lol im terrible) to jump in with both feet in the development waters.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: dherman on May 11, 2005, 09:09:00 AM

So, far clarification....

If I have a HDTV that does not support 720p, will the console uprender to 1080i or downrender to 480p, or just not work?

Dave

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 11, 2005, 09:23:00 AM

QUOTE(dherman @ May 11 2005, 10:15 AM)

So, far clarification....

If I have a HDTV that does not support 720p, will the console uprender to 1080i or downrender to 480p, or just not work?

Dave

Well, if it doesnt support 720p, but does support 480p/1080i, then you will, I'm guessing, just choose the options in the "dashboard" just like the current xbox. When was the last time you played a PC game. Most games today are made for 1600x1200 resolutions, but can be played at any resolution between 640x480 - 1600x1200

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: ic3man1999 on May 11, 2005, 12:34:00 PM

Well what ever you think about Sony or their consoles it obviously hasnt mattered that the ps2 isnt so great for developers otherwise it wouldnt have so many games and have made so much money, not that any of you guys have anything to do with developing for the ps2 or ps3 (i would have thought) so really you could only be spouting what you have heard/read elsewhere rather than fact, maybe the ps2 isnt as hard for developers as you think and who the hell knows how the ps3/xbox360 will be!

At the end of the day Sony's mahcine is undoubtedly going to sell by the bucket load and i hope MSs does aswell.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: m_hael on May 11, 2005, 12:57:00 PM

QUOTE(ic3man1999 @ May 11 2005, 10:33 AM)

erm.. hate to tell you this but SEVERAL people in here.. including me, have a lot of experience with NGC,PS2, Xenon & burgeoning experience with ps3

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: mikeandbandit on May 11, 2005, 01:01:00 PM

QUOTE(ic3man1999 @ May 11 2005, 01:33 PM)

the ps2 is difficult to develop for but since it has a 70% market share developers HAVE to put up with it or else go out of business, period, there is no way around it, this generation developers must write game for it or die. again if the ps2 had even a 35% market share globally it would lose, and developers wouldnt make games for it, period. by contrast both xbox and gamecube have about a 15% market share and STILL get titles released on them. if the ps2 were in this situation it would have been abandoned by developers a long time ago

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: miggidy on May 11, 2005, 02:07:00 PM

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ May 11 2005, 02:36 PM)

Thats only if $ony makes their PS3 easy to program for. We already know that the PS3 will be more powerful, but power is worthless unless it is put to good use.

We don't know if the PS3 will be more powerful.
All we know is that it will sport a Cell cpu and Nvidia will provide the gpu.
But even then, we don't know their specs....

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: jaskerzada006 on May 11, 2005, 02:10:00 PM

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We don't know if the PS3 will be more powerful.

According to Moore's Law....it would be.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: cyberg4 on May 11, 2005, 02:58:00 PM

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According to Moore's Law....it (the playstation 2) would be. (more powerful)

You can tell Moore to cram his law up his @$$.

Sony said that the PS2 would deliver Pixar like graphics (wich it obviously didn't) through the amazing "emotion" engine. sony has a hype machine that is pure propaganda, with very little truth dehind it. while the PS3 may be more powerful than an X360 when computing a single operation, the X360 will probably work more effectively in a video gaming situation with many threads of information requireing processing (audio, video, physics, etc).

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ozy on May 11, 2005, 03:00:00 PM

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ May 11 2005, 07:57 PM)

I keep telling myself that but it's looking doubtful with even Ninty having 4 cores for CPU and 2 cores for GPU.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on May 11, 2005, 03:03:00 PM

QUOTE(Ozy @ May 11 2005, 08:59 PM)

I keep telling myself that but it's looking doubtful with even Ninty having 4 cores for CPU and 2 cores for GPU.

my ass nintendo would never fork out for that,there run by investors they can decide that and the way this gen went i dont think there willing to loose money on consoles as much as sony and ms are

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: azninvasion on May 11, 2005, 05:33:00 PM

You know.... With the power of the new xbox, 3x3.2ghz and each having two threads, making 6 threads total. I think it will be possible to use the xbox2 to compute the (rsa, key?) used to encrypte games for the original xbox. And the fact that the xbox 2 will probably be compatible with the original xbox would allow us to sign custom programs with the same key used to sign original xbox programs for them to work on the xbox2. The xbox2 hacking the xbox.. Interesting.

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: Alkane on May 11, 2005, 10:34:00 PM

Does anyone miss the intelligent chatter from xboxhacker? : ((

Title: Xbox 360/live Spec Leak...
Post by: deftonesmx17 on May 12, 2005, 09:36:00 AM

QUOTE(miggidy @ May 11 2005, 03:06 PM)

We don't know if the PS3 will be more powerful.
All we know is that it will sport a Cell cpu and Nvidia will provide the gpu.
But even then, we don't know their specs....

QUOTE(cyberg4 @ May 11 2005, 03:57 PM)

Yeah we kinda do. The CPU in the PS2 vs the CPU in the xbox vs gamecube CPU........the ps2 one was faster/better yet a pain to program for.
The only thing that gave the Gamecube and the xbox a graphical edge was the fact that they had GPU's. If the PS2 had a GPU that wasnt emulated(silly emotion engine) it woult have killed the other two systems.
Now the PS3 will have, once again, the super CPU of the consoles. They will also use a GPU, from Nvidia, thats right the company that made xbox games look so good. $ony likes to push the boundries of technology, but with a cost. The ease of programing. The PS2 is a powerful little bitch, yet is far from having its full potential ever being reached, plus it has no GPU. The PS3 will no doubt be the king of hardware. If we ever see that, through games, is another story.

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