Post by: chedabob on November 24, 2005, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on November 24, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
Now a similar approach could be taken on the xbox 360 (snooping the data busses on startup), but I imagine M$ has learned from their mistakes and this will be more difficult.
Post by: kris5487 on November 24, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Nov 24 2005, 03:16 PM)
wait and see if bunny makes a module for extracting the tsop. then hopefully, itll be cracked, reflashed and people can play backups. easy. in theory.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
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Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(lukecalypso @ Nov 24 2005, 02:44 PM)
Reading the datasheet of the TSOP mounted on the 360 I have noticed a very interesting functionality connected to pin PRE (38 Power On Read Enable), if M$ has used, it allows the automatic reading of the first page of the TSOP during the boot sequence, now if we disconnect that pin it jams the sequence of boot and it could be executeed other code present on an opportunely programmed eeprom... remains to discover what contains in truth this chip, but I am much seen confidente the patch that they already turn and that they sure go to write something...
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: lukecalypso on November 24, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
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Yeah, i am...
i didn't know who bunny was... AMAZING he is a crazy genius !!!
i read some projects on his blog...SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!
i hope he 'd like to hack x360 cause with him it 'll be a joke...
LukeZ
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: ClintiePoo on November 24, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
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Post by: lukecalypso on November 24, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
i didn't know who bunny was... AMAZING he is a crazy genius !!!
i read some projects on his blog...SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!
i hope he 'd like to hack x360 cause with him it 'll be a joke...
LukeZ
Post by: ClintiePoo on November 24, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(lukecalypso @ Nov 24 2005, 03:22 PM)
Yeah, i am...
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: crosseye on November 24, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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well, bad news for you guys, he's already said he has no interest in messing with the 360. Without him, there would have been a hell of a time with the xbox, so it's time for someone else to step up.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: lordvader129 on November 24, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
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Post by: crosseye on November 24, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on November 24, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(crosseye @ Nov 24 2005, 03:51 PM)
well, bad news for you guys, he's already said he has no interest in messing with the 360. Without him, there would have been a hell of a time with the xbox, so it's time for someone else to step up.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: quant1c0n on November 26, 2005, 04:31:00 AM
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I think in the future mod chips for all sorts of devices will be used for many different applications, not just gaming. The more reverse enginering of all products, the better for Technology & the market of products we buy! We live in exciting times,if you look at the last ten years where computers have taken us!! Now the next ten will be computers realy helping us design the code & pcb's & quantum bits will take us to the stars. Even if the 360 is a pain in the ass 2 crack i welcome the challenge, & have many other ideas of mods i want to tackle..................................peace
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: 1nick9 on November 26, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
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i find it funny that everytime something happens xbox wise every1 looks to bunnie, not to say hes not a mad hacker or that but there is other pplz out there. just cuz bunnie isnt doin it doesnt mean that there is no hope
tho it would help 
cheers
ps. wow forum upgrades, cool!
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: modthebox.tk on November 27, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
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I really hope that bunnie will be able to help out in the mod scene for X360. He knows this stuff down to the core. I know plenty of people can do it but it will take more time. Hopefully as vintage guitar said that him not getting the x360 is the only set back hopefully
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: lordvader129 on November 27, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
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And what makes you think he's out? Other than temporarily due to the fact that he couldn't get his hands on one?
http://bunniestudios.com/blog/
hes said several times in his blog he has no intention of hacking 360, its always possible for him to change his mind though, but he seems confident the others in the mod scene are more than enough to replace him, lol
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: dom0012 on November 27, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
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so the code is already inside the 360 to decrypt the data? Basically someone just has to find the code? Isnt it near the processor's?
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: BCfosheezy on November 28, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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His statment: "although Im sure there are elements that would rather that not be the case" means that he is conscious of the eyes that will be watching him that are not looking on in the same respect as us. Bunnie will be fine just as he was last time because all he does is figure out how the system works. He figures out what makes it tick. If you notice with the original xbox there was nowhere that he actually modified the code to make the console do what he wanted. The only thing he did that was illegal was post the tsop contents online. He immediately complied as his intent was not to break the law but merely break the console's security for the sake of doing it. I honestly don't think Bunnie gives a crap about homebrew code, emulators, and especially not stealing games. He's just doing it to see if he can. It's an entirely new situation this time around. We didn't know him last time. There was no pressure and nobody knew he was doing it. He did it and published the information. There's nothing we as a scene can do except make it easy on him and hope he takes the challenge on. When I say make it easy I mean get him the console and leave him the hell alone.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: D33z on December 03, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
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for that matter, even if he does tinker and find it, what makes ppl think that he'll post his findings on the web this time. I agree, I think he does it for his own gratification, not for others to exploit his findings. So, I think that even if he does find it, it won't be a widespread awakening like last time. It will probably show up slowly in third party vendors.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: crystalgeek on December 03, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
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ko im not trying to diss or piss anyone of but you lot make me so f-ing mad. Your all hoping and relying on one man, following and sheeping one mans achievements with something totally different relying on someone else and putting the wieght of the world on his shoulders. leave the guy alone. if you were half the modders you lot think you are. me included, we'd all be brainstorming together and throwing out ideas and reading and learning not going "oh bunnie, bunnie wher for art thou bunnie, come and save our asses because we dont want to try it ourself" all waitng on a save option, letting someone else do all the hard work
all i say is good luck to everyone. were all here for one thing. to mod, hack and learn. so lets start doing that and work as a team. we are more then a match as bunnie says himself.
ok enougth
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: crystalgeek on December 06, 2005, 03:16:00 AM
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ok i agree with crystalgeek here every1 need's 2 help every1 here not all about take take take, moding will only work if we share our findings and results, i cant do anything yet cause i aint got a 360 but i am working on it tho so lets c if we can sus it out.
thank you. I think we are probally one of the biggest scene's in hacking game consoles to date. We have enougth knowledge and ideas between us to make something of this. We need to organise ourselfs more and start working together, im sure most of you read topics and think, if i had a 360 i would do this aswell or why not try this, well tell them. and if you get given an idea from someone then try it, whats the worst that could happen
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: Codename54 on December 07, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
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I know as much as (if not less than) the rest of you do, as I have not touched the hardware myself yet.
Remember he wrote (I have not touched the hardware myself YET.)
Yet is the key word which means he will touch it but it remains to be seen if he shares the information. He may not share the information as bunnie but he'll probably share it as someone else. Regardless, there will be a hack out there because I didnt spend $1000 for my x360 including 8 crappy games. I need vengeance.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: The_Truth on December 11, 2005, 05:30:00 PM
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Bunny will most likely do work on the 360... and when I get ahold of one I'll probably do some investigating of my own... unfortunately, I don't start my electrical engineering courses till january.(it will/would probably take that long to get my hands on one anyhow...) but rest assured, If I do find anything... it will be posted...
off to data sheets!
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: jameswalter on December 12, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
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No one said that bunnie was our only savior and that we would get no where without him. It would just be nice if he were helping on the 360 as he was the first person to dive into the xbox and he has a lot of useful info on how to extract data going across the motherboard. As far as I know no one else ever tried to capture the data from the xbox in the same fashion as he did...the guy is a genius and has balls enough to create custom made PCBs to do that kind of shit. Leave everyone alone that wants his help...they are just saying that he was a genius on the xbox and it would be nice to see him on the 360. There are obviously a lot of people working on the 360 just not into the depth that bunnie did on the xbox yet.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: ensakamoto on December 13, 2005, 05:34:00 AM
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right
im sorry again..im reading now the other forums..sorry this was really stupid from me.
go ahead and talk about your stuff...
ciao
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: flashfreak on December 13, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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I would give you an estimate but i dunno how long the other consoles took, and this one is supposed to have levels of security never seen b4.
It will be longer than usual, just cos they've put a lot more time and effort into stopping us.
Just means we have to push harder
I'd help but im in australia and we don't get em till march (im confirmed a pre-order) and would take mine apart to try and help, but i only have maybe a slightly above standard level of knowledge with electronics, so as much as i wanna help, it wouldn't be worth my effort.
This has gotten very off topic, but its not my fault, im just making it worse!
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: InterestedHacker on December 14, 2005, 02:24:00 AM
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right
im sorry again..im reading now the other forums..sorry this was really stupid from me.
go ahead and talk about your stuff...
ciao
Well,
If you come back at the end of the universe, I think we might have just about cracked the 2048 bit key, BUT, there will have been 5 trillion trillion trillion more models of XBOX since the XBOX 360, I believe the expected model for the end of the universe is due to be called 'XBOX Infinity', and it's possible that MS will ship it already containing Linux, so you may want to hold out for that model?
Seriously, how long is a piece of string? It's impossible to tell when, if at all >.<
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: flbeserk on December 14, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
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wells houldn't someone make a list somewhere of liek the tsop contents or what they hve found and know for sure isn't needed or we don't have to worry about. this could help us all focus on certain areas since we know alot of areas aren't used. liek the whole eeprom thing where you can remove it and the system does everything fine still.
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: jameswalter on December 14, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
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wells houldn't someone make a list somewhere of liek the tsop contents or what they hve found and know for sure isn't needed or we don't have to worry about. this could help us all focus on certain areas since we know alot of areas aren't used. liek the whole eeprom thing where you can remove it and the system does everything fine still.
You mean like Free60?
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: sentinel0 on December 15, 2005, 12:18:00 PM
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can this thread be closed it's way OT any mods around
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: sentinel0 on December 20, 2005, 05:02:00 AM
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This guy removed the TSOP couldn't read the image from it because it was encrypted http://www.darkmoon....x360_photos.htm
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: shorty7 on December 30, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
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Yeah I dont know much about decrypting TSOP's... But I think this kiosk disk is very promising, mabey if we can get some people to start writing some AS that can help grab some xbox info. Mabey there is some exploitable flash that can help us to get info to decrypt the TSOP?
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: monkeychris on December 30, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
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why do you all think its \bout the bloody tsop?
just cus it worked on the xbox 1 after a long bloody while....
i was quite happy flashing my own bios in by a certain someone on the board
the tsop if avaiable on 360 will be well defended cus of the xbox 1 type attacks, so we prob need a different root...
personally i think a firmware change on the dirve would be nice, but prob wont work....
but a module surely that went between the drive and the 360 could tell it everything was fine (with hacked drive firmware) and could boot anything ? wouldnt be to hard, prob could knock somethin up on a PIC if someone did the dvd firmware before hand, but thats def not my field..
prob only a few bits to unlock the drive to read xbox360 booktype, and then module to change dvdr booktype to xbox360 booktype for hypervisor or whoever checks (maybe its bill himself)
poss even do this firmware, maybe hypervisor can check tho, so module could hold a replica of original fireware...
hmmmmmmmmmm
prob could run unsigned tho still... may work for warez kiddies tho (scum of scene)
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: shorty7 on December 31, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
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Because the bios information is on the tsop... "No bios information = No Modchip". SO before you start freaking out about how the tsop isnt what we should be concentrating on... read a little about modding...
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: genecyber on December 31, 2005, 10:31:00 PM
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OK I have not had much time to to more testing with the 360 itself, but did have some success pulling information from the xbox itself.
I was able to get a digital clock action script to work that updates in real time. There is probably much more information available, but am lacking real time peers to debug with.
What is needed now is a way to initialize the xpad for input, that way a dev can have a menu system of sorts with the ability of selecting between multiple tests instead of using 1cdr per test. Imput will also allow amature game developers to make 360 compatable games.
*EDIT*
Wow Can you tell I've been celebrating ;! Happy New Yrs
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Title: Possible Tsop Hole..
Post by: shorty7 on January 02, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
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Thats good to know. I can help out but I dont have a dvd burner, if someone stripped down the disk and gave me the barebone version, because i dont want to transfer 4.2 gigs. I could do some testing of my own. PM me.
Post by: quant1c0n on November 26, 2005, 04:31:00 AM
Post by: 1nick9 on November 26, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
tho it would help cheers
ps. wow forum upgrades, cool!
Post by: modthebox.tk on November 27, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
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Post by: lordvader129 on November 27, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(vintage_guitar @ Nov 27 2005, 12:34 AM) 
And what makes you think he's out? Other than temporarily due to the fact that he couldn't get his hands on one?
http://bunniestudios.com/blog/
hes said several times in his blog he has no intention of hacking 360, its always possible for him to change his mind though, but he seems confident the others in the mod scene are more than enough to replace him, lol
Post by: dom0012 on November 27, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: BCfosheezy on November 28, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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bunnie Says:
November 28th, 2005 at 12:50 pm
As far as I know, I am a free agent with respect to the xbox360, although Im sure there are elements that would rather that not be the case.
And no, I have no access to nor posession of any confidential information on the Xbox360, nor do I desire such informationthat kind of information would be nothing but trouble for me. I know as much as (if not less than) the rest of you do, as I have not touched the hardware myself yet. And, I am quite happy to read about everyones adventures hacking the Xbox360 on the web and in the channels; Ive got a ton of projects going on right now, and some personal issues too (like a pesky, psycho cheatin ex-girlfriend that thinks shes entitled to half my assets and wont leave me aloneshes filed a lawsuit, and its not about hacking, my friends. Its all about greed and pathetic faux-melodrama).
Maybe somebody will satisfy my curiosity about the console before I even get a chance to buy one!
November 28th, 2005 at 12:50 pm
As far as I know, I am a free agent with respect to the xbox360, although Im sure there are elements that would rather that not be the case.
And no, I have no access to nor posession of any confidential information on the Xbox360, nor do I desire such informationthat kind of information would be nothing but trouble for me. I know as much as (if not less than) the rest of you do, as I have not touched the hardware myself yet. And, I am quite happy to read about everyones adventures hacking the Xbox360 on the web and in the channels; Ive got a ton of projects going on right now, and some personal issues too (like a pesky, psycho cheatin ex-girlfriend that thinks shes entitled to half my assets and wont leave me aloneshes filed a lawsuit, and its not about hacking, my friends. Its all about greed and pathetic faux-melodrama).
Maybe somebody will satisfy my curiosity about the console before I even get a chance to buy one!
His statment: "although Im sure there are elements that would rather that not be the case" means that he is conscious of the eyes that will be watching him that are not looking on in the same respect as us. Bunnie will be fine just as he was last time because all he does is figure out how the system works. He figures out what makes it tick. If you notice with the original xbox there was nowhere that he actually modified the code to make the console do what he wanted. The only thing he did that was illegal was post the tsop contents online. He immediately complied as his intent was not to break the law but merely break the console's security for the sake of doing it. I honestly don't think Bunnie gives a crap about homebrew code, emulators, and especially not stealing games. He's just doing it to see if he can. It's an entirely new situation this time around. We didn't know him last time. There was no pressure and nobody knew he was doing it. He did it and published the information. There's nothing we as a scene can do except make it easy on him and hope he takes the challenge on. When I say make it easy I mean get him the console and leave him the hell alone.
Post by: D33z on December 03, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: crystalgeek on December 03, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
all i say is good luck to everyone. were all here for one thing. to mod, hack and learn. so lets start doing that and work as a team. we are more then a match as bunnie says himself.
ok enougth
Post by: crystalgeek on December 06, 2005, 03:16:00 AM
QUOTE(mad4mp3z @ Dec 6 2005, 12:01 AM)
ok i agree with crystalgeek here every1 need's 2 help every1 here not all about take take take, moding will only work if we share our findings and results, i cant do anything yet cause i aint got a 360 but i am working on it tho so lets c if we can sus it out.
thank you. I think we are probally one of the biggest scene's in hacking game consoles to date. We have enougth knowledge and ideas between us to make something of this. We need to organise ourselfs more and start working together, im sure most of you read topics and think, if i had a 360 i would do this aswell or why not try this, well tell them. and if you get given an idea from someone then try it, whats the worst that could happen
Post by: Codename54 on December 07, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
Remember he wrote (I have not touched the hardware myself YET.)
Yet is the key word which means he will touch it but it remains to be seen if he shares the information. He may not share the information as bunnie but he'll probably share it as someone else. Regardless, there will be a hack out there because I didnt spend $1000 for my x360 including 8 crappy games. I need vengeance.
Post by: The_Truth on December 11, 2005, 05:30:00 PM
) but rest assured, If I do find anything... it will be posted... off to data sheets!
Post by: jameswalter on December 12, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: ensakamoto on December 13, 2005, 05:34:00 AM
im sorry again..im reading now the other forums..sorry this was really stupid from me.
go ahead and talk about your stuff...
ciao
Post by: flashfreak on December 13, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
It will be longer than usual, just cos they've put a lot more time and effort into stopping us.
Just means we have to push harder
I'd help but im in australia and we don't get em till march (im confirmed a pre-order) and would take mine apart to try and help, but i only have maybe a slightly above standard level of knowledge with electronics, so as much as i wanna help, it wouldn't be worth my effort.
This has gotten very off topic, but its not my fault, im just making it worse!
Post by: InterestedHacker on December 14, 2005, 02:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ensakamoto @ Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM)
right
im sorry again..im reading now the other forums..sorry this was really stupid from me.
go ahead and talk about your stuff...
ciao
Well,
If you come back at the end of the universe, I think we might have just about cracked the 2048 bit key, BUT, there will have been 5 trillion trillion trillion more models of XBOX since the XBOX 360, I believe the expected model for the end of the universe is due to be called 'XBOX Infinity', and it's possible that MS will ship it already containing Linux, so you may want to hold out for that model?
Seriously, how long is a piece of string? It's impossible to tell when, if at all >.<
Post by: flbeserk on December 14, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: jameswalter on December 14, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(flbeserk @ Dec 14 2005, 04:44 PM)
wells houldn't someone make a list somewhere of liek the tsop contents or what they hve found and know for sure isn't needed or we don't have to worry about. this could help us all focus on certain areas since we know alot of areas aren't used. liek the whole eeprom thing where you can remove it and the system does everything fine still.
You mean like Free60?
Post by: sentinel0 on December 15, 2005, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: sentinel0 on December 20, 2005, 05:02:00 AM
Post by: shorty7 on December 30, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: monkeychris on December 30, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
just cus it worked on the xbox 1 after a long bloody while....
i was quite happy flashing my own bios in by a certain someone on the board
the tsop if avaiable on 360 will be well defended cus of the xbox 1 type attacks, so we prob need a different root...
personally i think a firmware change on the dirve would be nice, but prob wont work....
but a module surely that went between the drive and the 360 could tell it everything was fine (with hacked drive firmware) and could boot anything ? wouldnt be to hard, prob could knock somethin up on a PIC if someone did the dvd firmware before hand, but thats def not my field..
prob only a few bits to unlock the drive to read xbox360 booktype, and then module to change dvdr booktype to xbox360 booktype for hypervisor or whoever checks (maybe its bill himself)
poss even do this firmware, maybe hypervisor can check tho, so module could hold a replica of original fireware...
hmmmmmmmmmm
prob could run unsigned tho still... may work for warez kiddies tho (scum of scene)
Post by: shorty7 on December 31, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
QUOTE
why do you all think its \bout the bloody tsop?
Because the bios information is on the tsop... "No bios information = No Modchip". SO before you start freaking out about how the tsop isnt what we should be concentrating on... read a little about modding...
Post by: genecyber on December 31, 2005, 10:31:00 PM
I was able to get a digital clock action script to work that updates in real time. There is probably much more information available, but am lacking real time peers to debug with.
What is needed now is a way to initialize the xpad for input, that way a dev can have a menu system of sorts with the ability of selecting between multiple tests instead of using 1cdr per test. Imput will also allow amature game developers to make 360 compatable games.
*EDIT*
Wow Can you tell I've been celebrating ;! Happy New Yrs
Post by: shorty7 on January 02, 2006, 12:30:00 PM