Post by: Xbox-Scene on December 08, 2005, 04:51:00 PM
Team PI Coder releases Xbox 360 ISOs and Game Dump Extractor v1.0-- Posted by XanTium on December 8 18:51 EST
The 'PI' group released Xbox 360 game ISOs today. Note that downloading such releases is illegal and you can't do anything with them yet (they will not boot on your Xbox 360). You can find the NFO of one of their releases here[Condemned - nforce.nl].
They also released an open-source tool to extract these releases (basicly it's an 'x360-ISO extractor') so you can check out the files in the image. It will NOT work on original discs as a PC DVD-ROM can't read those. Just like the original Xbox (xdvdfs) the 360 does not use the ISO9660 or UDF filesystem for the content on game DVDs. This tools allows you to extract the files from an image in the 'Xbox 360 DVD file system', it does NOT bypass the protection that prevents you from reading an original Xbox 360 disc on your PC.
From readme/nfo:
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So you've seen all our raw dumps? but what can you use them for?
Nothing in their current form, yet! - But here we go with a nice extractor tool so that you can extract the dumps and check out the files, we even decided to release the source code, so that you can figure out the filesystem and make even nicer tools and clean up our horrible looking code, cause we are lazy and old!
Usage: extract360.exe gamename.360 [wildcard]...
For example: extract360.exe pi-nfsmw.360
Sit back and relax, and enjoy, these xbox360 games are quite large!
And a note to the tech guys: Yes, once you get past the protections and down to the raw bits on the disc, its just the standard xboxdvdfs, however the offset and layer breakpoint are different!
Official Site: n/a, Team PI Coder
Download Game Dump Extractor v1.0: here (incl. source code)
News-Source/Full Nfo: xbins.org
Post by: heinrich on December 08, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: ensaynexotics on December 08, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on December 08, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ensaynexotics @ Dec 8 2005, 07:04 PM) 
are they saying I can get a dump of a game?
youre quick.
Post by: Joergen on December 08, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: yello on December 08, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
maybe..... 
Post by: SharkUW on December 08, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: redwolf on December 08, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
QUOTE(yello @ Dec 9 2005, 02:14 AM)
chip coming soon ?
maybe..... maybe we don't even need one
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 08, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
p.s: anyone has test this iso?
Post by: Lamer123 on December 08, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 08, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Lamer123 @ Dec 9 2005, 01:26 AM)
Did they have to use a dev kit to dump this ??
or maybe xbox 1 dvd-drive with special tools or firmware! it's the same system files
Post by: tomlarose on December 08, 2005, 05:26:00 PM
You get all the breaking news to us before ANYONE!!! WOOHOO X-S!!! What in the world would be in without you?!
This post has been edited by tomlarose: Dec 9 2005, 02:07 AM
Post by: ksteiner on December 08, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: mathers3000 on December 08, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
This post has been edited by mathers3000: Dec 9 2005, 02:14 AM
Post by: ZildjianKX on December 08, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
Now just for a softmod
Post by: Crackmonger on December 08, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
Its great to see that they've shared their code too to help the development.
Post by: shotgunsteve on December 08, 2005, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 08, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: aepuppetmaster on December 08, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: assmonkey on December 08, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: VOlition on December 08, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on December 08, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(aepuppetmaster @ Dec 8 2005, 04:55 PM) 
has anyone actuall got this to work on there own?
Do you mean the ISOs working on an Xbox 360? If so, not going to happen for awhile.
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 08, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
QUOTE(aepuppetmaster @ Dec 9 2005, 01:55 AM)
has anyone actuall got this to work on there own?
No! we still need a kind of mod/softmod
Post by: MGSolidus2 on December 08, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(VOlition @ Dec 9 2005, 02:00 AM)
So does this mean that the 360 is modded. Now we can play *burnt* games right this instant.
No, we cannot.
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 08, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
edit: i figured out my own question...lol...that my dvd rom drive cant read the 360 discs duh! but i now know what this prog is actually used for lol....we've got to find out this file system!
Post by: Joergen on December 08, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: aepuppetmaster on December 08, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 08, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 9 2005, 02:17 AM)
i hope this is allowed to be discussed...as i have visual studio .net 2003 and i could read the source code....but how would i actually run this? for example i have my 360 game in my dvd rom of my computer, and i go to the command prompt and to the folder where xtract360.exe is at.... but then it keeps saying that it cannot find the file...so my question, how do we know which file to look for? how do i correctly run this so i can make my own backups? thanks!
Dude! this tool is not made to do your own dump it a tool to extract the content of the dump (xxxx.360). Currently no public methode is defused to do your own dump
Post by: tomlarose on December 08, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 9 2005, 04:17 AM)
i hope this is allowed to be discussed...as i have visual studio .net 2003 and i could read the source code....but how would i actually run this? for example i have my 360 game in my dvd rom of my computer, and i go to the command prompt and to the folder where xtract360.exe is at.... but then it keeps saying that it cannot find the file...so my question, how do we know which file to look for? how do i correctly run this so i can make my own backups? thanks!
How about you take 27 damn seconds and read the shit posted rather than just skimming over it.
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 08, 2005, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE
How about you take 27 damn seconds and read the shit posted rather than just skimming over it.
dude!....sorry you guys posted too quick....read my edited post! i was typing it while you all were flaming me geez! lol....my bad! everyone makes mistakes!
edit:
QUOTE
no i meant has anyone been able to use this program to rip....i know there is no mod.
see i wasnt the only person to think that at first...
Post by: ZildjianKX on December 08, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Joergen @ Dec 8 2005, 05:19 PM)
No we cant discuss that and the extractor is only for a ".360" iso file that has already been dumped onto your PC HDD.
Umm... why can't it be discussed?
I thought piracy/downloading ISOs or executables that used MS code were the only things frowned upon. Using Visual Studio or getting backups of games you legally own to work should be fine, or getting files extracted.
Post by: generalnewbie on December 08, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XLCPRROXV9LF22L0HU9XMAAFR
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XLCPRROXV9LF22L0HU9XMAAFR
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 08, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
QUOTE
Umm... why can't it be discussed?
I thought piracy/downloading ISOs or executables that used MS code were the only things frowned upon. Using Visual Studio or getting backups of games you legally own to work should be fine, or getting files extracted.
I thought piracy/downloading ISOs or executables that used MS code were the only things frowned upon. Using Visual Studio or getting backups of games you legally own to work should be fine, or getting files extracted.
thats what i thought....now since getting backups of games you already own is "legal talk", i own nfsmw....my question to the PI team would be, "How exactly did you make this ".360"?" how did they back up their game if nothing that we have at the moment works?
Post by: katastrofi on December 08, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: Zipp425 on December 08, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
to bad its still useless at the moment... haha
So how exactly do we use this here extractor?
Post by: Alkane on December 08, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 08, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: XLNC on December 08, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
Can someone please answer that without saying something like the program extracts the 360 iso, we all know this, what we want to know is how they got to read the contents off the disc.
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 08, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
Anyway, great news! I didn't expect this so soon!!
Post by: MANHUNT on December 08, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
Ridge_Racers_JAP_PSP-PARADOX
http://console-news.org/index.php?id=48&rls=9435
Vampire_Chronicle_The_Chaos_Tower_JAP_PSP-PARADOX
http://console-news.org/index.php?id=48&rls=9436
Wipeout_Pure_USA_PSP-PARADOX
http://console-news.org/index.php?id=48&rls=9437
QUOTE(Above Original PARADOX Releases)
Of course you can't play this game yet, and you won't be
playing it anytime soon on a burnt umd disc (as sony has
already said they wont be releasing burners for these).
However maybe it will give you an idea of what PSP games are
like, and just what is hidden on those little discs
Hopefully it will give psp developers a chance to look into
the files etc used on a UMD. Knowing what files are present and
where in the filepath they can be found may help with loading
of 'driver' files etc from disc.
(Hint: UMDs use an iso9660 based filesystem, so this image file
can be opened in any iso image browser such as isobuster to
look at, extract and generally play with the files within.
It could also be burnt to a dvd to let u access the files on
your computer such as in windows explorer)
playing it anytime soon on a burnt umd disc (as sony has
already said they wont be releasing burners for these).
However maybe it will give you an idea of what PSP games are
like, and just what is hidden on those little discs
Hopefully it will give psp developers a chance to look into
the files etc used on a UMD. Knowing what files are present and
where in the filepath they can be found may help with loading
of 'driver' files etc from disc.
(Hint: UMDs use an iso9660 based filesystem, so this image file
can be opened in any iso image browser such as isobuster to
look at, extract and generally play with the files within.
It could also be burnt to a dvd to let u access the files on
your computer such as in windows explorer)
QUOTE(PI 360 Dumps)
You can't run these dumps yet, but you will be able to sooner
or later
In the mean time you can use our open source extractor tool to
check the Contents on your pc
Why do we release full raw dumps, one sentence "Remember
Gamecube?" until we know for sure what will be needed to run
these things we will be releasing the full raw dumps to you,
also a full raw dump is more likely to assist any hackers out
there...
So the first task is done. We hope this encourages all hackers,
coders and crackers out there to take up the challenge.
Enjoy!
or later
In the mean time you can use our open source extractor tool to
check the Contents on your pc
Why do we release full raw dumps, one sentence "Remember
Gamecube?" until we know for sure what will be needed to run
these things we will be releasing the full raw dumps to you,
also a full raw dump is more likely to assist any hackers out
there...
So the first task is done. We hope this encourages all hackers,
coders and crackers out there to take up the challenge.
Enjoy!
Reason why it reminds me of the original PSP releases is because they both had something dealing with youi cannot play these games yet, although few months later and ISO loader for the PSP came out. I believe the same thing will happen with the 360. My guess it no more than 6 months. Great news for the Xbox-Scene!
Post by: Vegita on December 08, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
QUOTE(XLNC @ Dec 9 2005, 02:55 AM)
The question is how the game was ripped from an original xbox 360 game disc?
Can someone please answer that without saying something like the program extracts the 360 iso, we all know this, what we want to know is how they got to read the contents off the disc.
They were able to bypass whatever protection there is themselves somehow using their own unpublished method, if that helps...
Post by: santium on December 08, 2005, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: TeRm on December 08, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Overloaded on December 08, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
QUOTE(santium @ Dec 9 2005, 03:20 AM)
i started fucking with dvd dumps since i got my 360. i also have a devkit box. the devkits can access the dvd drives and allows file extraction. however, the way this team made the actual .360 is beyond me. i wanna know how they figured out all the filesystem information
the .360 isnt anything important. its just like the gamecube dumps .gmc and anyone with a modded gamecube knows just rename the .gmc to .iso and burn away with your favorite burning software.
im sure this is the same ideas behind the .360 filename.
Post by: generalnewbie on December 08, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
Has anyone just tested putting a xbox 360 game in there DVD rom and testing this app?
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 08, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: Ed_209 on December 08, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 08, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: BCfosheezy on December 08, 2005, 09:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Ed_209 @ Dec 8 2005, 10:08 PM)
This sounds completely stupid, but how similar are xbox 1 files compared to xbox 360 files? Similar dvd structure apparently... Just for "testing purposes", we should see if we can get these files to boot up on an original xbox to see where the similarities end. I am pretty sure they are completely different, but who knows...maybe Micro$oft chose a very similar format to the orginal xbox and only changed the file extensions around. That would be crazy to see an xbox 360 game run on a modded xbox 1 and run completely slow as dirt. It would be pointless to try to attempt I guess, because even if it did work it would be unplayable, but it would give us some insight on how different their security measures are. I am just curious what Micro$oft meant when they said "this time around we built our security up to the hardware level". If that means what I think it means, we will need a modchip with 80+ wires. Ok, i'm done rambling, flame me for sounding stupid if you want, but thats just my 2 cents.
No way in hell that would work. First of all the executables are compiled for totally different processors. Xbox is x86 and the 360 is IBM powerpc. That's why you have to play your original xbox games through an emulator. Overall just a terrible idea.
Post by: Vegita on December 08, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Dec 9 2005, 05:52 AM) 
No way in hell that would work. First of all the executables are compiled for totally different processors. Xbox is x86 and the 360 is IBM powerpc. That's why you have to play your original xbox games through an emulator. Overall just a terrible idea.
LOL
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 08, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(MrPhunkee @ Dec 8 2005, 11:13 PM)
I'm pretty sure we're gonna see an exploit first.
let's hope so
...i dont really wanna open up and solder anything into a $400 piece of hardware that i had to wait 13 hours for in line 
Post by: aepuppetmaster on December 08, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 8 2005, 09:23 PM)
let's hope so
...i dont really wanna open up and solder anything into a $400 piece of hardware that i had to wait 13 hours for in line why does everyone love soft modding so much, mod chips are a lot pimper/stabler. Also, ur gunna want to play and use live (at least i am). So like a soft mod may be first but the mod chip will be better.
Post by: Zipp425 on December 08, 2005, 11:51:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 8 2005, 05:46 PM)
just as it states.... in a command prompt, go into the directory where you stored the xtract360.exe, and then for example mine looks like "C:\pi-xtos1\ xtract360.exe *game name here* (one that you already have on your hdd of your computer) and then press enter and it will extract the game from its .360 form...
haha thanks im an idiot... i missed that...
Post by: TerminatR on December 09, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
Can someone post the TOC of this release containing the filestructure, etc....
Post by: limbfilter on December 09, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
launched on nov 8th, 2001
First thing you could burn and "boot" yourself. March 30th, 2002
Isos hit. May 1st-4th, 2002
Xtender is annouced with promise to play unsigned code. May 7th, 2002
People got their modchips. May 19th-31st, 2002
Now while this all seems like it happened rather fast...consider the fact that 7 months went by before we even saw isos on the first xbox. Though I don't count neox as having the 1st modchip, they did announce one way before the iso releases. These isos come as a surprise....But I doubt a way to play them will come before summer...possibly longer....
Post by: cONEction on December 09, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
The protection of the XBOX360 is much harder than the previous one, but we got more knowledge than before, so hacking this one should be as easy as hacking XBOX
If we could release rips withing 3 weeks after launch, then we can definately hack it within 6 months
Post by: te123 on December 09, 2005, 01:35:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=468080
Post by: JoBlo69 on December 09, 2005, 01:30:00 AM
The hardest xbox mod chip to install...
That was a bitch and im glad its done with...
But im afraid the the xbox 360's first mod chip will probably have a billion wires to solder...
And i bet i am one of the few that will atemp to install a mod chip into my 360, If it's got a crap load of wires.
Post by: craigncheri on December 09, 2005, 05:19:00 AM
Also given that it appears the file system is very similar to the original xbox gdf file system they were probably able to modify some of the tools we have to dump original xbox disc's to work with the 360's drive in the pc.
Post by: santium on December 09, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
QUOTE(craigncheri @ Dec 9 2005, 01:19 PM)
I suspect there dumps were made by installing the xbox 360's dvd drive into a pc. The 360's drive has the required firmware to read an original disc. They would still need to figure out the file system. You still have the issue of the custom power/eject cable but they could of used the 360 to provide these functions to the drive.
Also given that it appears the file system is very similar to the original xbox gdf file system they were probably able to modify some of the tools we have to dump original xbox disc's to work with the 360's drive in the pc.
Unless they were using a computer with SATA connectors, they didn't do that.
Post by: tomlarose on December 09, 2005, 06:14:00 AM
QUOTE(te123 @ Dec 9 2005, 11:35 AM)
I guess my thread I posted about this an hour earlier wasnt any good?
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=468080
No, they get locked.
Like when I posted about this 3 hrs earlier..
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=468059
Post by: krawhitham on December 09, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: tomlarose on December 09, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
you can check out the nfo herE:
http://www.sqwert.com/pre/xbox360.php
Post by: xmodem on December 09, 2005, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(santium @ Dec 9 2005, 10:28 PM)
Unless they were using a computer with SATA connectors, they didn't do that.
wtf?
my comp has sata connectors, and its almost 2 years old. Almost all new motherboards today, even the cheapies, have SATA.
Post by: Vegita on December 09, 2005, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(xmodem @ Dec 9 2005, 05:44 PM)
wtf?
my comp has sata connectors, and its almost 2 years old. Almost all new motherboards today, even the cheapies, have SATA.
Yeah I was confused by what he said too.
Post by: ZX3Junglist on December 09, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
I'd like to appeal to someone with a devkit, can we get this dump onto media and try booting it from the kit? This would be the first and biggest help, as I suspect as with the original xbox dumps working on x1 devkits prior to modchips surfacing, .360 dumps will work on a 360 developer box. This will at the very least verify the validity of these dumps (PI has released several in the past 2 hours, all in PAL mind you) or we can rule them out else we start on a wild goose chase..
Post by: cONEction on December 09, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
QUOTE(ZX3Junglist @ Dec 9 2005, 07:42 PM)
Instead of worthlessly chiming on "when's there gonna be a modchip?" or Asking stupid questions to "get it running" let's be useful here:
I'd like to appeal to someone with a devkit, can we get this dump onto media and try booting it from the kit? This would be the first and biggest help, as I suspect as with the original xbox dumps working on x1 devkits prior to modchips surfacing, .360 dumps will work on a 360 developer box. This will at the very least verify the validity of these dumps (PI has released several in the past 2 hours, all in PAL mind you) or we can rule them out else we start on a wild goose chase..
I agree, if someone with a dev kit could verify the isos, that would be great
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 09, 2005, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 09, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
Movies map:
NFS map:
Post by: yaazz on December 09, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Press the guide button to bring up the evox menu, then go back to evox to pick the backup I want to play off the HD.
360 is already pretty much all I wanted a non hacked Xbox to be, I cant wait until its hacked
Post by: dkatwax on December 09, 2005, 03:51:00 PM
....just curious.
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 09, 2005, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 09, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on December 09, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 9 2005, 11:57 PM)
this may be a really stupid question cuz i know you couldnt do this in Xbox 1, but would it be possible to take the dumps...extract them....and then use a code from the media center to stream them from your mce 2005? sorta like the other apps?
LOL absolutly not!
Post by: MrPhunkee on December 09, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
The Disc is unreadable. It may be the wrong region for this console. (I have PAL)
1.Match the region of the disc to the console
2.Clean the disc with a soft cloth.
3.Restart the console
It recognisez it as a game also in dash: can clock start game. I burnt it as a data disk. Like on ms site with the bc update. I higly doubt it would just work like this, but if u don't try it, u don't know 4 sure.
Post by: erikk on December 10, 2005, 04:38:00 AM
what do you think about that?
when we can dump a iso like nfs we have to hack the default.xex i think, for the protection.
some files like default.xex from the bc update or the default.xex files from downloaded demos dont check any copy protection. so i think i can be possible to hack some codes in the xex files.
do you think its possible?
Post by: OcnewB on December 10, 2005, 05:22:00 AM
QUOTE(erikk @ Dec 10 2005, 12:38 PM)
very strange situation... with the iso files...
what do you think about that?
when we can dump a iso like nfs we have to hack the default.xex i think, for the protection.
some files like default.xex from the bc update or the default.xex files from downloaded demos dont check any copy protection. so i think i can be possible to hack some codes in the xex files.
do you think its possible?
All the files are encrypted besides that the hypervisor wont allow non signed files to be played or it panics and blows up.
So my guess is no. Not without a chip.
I was wondering more what would happen if you put all the files on a xbox(1) harddisk and rename some xex files to .xbe..
Ill try that later :-) Just for fun..
Post by: jizmo on December 10, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
QUOTE(OcnewB @ Dec 10 2005, 02:29 PM)
I was wondering more what would happen if you put all the files on a xbox(1) harddisk and rename some xex files to .xbe..
Where do you all chumps come from? First one wants to play the extracted files remotely with MCE and some other ones are waiting for modchip for christmas. And now this guy wants to play x360 compiled binaries on Xbox.
I can't take it. Please, someone post something smart for a change.
Post by: tomlarose on December 10, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 10, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: tomlarose on December 10, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
I have an idea. I'm going to go plant a $100 bill in the ground and see if I can grow a money tree.
Like you said if you don't try it you won't know.Sound ignorant? Why because it's impossible? Now how far off from impossible is renaming a bunch of files compiled in one architecture and try and run them on a completely diffrent one.
See what I'm getting at here?
Sure, try it. More power to you. But why waste the bandwith on this site (because we all know this site is drowsey as it is) and post about it?
Congrats. You've won dumbass of the week.
Post by: Keva on December 10, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: scotty2hotty1124 on December 10, 2005, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE
Doesnt the 360 drive read CDR disks? Cant someone creat a "boot disk" like the one used on the DC?
i like the idea...but be careful...you might be called ignorant or your idea might not be "smart enough" and youll be flamed for it....
Post by: tomlarose on December 10, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 10 2005, 11:25 PM)
i like the idea...but be careful...you might be called ignorant or your idea might not be "smart enough" and youll be flamed for it....
Creating a boot disk is way more plausible than renaming your xex to xbe and playing the game on your xbox.
Did you actually think that was even a practical idea? I mean shit.
Post by: krawhitham on December 10, 2005, 02:36:00 PM
QUOTE(erikk @ Dec 10 2005, 12:38 PM)
very strange situation... with the iso files...
what do you think about that?
when we can dump a iso like nfs we have to hack the default.xex i think, for the protection.
some files like default.xex from the bc update or the default.xex files from downloaded demos dont check any copy protection. so i think i can be possible to hack some codes in the xex files.
do you think its possible?
sure all you have to do is decrypt the xex, figure out where the media flag is change it to accept burned discs, re-encrypt the xex and re-sign it with a key that he have no idea what it is
QUOTE(scotty2hotty1124 @ Dec 10 2005, 09:25 PM)
i like the idea...but be careful...you might be called ignorant or your idea might not be "smart enough" and youll be flamed for it....
the xbox 1 would read dvd-r disc did anyone ever make a boot disc for it that did not require the system be modded?
you have to sign the XEX with a key we do not have
Post by: erikk on December 10, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
you can play that games from hd.. the structure of contents seems like dvd structure, without any copy protection sections.
or will be the xex file new generated when you download a game? i dont think so.
so a default.xex file must exist without any protection check, also the xex file from bc update. (in my opinion)
what i mean is that a possible choice have to be:
you can burn the default.xex from bc update to a dvd-r or cd-r and the xbox 360 aceppt that cd with data content and run that. The xex file is still an executable with compressed data like self extracting rar, but it is executable. so there have to be code in it, which dont use any media protection.
Post by: jizmo on December 11, 2005, 03:54:00 AM
With x360's file system driver on a Linux, one could connect x360's HD (which is recognized by PCs, but not readable atm), transfer every kind of files in and out of it and look how x360 reacts to them. You could fiddle around with the system files and try to figure out the possibilities there. You could try to format a third party HD to the same filesystem and see if x360 recognizes it (which is unlikely though).
The game backups alone don't do a shit for anyone at the moment - they're just a proof of a concept as long as there isn't a software / hw mod available or if someone gets them running on their dev x360's (any news on this yet btw?)
Post by: cONEction on December 11, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Dec 11 2005, 11:54 AM)
All the stupidities aside, here's how this tool might be useful. Now that x360 games can be ISO'ed and the contents extracted, figuring out the filesystem used in x360 might be just around the corner. That's where the actual fun would begin.
With x360's file system driver on a Linux, one could connect x360's HD (which is recognized by PCs, but not readable atm), transfer every kind of files in and out of it and look how x360 reacts to them. You could fiddle around with the system files and try to figure out the possibilities there. You could try to format a third party HD to the same filesystem and see if x360 recognizes it (which is unlikely though).
The game backups alone don't do a shit for anyone at the moment - they're just a proof of a concept as long as there isn't a software / hw mod available or if someone gets them running on their dev x360's (any news on this yet btw?)
some interesting points here
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on December 12, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
Thanx
Chris
Post by: carranzafp on December 12, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
I also coded an very fast very little GUI for XBOX 360 dump images. It allows to view the structure an d then select the files to extract
If somebody is interested here is the xbox scene post
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=469362
Post by: pepzi on December 12, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
I've been reading the source for some time now, figuring out how the iso/filesystem is built up. With nothing but my hex-editor i've been able to make an "iso" containing a text-file with an ironic/funny message in it. If someone wants to try the extractor, but doesn't have an iso, they may try extracting my "iso" instead (although its pretty useless, but so are currently game-ISOs too
) It's located here (it's a 277 byte download):
http://pbx.no-ip.biz/~robert/pepzis_360dummy.rar
I'm still learning how the filesystem is working, and I'm thinking about making a program that can generate iso's automatically from files/directories on my HDD. I guess this could be useful when modchips arrive.
Post by: xbox7387 on December 12, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: carranzafp on December 12, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
QUOTE(pepzi @ Dec 13 2005, 12:55 AM)
Great stuff!
I've been reading the source for some time now, figuring out how the iso/filesystem is built up. With nothing but my hex-editor i've been able to make an "iso" containing a text-file with an ironic/funny message in it. If someone wants to try the extractor, but doesn't have an iso, they may try extracting my "iso" instead (although its pretty useless, but so are currently game-ISOs too
) It's located here (it's a 277 byte download):
http://pbx.no-ip.biz...is_360dummy.rar
I'm still learning how the filesystem is working, and I'm thinking about making a program that can generate iso's automatically from files/directories on my HDD. I guess this could be useful when modchips arrive.
Yep I have tried with my utility, I can see your file hackme.txt
And yea it would be very interesting to create an app to "make" xbox360 iso files.... I am thinking on it right now...
Post by: FSUNolez336 on December 12, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(carranzafp @ Dec 12 2005, 05:17 PM)
Hi, here are my 2 cents
I also coded an very fast very little GUI for XBOX 360 dump images. It allows to view the structure an d then select the files to extract
If somebody is interested here is the xbox scene post
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=469362
So far, I like yours the best. I like being able to see the files before I extract them. Great work!
Post by: carranzafp on December 12, 2005, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE(FSUNolez336 @ Dec 13 2005, 03:39 AM)
So far, I like yours the best. I like being able to see the files before I extract them. Great work!
Thank you so much... I just updated the app to include Structure Clipboard Copy for those interested on check the structure on excel, etc.
just re-download it
Post by: FSUNolez336 on December 12, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
QUOTE(carranzafp @ Dec 12 2005, 09:54 PM)
Thank you so much... I just updated the app to include Structure Clipboard Copy for those interested on check the structure on excel, etc.
just re-download it
May I suggest a "select all" button.
Post by: carranzafp on December 12, 2005, 08:38:00 PM
QUOTE(FSUNolez336 @ Dec 13 2005, 04:21 AM)
May I suggest a "select all" button.
Done, just, re-download it.
Please use my other post for request changes and error reporting
the post is this
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=469362
Thanks
Post by: tomlarose on December 13, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
QUOTE(pepzi @ Dec 13 2005, 02:55 AM)
Great stuff!
I've been reading the source for some time now, figuring out how the iso/filesystem is built up. With nothing but my hex-editor i've been able to make an "iso" containing a text-file with an ironic/funny message in it. If someone wants to try the extractor, but doesn't have an iso, they may try extracting my "iso" instead (although its pretty useless, but so are currently game-ISOs too
) It's located here (it's a 277 byte download):
http://pbx.no-ip.biz...is_360dummy.rar
I'm still learning how the filesystem is working, and I'm thinking about making a program that can generate iso's automatically from files/directories on my HDD. I guess this could be useful when modchips arrive.
Okay nice work.
A couple of things. Have you tried burning an iso created by your program? If you did, are you able to read the contents of the disk on your computer? Have you tried extracting one of PI's dumps and creating an image of it with your tool? If you have, did you compare the two images? Are there any diffrences?
Thanks
Post by: tomlarose on December 13, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: carranzafp on December 13, 2005, 11:40:00 AM
Also maybe there is no too far from the true that you (may be) can see the 360 file structure directly from the original disk if you put it on your modded XBOX 1. I will try by myself later just for fun.
Post by: crosseye on December 13, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: carranzafp on December 13, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(crosseye @ Dec 13 2005, 08:29 PM)
I'm not at home, and I haven't messed with Qwix in awhile so I could be way off. Is it possible to put the 360 game into a modded xbox. Then, have qwix look on D: and create an ISO from D: I know you can create ISO from F: or G:, but I'm pretty sure the file structure is near identical on 360 as it was on xbox. The more I even think about it though, the more I know this probably is so far off...lol
Well I tried to put an original (call of duty 2) xbox 360 game on my modded xbox 1 and TA DA!!!! an perfect intro movie "insert this disc in an XBOX 360" appears... so it didn't work at all, it only recognize the classic Audio and video_ts folders...
I think the file structures are very similar (I can see XBOX 1 or XBOX 360 file structures with my Win XP utility) but there is a gap from the beggining of the 360 image to the start of the data that is not documented in the opensource released by PI Group so I assume that there is the main diference between formats.
I am sure that QUIX can create an ISO from a bunch of 360 files on your hd (or on modded xbox) but I highly doubt that it will be an 360 working image... only when these gap will be documented or explorated we will be capable to make "perfect" 360 images. (at least as perfect as the PI group releases are)
Damn....