Post by: Xbox-Scene on March 19, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
February NPD: Xbox360 391k, PS3 276k, Wii 753k Posted by XanTium | March 19 19:39 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| Here are the NPD hardware U.S. sales numbers for February 2009: * Wii - 753,000 * Nintendo DS - 588,000 * Xbox 360 - 391,000 * PlayStation 3 - 276,000 * PSP - 199,000 * PlayStation 2 - 131,000 |
Post by: axess68 on March 19, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
They should have never pulled the B/C and discontinued the PS2's while dropping the price of the PS3.
They would have sold a lot more PS3's, I think.
Post by: sinister slipknot on March 20, 2009, 12:54:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on March 20, 2009, 02:51:00 AM
QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ Mar 20 2009, 08:38 AM) 
I can't believe they're still selling PS2s, do any new games even come out for that console? or do sony have a better policy about not abandoning their previous generation console, unlike MS.
They still release games for it.
Post by: Giga_Death on March 20, 2009, 05:03:00 AM
Why is 360 selling 400k in a non-holiday month? Must be Lost & Damned.
Post by: Martinchris23 on March 20, 2009, 05:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Mar 20 2009, 12:47 PM)
hmm, another Year on Year decrease for PS3 while X360 and Wii go up YoY. Not looking good.
Why is 360 selling 400k in a non-holiday month? Must be Lost & Damned.
Because
a- it's the cheapest next-gen console
and
b- it has the largest catalog of games
If you were thinking of a price cut Sony, now's the time to do it!
Post by: Anth on March 20, 2009, 05:28:00 AM
I was wanting to buy one brand new last month so google'd, and phoned around all the likely stores that would still sell them new.
Their RRP is still £105 and are almost always sold for ~£100 in the shops. Sometims Amazon and Play have sales selling them for £60-£80 though.
Game.co.uk New PS2 consoles
Furthermore those 131,000 sales figures will not be people buying second hand.
So this would work out that Sony are making £13.1 Million a month on PS2 sales alone. If you were Sony would you want to therefore implement backwards compatibility on the PS3 ceasing a large portion of sales of that huge cash cow.
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Post by: Giga_Death on March 20, 2009, 06:22:00 AM
QUOTE("MartinChris")
Because
a- it's the cheapest next-gen console
and
b- it has the largest catalog of games
a- it's the cheapest next-gen console
and
b- it has the largest catalog of games
The same could've been said of last year, even before a price drop, for reference here are the February 2008 hardware sales
* PlayStation 3 - 280,800
* Xbox 360 - 254,600
Yet 360 hardware sales increased this year. Considering the PS3's sales are down YOY, it had a hyped game in KZ2 coming out for it yet their closest competitor saw a huge YOY bump. . . I would have thought that the one month they would've stopped the negative YOY trend would have been this one.
Post by: sabbath_dude on March 20, 2009, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Mar 20 2009, 02:06 PM)
The same could've been said of last year, even before a price drop, for reference here are the February 2008 hardware sales
* PlayStation 3 - 280,800
* Xbox 360 - 254,600
Yet 360 hardware sales increased this year. Considering the PS3's sales are down YOY, it had a hyped game in KZ2 coming out for it yet their closest competitor saw a huge YOY bump. . . I would have thought that the one month they would've stopped the negative YOY trend would have been this one.
Microsoft are doing an excellent job of marketing and promoting the 360. There are 360 adverts and promos all over the place. They've just teamed up with the worlds most recognisable brand (Coca-Cola) for a global Microsoft Points giveaway for example. Compare that to Sony's efforts which in comparison are nearly non existent and it's no surprise their sales are decreasing.* PlayStation 3 - 280,800
* Xbox 360 - 254,600
Yet 360 hardware sales increased this year. Considering the PS3's sales are down YOY, it had a hyped game in KZ2 coming out for it yet their closest competitor saw a huge YOY bump. . . I would have thought that the one month they would've stopped the negative YOY trend would have been this one.
So to add to what Martinchris said,
C- massive amounts of marketing
Post by: Bazdoctor on March 20, 2009, 07:17:00 AM
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Post by: Fantmx on March 20, 2009, 07:18:00 AM
QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ Mar 20 2009, 09:38 AM)
I can't believe they're still selling PS2s, do any new games even come out for that console? or do sony have a better policy about not abandoning their previous generation console, unlike MS.
Post by: Giga_Death on March 20, 2009, 08:14:00 AM
It certainly has received more hype than Fable 2 recieved, and that game made 300,000 in one day.
The (lack of) hardware sales pushed by a killer app title such as KZ2 can hardly be blamed on lack of marketing tbh, it is questionable why the reviews and hype didn't translate into console sales. It's budget is estimated to be over $50m
QUOTE(sabbath_dude)
So to add to what Martinchris said, C- massive amounts of marketing
Microsoft had a decent amount of marketing last year too. The 360 didn't even have a big release during this month and it posted impressive YoY growth, although Lost & Damned might be the reason if we count dlc that don't show up in the figures.
Post by: crapoid685 on March 20, 2009, 08:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Mar 20 2009, 10:01 AM)
I think the bigger question is why people are still buying Wii's by the fucking bucket-loads. I mean, surely by now most people on the planet have one. I can only hope that the Wii's success doesn't change the makeup of next generation consoles. Please M$, NO 720 WAGGLE.
Every month someone has to come out and say this. I love it. Let's face it, the Wii will sell 500k-1M units every month until they come out with a new console. Who cares who, what, why, when, where? People are buying them and that's all that matters. Maybe women are buying them to use the Wii remotes as vibrators(Rumble - Yes please). Who the fuck cares?
Post by: Martinchris23 on March 20, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
My Sister-in-Law was over last week and she spotted my recently purchased PS3.
"What's that?"
"A PlayStation 3"
"Oh - I didn't even know there was a 3rd one out!"
Now, I accept I'm in the UK and these are NA figures, but if the average Joe isn't aware of a console, how on Earth do Sony expect to sell them?
There are adverts in the UK for Xbox 360 on a weekly basis, of one kind or another.
I can't even tell you the last time I saw a PS3 advert.
Is it the same story across the pond? Are Sony lacking in the marketing department? Someone tell me please!
Post by: sabbath_dude on March 20, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Mar 20 2009, 03:58 PM)
There are quite a few factors I would put ahead regarding Sony before I would blame poor marketing as something on top of the list for their current state of affairs (price, economy etc).
Post by: chronno on March 20, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(sabbath_dude @ Mar 20 2009, 06:18 PM)
Don't underestimate good marketing. Look at the Wii for example, it costs more than a 360, is less powerful than a 360, has far less good games yet it sells double the amount of the cheaper console. I agree the main problem with the PS3 is it's price (you can buy a 360 and standalone Blu-ray player for less) but Sony doesn't seem to have a clue when it comes to promoting and marketing their console.
There is also another market that the 360 and PS3 don't even come close to. The professional market. The bar down the street from my house doesn't have a 360, it doesn't have a PS3, it has a Wii. Physical trainers, rehabilitation centers, and under exercised home dwellers use them. All the physical activity that the Wii promotes created a shotgun marketing affect that even Nintendo didn't anticipate (or maybe they did and that is why the Wiimote exists).
Post by: Anth on February 03, 2020, 03:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Mar 20 2009, 03:13 PM)
I'll give you a real-life example as to why I think Sony are failing.
My Sister-in-Law was over last week and she spotted my recently purchased PS3.
"What's that?"
"A PlayStation 3"
"Oh - I didn't even know there was a 3rd one out!"
I think all that shows is maybe your sister in law is a bit dim.
Show her a microwave and see if she asks if you can get channel 5 on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
(Just to note this was intended as a bit of a harmless fun - so no offence intended)
Post by: Martinchris23 on February 03, 2020, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Anth @ Mar 21 2009, 10:15 AM)
I think all that shows is maybe your sister in law is a bit dim.
Show her a microwave and see if she asks if you can get channel 5 on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
(Just to note this was intended as a bit of a harmless fun - so no offence intended)
Yeah, apparently all electronic engineers are a bit dim ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
She's anything but dim - maybe you're just an unfunny retard?
(Just to note this was intended as a bit of harmless fun too, so no offence intended).
Post by: Anth on February 03, 2020, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Mar 21 2009, 04:24 PM)
Yeah, apparently all electronic engineers are a bit dim ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Yep you said it.
QUOTE
She's anything but dim - maybe you're just an unfunny retard?
But I know what a PS3 is.
You must have known you were setting yourself up for some sort of satirical comment posting something as embarrassing like that.
Post by: Chancer on February 03, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
The problem is Sony expected to be selling much more in terms of total numbers.
As a comparison to the 360 it has told more console sales than the 360 at the same relative point in it's life span. Sony over anticipated how much they could achieve in a short time. (worldwide. Don't know how that converts with the NPD figures)
QUOTE
I'll give you a real-life example as to why I think Sony are failing.
My Sister-in-Law was over last week and she spotted my recently purchased PS3.
"What's that?"
"A PlayStation 3"
"Oh - I didn't even know there was a 3rd one out!"
Now, I accept I'm in the UK and these are NA figures, but if the average Joe isn't aware of a console, how on Earth do Sony expect to sell them?
My Sister-in-Law was over last week and she spotted my recently purchased PS3.
"What's that?"
"A PlayStation 3"
"Oh - I didn't even know there was a 3rd one out!"
Now, I accept I'm in the UK and these are NA figures, but if the average Joe isn't aware of a console, how on Earth do Sony expect to sell them?
If she was remotely interested in gaming then she would have known. Lots of people who don't care about gaming don't know what any of the consoles are or do or even that they exist. Advertising for the PS3 has been crap but even if they hammered the advertising, your "average Joe" or your sister still are not going to buy one. No point targeting people who don't care about consoles.
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Post by: Martinchris23 on February 03, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Anth @ Mar 21 2009, 06:49 PM)
You must have known you were setting yourself up for some sort of satirical comment posting something as embarrassing like that.
Believe it or not, there's more to life than your games console(s). I'm also sure she could tell you things you're ignorant of too - I suppose that makes you dim too, eh?
What's 'embarrassing' is your assumption the world is full of people reading computer magazines and visiting sites such as this.
QUOTE(Chancer @ Mar 21 2009, 07:26 PM)
If she was remotely interested in gaming then she would have known. Lots of people who don't care about gaming don't know what any of the consoles are or do or even that they exist. Advertising for the PS3 has been crap but even if they hammered the advertising, your "average Joe" or your sister still are not going to buy one. No point targeting people who don't care about consoles.
There are far too many assumptions in that statement!
She's got an Xbox - admittedly it's used mainly for XBMC, but it's there for games too. How does this make her aware of a new console? BTW, she's also fully aware of our 360 and Wii.
How do you know who would buy one unless you market the product to them (sorry, this statement alone is laughable)? By that statement, the PS3 must already have achieved its market saturation (if you don't know about the PS3, you wouldn't want one anyway). Sony may as well pull all advertisements altogether.
Forget about trying to pinpoint your demographic, you should be advertising to as many types of people as possible. The Wii is a prime example - it's selling to a non-gamer market. People who haven't touched a games console in 20 years are getting back into the gaming scene. Do you think the Wii would have been anywhere near as successful had they marketed it the same as the PS3 (i.e to a niche market)?
Post by: Anth on February 03, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Mar 21 2009, 06:52 PM)
Believe it or not, there's more to life than your games console(s). I'm also sure she could tell you things you're ignorant of too - I suppose that makes you dim too, eh?
What's 'embarrassing' is your assumption the world is full of people reading computer magazines and visiting sites such as this.
Jesus you are taking a offhanded jibe that was meant in good spirit like it was a declaration of war against your entire family morals.
You tend to forget you were the one that posted that she did not even know what the PS3 was, to prove some point that this means that the PS3 is doing terribly, which is simply not true.
And you now suggest that she has no interest whatsoever in gaming technology so this is how she doesn't know.
All I have to say to this change of reasoning is: Correct, that is how she didn't know, I bet she also may not know the the results of the past seven Manchester United games, Or San Francisco 49ers but that doesn't mean they're doing terribly.
This will be my last post on this thread as this is really getting nowhere.
Post by: Spartiku5 on February 03, 2020, 03:31:00 PM
A true next gen console with the wii marketing and features and MS francises would be the ideal i hope nintendo are heading towards this.
Post by: Chancer on February 04, 2020, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE
She's got an Xbox - admittedly it's used mainly for XBMC, but it's there for games too. How does this make her aware of a new console? BTW, she's also fully aware of our 360 and Wii.
How do you know who would buy one unless you market the product to them (sorry, this statement alone is laughable)? By that statement, the PS3 must already have achieved its market saturation (if you don't know about the PS3, you wouldn't want one anyway). Sony may as well pull all advertisements altogether.
How do you know who would buy one unless you market the product to them (sorry, this statement alone is laughable)? By that statement, the PS3 must already have achieved its market saturation (if you don't know about the PS3, you wouldn't want one anyway). Sony may as well pull all advertisements altogether.
I will tell you what is laughable.
your little "story" about your sister who has an Xbox knows about the Wii but has never heard of the PS3.
Sounds very fishy to me.
As for the rest you quote some story about your own sister to prove a point yet tell me that every company who has a product does not have a target demographic.
Oh yes I can see the technophobes who don't even have a VCR yet fighting to get a games console because June Whitfield advertises it on the back of their pension credits envelope. I never said the PS3 had reached Market saturation. You made that assumption based on your clear misinterpretation of what I posted (not the first time either)
QUOTE
Forget about trying to pinpoint your demographic, you should be advertising to as many types of people as possible.
What?? Why don't you open a company up selling oil and advertise it to oil sheiks or snow and advertise it to people in Africa. Not having targeted marketing is a fat waste of cash. To suggest other wise is well to coin your phrase again "laughable"
Amazing!!
I realise you like a battle with me and I too enjoy it. But really consider what you have posted before you rush into the counter strike.
Oh and don't call names like "Retard" at other members please. It doesn't make your case any more convincing and is rather personal as opposed to arguing a point.
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