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Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 03, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

I just read on the RPC1.org forums that a guy had problems with disc burned on the Pioneer 109/A09 working on his Xbox.

Has any of you guys bought a 109/A09 yet and tried the disc on your Xbox? Please tell us about your results if you have and if there were any problems.

Read more about it here.
Dont buy a pioneer 109 if you have an xbox

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: tutyet on February 03, 2005, 03:39:00 PM

hi

i have the new 109 pioneer and it works fine for me, i only tried ridisc, datasafe and some dvd+rw from philips and they all seem to work fine.

when is the dvd-r dl media coming out????????????????? <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 03, 2005, 05:15:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Feb 3 2005, 09:04 PM)

I just read on the RPC1.org forums that a guy had problems with disc burned on the Pioneer 109/A09 working on his Xbox.

Has any of you guys bought a 109/A09 yet and tried the disc on your Xbox? Please tell us about your results if you have and if there were any problems.
Read more about it here.
Dont buy a pioneer 109 if you have an xbox

One person having problems doesn't make it universal. Anyways it's a safe bet that a decent firmware update will shortly be available for those having issues with their 109s.

. @tutyet Verbatim is in the process of finalizing their specs on D/L DVD-R media at this point. It should be out towards the end of this month or early next month. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: pablo0024 on February 03, 2005, 06:04:00 PM

you people cant read.

post says "-R" is giving problems, "+R" is fine
and you talk about +RW.
<

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 03, 2005, 08:26:00 PM

QUOTE(pablo0024 @ Feb 3 2005, 11:59 PM)

you people cant read.
post says "-R" is giving problems, "+R" is fine
and you talk about +RW.

Where in my post did I mention anything about that? Either way, if you pay extra to have this drive, the -R should work. If all you care about is +R, then you are better off picking up an old + format only burner on ebay for dirt cheap.
<

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on February 04, 2005, 11:39:00 AM

QUOTE(pablo0024 @ Feb 3 2005, 03:59 PM)

you people cant read.
post says "-R" is giving problems, "+R" is fine
and you talk about +RW.

YOU can't read...says he used

QUOTE

ridisc, datasafe and some dvd+rw

I'm assuming the ridisc and datasafe were all -R. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 04, 2005, 04:49:00 PM

They could be either. He didn't specify. Usually Ridisc and Datasafe are re-labeled Ritek discs. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 04, 2005, 08:25:00 PM

I also have had problems with my Pioneer 109 burning xiso.
I used:
Fuji Film dvd-r 8X.
C-Xbox Tool
Nero 6.6
Pioneer 109 firmware 1.09

I have a modified Samsung drive so the Thompson problem is not an issue.
I have also heard that newer versions of Nero squeeze a few MB out of a disc and this could account for "Bad" Lead-in. This is not just an isolated incident.
<

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 04, 2005, 09:11:00 PM

Confirmed not working with an Xbox. My lead-in rings are normal size, but the Xbox does not recognize the disc. Other devices read them fine. Details below:

Xbox DVD Drive --> Samsung
Firmware tested --> 1.01, 1.05, 1.09
Media --> Ritek G04 DVD-R, Ritek G05 DVD-R

NewEgg will be getting this drive back and I guess I'll find another brand to be loyal to. My 106 never failed (until this past week) on over 500 DVDs burnt. I'm very disappointed.

<

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on February 04, 2005, 10:28:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Feb 4 2005, 07:06 PM)

Dude, you got a drive that hasn't been shipping for 30 days. Now I agree, a drive should work 100% out of the box, but my guess is a firmware update will solve the problems.

However, this is how Sony used to ship their drive (i.e. couldn't work right out of the box) and I do expect more out of Pioneer.

As for returning it, by the time a firmware update is out it may be to late to return the drive, and it could still be a hardware issue...so, I agree I would return the drive as well. You can see in this post: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...344230&hl=funky

I was about to buy that drive, but was chefelf convinced me to wait for a couple months after there would probably be a firmware update or two and an ample supply of DL DVD-Rs. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 04, 2005, 11:25:00 PM

I don't want to risk not being able to have a fully functional drive. If I wait that time and the problem is not fixed, I won't have the ability to RMA the drive. I just find it irritating that a company that has produced some of the best DVD burners (never heard of a problem with Pioneer before this) could ship a drive with such an issue, and have the issue still exist after 2 firmware upgrades. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 04, 2005, 10:28:00 PM

My guess is that Pioneer had to rush the drive a bit as there was alot of pressure on them to finally "put up or shut up" on the D/L DVD-R format. So they might have released the drive a bit prematurely. There already is a firmware update that is out for it. Just released today. I will see if I can't track it down for you folks and see if it does anything for ya.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 04, 2005, 11:43:00 PM

Hopefully it will fix the issue. As for purchasing the 109, I couldn't find a 108 for LESS than the 109. I knew the drive was brand new, but I didn't expect such problems. <

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 04, 2005, 10:34:00 PM

Well, nobody is perfect. Take a look at how many times NEC drives fell flat on their faces at launch but became outstanding drives after a firmware update.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 04, 2005, 10:50:00 PM

Aha, here it is. Not sure if it will fix the problem but it's worth a shot, right?

http://www.pioneerel...8163990,00.html

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 04, 2005, 10:56:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 04, 2005, 11:02:00 PM

Did you get the right one though? One of the 1.09 version of firmwares is designed for the retail model and the other is for the OEM. Not sure what the difference is but I was just curious if that was an issue.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 05, 2005, 01:36:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 01:43:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 4 2005, 11:08 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 05, 2005, 02:00:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 05, 2005, 02:07:00 AM

I have already upgraded my firmware and still the same problem. I think it is crazy to return the drive for that one reason. I hope this is the last DVD burner I will buy until blue-ray comes out. I have had no other problems with the drive and I'm very happy with it.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 05, 2005, 02:15:00 AM

Nero 6.6 (Reloaded) may be the culprit. According to oj213 used the same version of nero as I did. Maybe it is because of Nero's new Lead-out. Just a thought.

Here is a quote from Doom9.org about Nero:

"Ahead has finally released Nero 6.6 (AKA Reloaded). The new version can burn discs with short lead-outs, thus giving you a few more MBs per disc. The new NeroVision package (including an updated Recode 2) can process burned films, but is still lacking the much awaited H.264 NeroDigital codec"

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 05, 2005, 02:25:00 AM

QUOTE(Glock.45 @ Feb 5 2005, 01:21 AM)

Nero 6.6 (Reloaded) may be the culprit. According to oj213 used the same version of nero as I did. Maybe it is because of Nero's new Lead-out. Just a thought.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: tutyet on February 05, 2005, 03:54:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 05, 2005, 09:03:00 AM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Feb 5 2005, 09:31 AM)

Do u know at exactly what version they added this? Because it might be worth going to the release just prior and checking if the same results occur. Has anyone else tried Recordnow Max 4.5 and had success aswell?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 11:44:00 AM

I burned using DVD Decrypter 3.5.2.0. In fact, I didn't even try Nero (don't like using it for images, sometimes does the lead-out forever). I'll give RecordNow a try and see; I can only hope because I"m running out of HD space quickly (my old 106 went out).

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 05, 2005, 01:39:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 02:12:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 5 2005, 01:45 PM)

That is interesting. I have to say I am glad I am short on funds ATM, so I can't purchase one of these yet. I'm sure it will be a great drive in the next few weeks when they get issues sorted out. It could be that the software is also in desperate need of an update (ie Nero, DVD Decrypter). Another program to try would be Prassi ONES, since it is based off the same software as RNM.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 03:16:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 05, 2005, 03:36:00 PM

It requires a patch. Hang on a sec and I will track down the link with the instructions for ya.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 05, 2005, 04:03:00 PM

AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found it.

http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=124883

Take a look at Niko76's post. It has a link to the fix.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 05, 2005, 05:12:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Feb 5 2005, 02:22 PM)

RecordNow 4.5 doesn't even recognize the 109, so I don't see how it could burn compatible discs.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 05:26:00 PM

Cool, testing now *crosses fingers*

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 05, 2005, 07:38:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 05, 2005, 09:44:00 PM

And it works! RecordNow Max 4.5 with the update to recognize newer drives, the discs play fine. I still don't like the idea of having to use a "special" program to burn discs for the Xbox. The problem still needs to be fixed, but a workaround is good enough for now.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 05, 2005, 10:20:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 05, 2005, 10:43:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Feb 5 2005, 08:50 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 06, 2005, 09:16:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 5 2005, 05:42 PM)

It requires a patch. Hang on a sec and I will track down the link with the instructions for ya.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on February 06, 2005, 01:11:00 PM

QUOTE(Silverevoviii @ Feb 6 2005, 11:55 AM)

Guys,

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 06, 2005, 02:48:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on February 15, 2005, 10:51:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 16, 2005, 01:34:00 AM

The Pioneer 109/A09 will do it just fine with a modified version of Recordnow Max V4.5.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: DaShiZNiT on February 17, 2005, 02:36:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 17, 2005, 09:36:00 AM

1.17 firmware does not fix the issue. DVD-R(W)s are still not recognized by the Xbox, but play fine in a standalone. RNM v4.5 still burns readable discs.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 17, 2005, 02:34:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Feb 17 2005, 08:42 AM)

1.17 firmware does not fix the issue. DVD-R(W)s are still not recognized by the Xbox, but play fine in a standalone. RNM v4.5 still burns readable discs.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 17, 2005, 03:51:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Feb 17 2005, 11:42 AM)

1.17 firmware does not fix the issue. DVD-R(W)s are still not recognized by the Xbox, but play fine in a standalone. RNM v4.5 still burns readable discs.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 17, 2005, 04:02:00 PM

Nero 6 always has the Finalize Disc option checked and gryed out for Record Once media.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 17, 2005, 04:24:00 PM

The whole point is that the discs are fine on a PC or a standalone player; it's the Xbox and PS2 that can't read them.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: DaShiZNiT on February 17, 2005, 06:06:00 PM

oh sorry guys, I should have mentioned I am using Alcohol 120% for all my DVD-R, Xbox, and PS2

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 17, 2005, 06:12:00 PM

QUOTE(DaShiZNiT @ Feb 17 2005, 05:12 PM)

oh sorry guys, I should have mentioned I am using Alcohol 120% for all my DVD-R, Xbox, and PS2

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 17, 2005, 06:22:00 PM

I haven't tried Alcohol 120% for burning; I thought RNM was the only way that was working currently. I'd prefer to use Alcohol, RNM has a horrible interface. I'll give it a shot here in a bit and report back. Maybe if more than 1 program can burn compatible discs other developers for programs like DVD Decrypter and Nero will work to correct the problem.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 17, 2005, 07:15:00 PM

Alcohol 120% v1.9.2b1705 fails as well. Ritek G04 DVD-R @ 4x on DVR-109 v1.17.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 17, 2005, 07:16:00 PM

Alcohol 120% v1.9.2b1705 fails as well. Ritek G04 DVD-R @ 4x on DVR-109 v1.17.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 18, 2005, 09:36:00 AM

LOL! They are selling refurbs already. It hasn't been out for a month yet.

http://www.newegg.co...129-161R&depa=0

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on February 18, 2005, 03:24:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Feb 18 2005, 08:42 AM)

LOL! They are selling refurbs already. It hasn't been out for a month yet.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 19, 2005, 01:54:00 AM

I was under the impression that they were going to start doing recalls on these. Newegg was supposed to quit carrying them.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 19, 2005, 08:58:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 19 2005, 04:00 AM)

I was under the impression that they were going to start doing recalls on these. Newegg was supposed to quit carrying them.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 19, 2005, 01:16:00 PM

Hmm. . . it could be. The thing is that it really only seems to be an issue for people who are doing XBOX/PS2 backups. For movies, data, ect. they seem to do just fine. So the only way I see the Pioneer 109 improving is a via a hacked firmware by some genius who is into console backups.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: tutyet on February 19, 2005, 02:21:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 19 2005, 08:22 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 19, 2005, 03:39:00 PM

QUOTE(tutyet @ Feb 19 2005, 02:27 PM)

xbox requiers the dvd burners do be quiet strong becuase burning data or movies is alot "lighter" that buring an iso or an image and you need a good strong that will stand quiet alot of "beating" if you get what i mean!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: tutyet on February 19, 2005, 06:55:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 19, 2005, 07:08:00 PM

Okay.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 22, 2005, 06:42:00 PM

Nero 6.6.0.8 is out does anyone want to risk another disk and post their results on the fourm? I'm fresh out of disks right now or I would. Remember to post firmware, nero version, make of xbox drive and media used. Thanks.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 22, 2005, 07:06:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 22, 2005, 09:39:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 22, 2005, 11:27:00 PM

hey guys try giving clone dvd a try, ive used it since day one and never even touched nero once for an xbox backup, i only use nero for data discs and mp3 disks, in clone dvd select write existing data, check iso/udf, search your hard drive for your xiso location and burn i never had any trouble this way

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 23, 2005, 03:57:00 AM

Is that with a Pioneer 109 though?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 23, 2005, 10:57:00 AM

I'll see if i can get a hold of CloneDVD.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 23, 2005, 11:27:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 23 2005, 04:03 AM)

Is that with a Pioneer 109 though?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 23, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

QUOTE(deacon187 @ Feb 23 2005, 06:33 PM)

i dont have the pionner 109 just yet but will be getting one in the next couple of weeks, if it works for movies thats good enough for me, i could really use the DL -R if the blanks end up being cheaper the the +R, as for xbox back ups i have a A05/105 and a plextor PX716A that both work just fine and i use both burners at the same time most of the time and games play just fine

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 23, 2005, 03:28:00 PM

ok sorry to go off topic but who the hell changed my avitar

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on February 23, 2005, 06:52:00 PM

Clone DVD is also a no go.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 24, 2005, 04:30:00 PM

just a quick question about this drive, my local microcenter has it in stock finally and on their website http://www.microcent...duct_id=0185677 they say the drive supports DVD-R DL but on the pioneer box it doesnt say that it supports it, is this a firmware upgrade that enables DVD-R DL support casue i looked on pioneers website http://www.pioneerel...DetailComponent as well and theres no info on it supporting that format

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 24, 2005, 06:52:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Feb 4 2005, 11:08 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 25, 2005, 12:07:00 PM

well i went and picked this drive up today,still weary about burning DVD-R DL though as only websites selling state that, on pioneer's site is says nothing of the likings, it will be dropping in the PC on sunday morning and test out movies and xbox games, ill post back on sunday to post my results

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 25, 2005, 12:30:00 PM

to late to edit post

heres the specks of the discs i will be using

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Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: imagenius on February 25, 2005, 01:09:00 PM

Would using dvd+r discs on the 109 still have this problem or is it only when you use dvd-r? Do I have to use that special program for all discs that I want to have the xbox read because if not then I'll just use +r's booktyped to dvd-rom.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 25, 2005, 05:07:00 PM

QUOTE(imagenius @ Feb 25 2005, 01:15 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 25, 2005, 10:48:00 PM

It's an interesting theory but to my knowledge, none of the A09/109 drives will work with making console backups unless they are using the modified version of RNM.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 26, 2005, 12:23:00 PM

That is interesting. It seems that Nero V6.3 gets along with it but not the latest 6.6.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 26, 2005, 12:28:00 PM

QUOTE(ebox @ Feb 25 2005, 10:31 PM)

Question those people that are having problems with the Pioneer A09 what motherboard are you using AMD or Intel ?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 26, 2005, 11:14:00 PM

another thing i noticed is on the box it says 256 mb of memory is needed not just recomended, what OS and how much memory does everyone with the problems have, how much memory does nero use, cause if running win XP needs at least 128mb and the pioneer 256mb maybe its a memory problem who knows, ill find out in the morning when i pop this puppy into the pc

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on February 27, 2005, 01:16:00 AM

1GB of OCZ PC3200 DDR

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 27, 2005, 03:49:00 PM

so far so good with the 109

burned onto memorex 8x and verbatim 8x both -R bicyicle casino and inside pitch 2003 and both games loaded just fine

used craxtion4 to make iso and clone dvd to burn image

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: sosotiit on February 27, 2005, 08:50:00 PM

109 Did not work with nero 6.6.0.1 or 6.6.0.8, both firmware 1.09 and 1.17!

After last test with 6.6.0.8 and Fw 1.17, I reinstall my 106 and worked first try.

Will give me a chance to get reacquainted with my recordmax 4.60 and the PX engine. I put the patch, rebooted and first shot on the reinstalled 109 was good.

The PXengine is really amazing, a bit sad that they are not as goof managing the feature and commercial side.
Anyway, Recordmax saved me again

I am intel2.4 on a MSI865PE with Ati videocard.
When I tried to switch with my other PC an intel MB 875 chipset with Nvidia 5600 card, same problem.

soso

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 27, 2005, 10:17:00 PM

ill give it a try with nero tomorrow and see what happens

im running a nforce2 K7 triton KN400pro MB with amd athlon xp 2800+ cpu with 1.5 gigs of ram, win xp pro sp1

so far so good with the cheap microcenter platinum -R and clone dvd as well, havent tried the +R since i have a sammy rom in xbox

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 28, 2005, 03:36:00 AM

Okay, I was just over at rpc1.org and some guy over there said that he got perfect working videogame console ISOs with the Pioneer 109 using a freeware program called burn4free. I will see if I can't track down a link for it. *EDIT* Here it is:

http://www.burn4free.org/

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on February 28, 2005, 06:51:00 PM

pioneer 109, nero 6.3.1.20 = success

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on February 28, 2005, 08:01:00 PM

QUOTE(deacon187 @ Feb 28 2005, 06:57 PM)

pioneer 109, nero 6.3.1.20 = success

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 28, 2005, 09:28:00 PM

Has anyone tried the burn4free software listed above?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 01, 2005, 03:56:00 AM

QUOTE(deacon187 @ Feb 28 2005, 05:57 PM)

pioneer 109, nero 6.3.1.20 = success

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: MasterGamer on March 01, 2005, 05:21:00 PM

I just stumbled accross this topic and see all the troubles everyone is having with the A09, 109 I have had the 109 for over a month now and have not had any troubles at all, I really like the drive.....ACCEPT now that I have a friend who has a Samsung drive. nothing but problems with my 109...but if I use my A06 it works for the Samsung drive.......maybe it is just the Xbox drives? I know it works flawlessly on Phillips and Thompson drives,never a coaster, but I have made a few coasters that were suppose to be for the Samsung Dr.

Just a though....

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 01, 2005, 07:02:00 PM

Yeah, we need firmware for the 109 that let's you set the booktype.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 01, 2005, 10:51:00 PM

i know that not all drives are alike, but i have 2 sammy's and games burned with the 109 work fine, and i just softmodded my sisters box yesterday and she has a sammy too and they work with hers, im using the firmware 1.09 that the drive came flashed with it worked right out of the box so im not updating firmware anytime soon

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on March 02, 2005, 09:45:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 1 2005, 04:34 AM)

Has anyone tried the burn4free software listed above?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 02, 2005, 09:52:00 PM

Good to know. I like to know how many options there are for the drive since there seem to be so many ones that have failed.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 04, 2005, 01:48:00 AM

Nero 6.6.0.6 (burned at 1x with Finalize Disc Checked), Pioneer DVD-109XL (firmware 1.17), Ritek G04 DVD-R, Samsung SDG-605...

First 4 burns of Xbox ISO's, working fine...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 04, 2005, 02:07:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 04, 2005, 03:38:00 AM

QUOTE(feflicker @ Mar 4 2005, 02:13 AM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 04, 2005, 08:45:00 AM

QUOTE

did you install all the software from the disc?

No... I already had Nero Ultra Edition. I won't use RecordNow Max. I have a lot of burning to do, or I would try and stick it out with the A09, but I need something reliable for this weekend, so I am just gonna get an A08...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 04, 2005, 02:27:00 PM

updated nero this morning to 6.6.0.8 and games still burn just fine, havent flashed the 1.17 firmware yet, gonna leave it at 1.09 for a while, on my 105 once you update a firmware theres no way to revert back to an older one

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 04, 2005, 04:44:00 PM

Abandoned this drive... Wasn't worth the hassle to me right now... I am sure it will be the one to have soon, just not that patient!

I went with the Plextor PX-716A, since it was impossible to find a DVR-108 in a store (all stock is now 109)...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 04, 2005, 05:15:00 PM

i have one of those plextors too. works real nice, i like the option drives give you now with changable face plates vs buying a certain color, i put on the black face but left the white bezel, looks pretty neat

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 06, 2005, 07:47:00 AM

QUOTE(feflicker @ Mar 4 2005, 10:51 AM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 06, 2005, 02:28:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 6 2005, 02:53 PM)

It's a shame that you bought another burner just because you were too bullheaded to try RecordNow Max. My friend is a huge Nero fanboy and couldn't burn a working movie or game that would work on his Xbox. I talked him into trying RecordNow Max and now all his disc work in Xbox.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 06, 2005, 08:14:00 PM

QUOTE

Nah, not bullheaded. Just read nothing but bad things about this drive... I actually have RecordNow installed, along with DiscJuggler, Alcohol, etc... I just wanted a burner that I can use any software I want with... And I have a LOT to burn this weekend, that is why I picked up a new burner in the first place, so I wanted something reliable. And well, right now, the 109 isn't the most reliable...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 17, 2005, 04:49:00 PM

Celebration time! All issues with DATA/DVD-Video burned with DVR-109 are resolved. Discs are now being read by my Lite-On 167T and Both Phillips/Samsung xbox drives.

Firmware 1.40 is the answer!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 17, 2005, 07:29:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 17, 2005, 09:56:00 PM

Yep, works for both games and DVDs. Awesome!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 18, 2005, 02:27:00 AM

http://pioneer109.co...topic.php?t=145

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Minx on March 18, 2005, 04:29:00 AM

Even better: There is a 8.40 version that also enables auto-bitsetting of single layer DVD+R, see here. It finally looks like there is a decent firmware for the 109

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Dcoz on March 18, 2005, 11:39:00 AM

I can use nero again not like I want to but yeeeeeaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 18, 2005, 01:27:00 PM

That is great to hear. I'm going to wait a bit though and see if I can't purchase one with this firmware pre-flashed.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 18, 2005, 01:56:00 PM

QUOTE(Slats @ Mar 18 2005, 01:40 AM)

Thank you kindly

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 18, 2005, 02:27:00 PM

That is weird. In the past Pioneer's firmware has always been interchangeable between the OEM and Retail models.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 18, 2005, 05:06:00 PM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Mar 18 2005, 02:02 PM)

Sorry but it will not work on a A09. It's still strictly for DVR-109 OEM users.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 19, 2005, 08:19:00 AM

I ordered one for my other computer from newegg this week. I should have ordered it monday when it was $64 but the price jumped up to $67 when I ordered mine. They are up to $69 now. I figure the prices are going up because the Pioneer has figured out the bugs and they will sell better now. I figure that the 109 will go up in price and the 108 will drop down.

Here's a link to all the Pioneer drives.
http://www.newegg.co...&InnerManu=1167

LOL! You could always get a Refurb for $60.30 + $1 shipping. But why bother when you can get a new one for $9 more.
http://www.newegg.co...129-161R&depa=0

LOL! I just about fell out of my chair when I saw this. $108 for a refurb pioneer 104. What are they smoking or did someone bump their head?
http://www.newegg.co...129-119R&depa=0

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 19, 2005, 12:06:00 PM

Not only that, why the hell do they only give you a $6-$7 discount on a refurb 109 vs. buying one brand new.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 19, 2005, 01:40:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 18 2005, 01:33 PM)

That is weird. In the past Pioneer's firmware has always been interchangeable between the OEM and Retail models.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 24, 2005, 03:00:00 PM

The 1.40 firmware came out today for the A09.
http://www.pioneer-e...ware#fdvdwriter

DVR-A09 1.40
http://www.pioneer-e...A09_FW140EU.EXE

DVR-109 1.40
http://www.pioneer-e...109_FW140EU.EXE

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 24, 2005, 11:48:00 PM

Ok, help me out. I've been trying to follow this thread, but now I have questions...

What's the diff between the A09 and 109 firmware. You imply some features are missing on one.

And I have to ask...riplock?

I just paged back through most of this thread and didn't see an explanation of this.

jesterrace777 and I have been sitting on the sidelines waiting to buy one of these. Someone should run a pool on who will break down and buy on first.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 25, 2005, 12:03:00 AM

as what ive understood is one firmware is for the oem and one is for the retail drive, i have no clue on the difference

i guess ill have to update eventually to get dvd-r9 burning support maybe not

but maybe im a lucky one casue im still using the original 1.09 firmware the drive came with and ive had no trouble at all, and im using the latest nero, i think a lot may have to do with everyones PC's set up as well as the progs using to burn

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 25, 2005, 12:28:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 24 2005, 11:54 PM)

Ok, help me out. I've been trying to follow this thread, but now I have questions...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 25, 2005, 04:58:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 25, 2005, 09:08:00 AM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Mar 24 2005, 11:34 PM)

Little difference between the two. The A09 firmware removes riplock (you can rip DVDs up to 12x, 109 firmware limits to 2x). Also, the A09 firmware lets you use Pioneer's QuietDrive utility to make the drive quiet down (it can be load when reading); this utility is also what allows you to disable riplock by turning on 'Performance Mode'. The buffer is more stable with the A09 firmware as well (109 firmware has the buffer dropping every minute or so, slows burns down by .1-.2x for a little bit). Instructions to flash 109 with A09 firmware can be found over at rpc1.org and probably elsewhere as well.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 25, 2005, 09:31:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 25 2005, 01:54 AM)

jesterrace777 and I have been sitting on the sidelines waiting to buy one of these. Someone should run a pool on who will break down and buy on first.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 25, 2005, 10:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 25 2005, 08:37 AM)

I money goes on Jesterrace777 since this might motivate him.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 25, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 25 2005, 09:14 AM)

Hmmm, is disabling the riplock just part of the firmware, or does it require running a seperate utility/app, which you imply. If so, I doubt there is a Mac OS X version of the app, so I can't use that anyway.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 25, 2005, 01:40:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 25 2005, 04:37 PM)

I money goes on Jesterrace777 since this might motivate him.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 25, 2005, 03:36:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Mar 25 2005, 11:06 AM)

It's a program you only run once; you set your option, apply it, that's it. So really you'd just need access to a Windows box to hook it up, set your option, then you're done. Wouldn't you have to have access to a Windows box to flash it anyways?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 12:46:00 AM

Okay, so to you 109 owners is the firmware upgrade from rpc1.org, self-installing/configuring or do I need a specific program to flash it?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 01:07:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 26, 2005, 01:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 25 2005, 03:42 PM)

Well, at forum.rpc1.org they usually release a Mac native flasher for the Pioneers. Howerver, there isn't one yet for the 109. I doubt they will port this utility to Mac OS X though.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 01:28:00 AM

Los Angeles,CA

Athlon 64 3500+
1gb OCZ PC3200 Rev.2
Ati x800 Pro
DVR-108 in the same machine didnt cause any problems.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 02:12:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 02:21:00 AM

Why? With Firmware 1.40, Xbox backups burned through nero work just fine in my Xbox with a Samsung drive. U should probably be good to burn with the program of your choice now.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on March 26, 2005, 02:40:00 AM

well if you have extra blanks sitting around , burn a few without any of the new firware, if they work then your all good, im not upgrading firmware until the actuall dvd-r9 discs come out and i see problems while trying to use them

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 03:46:00 AM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Mar 26 2005, 09:27 AM)

Why? With Firmware 1.40, Xbox backups burned through nero work just fine in my Xbox with a Samsung drive. U should probably be good to burn with the program of your choice now.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 26 2005, 02:52 AM)

Recordnow Max IS my burning program of choice for data applications (XBMC). Nero and I have been at odds for a long time. Tried 4 different versions over the years and had nothing but problems. Recordnow Max has worked perfectly since day 1.

I do use DVD Decrypter to burn my XBOX ISOs though.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 12:02:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 26, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 26 2005, 11:08 AM)

Okay fellas I broke down and bought one today. I will post back with my results. You win for holding out Mr.Ed.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 26, 2005, 12:48:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 26 2005, 02:18 AM)

I think I am gonna buy the drive tomorrow. I just have to adjust some funds. I will report back with my findings. The only thing that sucks is that I am gonna have to screw around with the hacked update for RNM to get it to work. I use 4.5 quite a bit right now. I just have a 105 though.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 02:30:00 PM

*Jester ducks head as Aron flings brick*

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 26, 2005, 03:05:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 26 2005, 02:36 PM)

See, but I didn't have to deal with that and I got the burner for $15-$20 less.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 04:20:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 26, 2005, 07:12:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 26 2005, 04:26 PM)

Yeah but now the burner is worth it.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 07:15:00 PM

Any of u guys tried the Buffalo 8.40 firmware for the auto bitsetting of DVD+R Single/Dual Layer?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 26, 2005, 09:37:00 PM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Mar 26 2005, 07:21 PM)

Any of u guys tried the Buffalo 8.40 firmware for the auto bitsetting of DVD+R Single/Dual Layer?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 26, 2005, 10:21:00 PM

Just bought some Verbatim 16x DVD+R, Ill be back with results.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 26, 2005, 11:11:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 27, 2005, 12:33:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 27, 2005, 01:17:00 AM

Edit: Forgot to add that it properly set it at DVD-Rom Bitsetting.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 27, 2005, 12:10:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Mar 27 2005, 02:39 AM)

Buffalo is better if you use +R and need to bitset to DVD-ROM. In general, it's worse than the A09's 1.40 firmware because the Buffalo still has riplock (guess that isn't a factor if you don't rip DVDs). Maybe someone will release a hacked firmware that allows bitsetting, no riplock and is RPC1.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 27, 2005, 12:35:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 27 2005, 12:16 PM)

Maybe we can call this hacked firmware "The Aron Parsons Project"?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 27, 2005, 03:19:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 27, 2005, 06:20:00 PM

QUOTE(Aron Parsons @ Mar 27 2005, 07:39 AM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 27, 2005, 06:35:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 27 2005, 05:26 PM)

I rip with a seperate DVD-ROM anyways. It's faster in most cases and it takes wear and tear off of the burner. After my first burner went belly up after only 8 months, I have been very careful. Does the buffalo firmware still offer the -R improvements that V1.40 fixes? That is the most important issue to me. That and I want something that will allow my burner to work with RNM V4.5.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 27, 2005, 07:37:00 PM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Mar 28 2005, 01:41 AM)

It completely identical to the Pioneer 1.40 except for the fact that Buffalo enables DVD-Rom bitsetting for DVD+R Single Layer & Dual Layer automatically. Pioneer only enables it for Dual Layer.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 28, 2005, 10:27:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 28, 2005, 11:05:00 AM

QUOTE(feflicker @ Mar 28 2005, 12:33 PM)

What about the A09-XL?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 28, 2005, 11:14:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 25 2005, 12:28 PM)

Aaaawww gotta get the black bezel version.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 28, 2005, 12:11:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 28, 2005, 12:46:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 28 2005, 02:17 PM)

Looks like Mr.Ed will be joining the ranks as well.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 28, 2005, 02:32:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 28, 2005, 03:03:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: feflicker on March 28, 2005, 03:24:00 PM

No, the XL is actually not external.

http://pioneerelectr...7918120,00.html

Why isn't the new firmware on the US site yet? WTF!

http://pioneerelectr...8163990,00.html

Notice how there is a different firmware download for the A09 and the A09XL? I just assumed there was a difference. The drive I had problems with was an A09XL, not an A09 btw...

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on March 28, 2005, 05:45:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 29, 2005, 06:18:00 AM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 28 2005, 11:52 AM)

And for 99 cents cheaper than you paid. Now he has 99 cents to go buy some Wendys chili with extra meat. user posted image

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 29, 2005, 07:52:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 29 2005, 08:24 AM)

Ok, well...you got me. I ordered it with the black bezel and with this funky enclosure USB/FireWire I also threw in a 3 pack of DVD+R DL Verbatim media so I could try burning RalliSport 2 to see how that works.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on March 29, 2005, 09:59:00 AM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 29 2005, 06:58 AM)

1394a isn't fast enough to do 16X.

Really?! Ack! While I've already started buying FireWire 800 enclosures for some of my external hard drives, I didn't think a DVD burner would need that.

Ok, so a 1X DVD is about 10.6 Mbits/sec, so a 16X DVD would be 169.6 Mbits/s and FireWire 400 (IEEE 1394a) is 400 Mbits/s and FireWire 800 (IEEE 1394b) is 800 Mbits/s...so...assuming FireWire 400 comes even 50% close to its theoretical maximum (and remember FireWire comes much closer to its maximum speed rating than USB does) it should be fast enough for a 16X DVD rip or burn.

I could be wrong though. These are just the numbers I found after a quick search.

The most important thing when buying a FireWire enclosure is to make sure it uses an Oxford chipset for FireWire. No one else is doing the FireWire implementation as well as Oxford.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Glock.45 on March 29, 2005, 12:47:00 PM

My Pioneer DVR-109 is in a USB 2.0 external enclosure with an 80 pin IDE cable and I don't get a bottle neck effect. My rip speeds are very close to those on rcp1.org. Iwould imagine that the 1394a would be fast enough. Pioneer recomends the 80 pin IDE cable for 16X speeds.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 29, 2005, 12:56:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Mar 29 2005, 12:05 PM)

Really?! Ack! While I've already started buying FireWire 800 enclosures for some of my external hard drives, I didn't think a DVD burner would need that.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on March 31, 2005, 08:12:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 31, 2005, 02:18:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: marcus905 on March 31, 2005, 02:45:00 PM

QUOTE(feflicker @ Mar 28 2005, 10:30 PM)

No, the XL is actually not external.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Aron Parsons on March 31, 2005, 04:03:00 PM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Mar 31 2005, 02:24 PM)

Yup, just arrived and installed it yesterday. I wasted no time and upgraded to the V1.40 firmware. Unfortuantely even with the firmware update and the DLL mod for this drive, Recordnow Max V4.5 has some issues. I wanted to keep it simple so I just tried burning a couple of audio CDs yesterday. It burns but it only gets through about the first 9 to 10 tracks and then errors out and ejects the disc. The weird thing is that the first 9-10 tracks play just fine in any CD Player but the rest of them just have errors. Anyways, I am going to give Nero just one more chance to prove itself and pick up the latest version. It definitely looks more userfriendly than the previous versions and thankfully has an option specifically for data discs. This is crucial as I use that feature quite a bit for XBMC applications. Anyways, I will be doing some tests today with DVD-RW discs and if all goes well then I will be doing tests with my TY DVD-R discs. I will report back with my further findings.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on March 31, 2005, 04:22:00 PM

Anyways, this is the very first working burn I have ever had with Nero (audio CD that I mentioned above). Anyways, so the Pioneer 109 is working great with both Nero 6.6.0.8 and good 'ol RNM V4.5. I will be doing further testing with movies and games in the next couple of days. I will keep everyone posted. So as mentioned above, those who are using slower rated CD-R media will probably need to manually adjust the burn speed instead of just setting it at max. It isn't surprising that I got some serious errors on a 16x disc that the burner was trying to burn at 40x.

This is just a small fix though that can probably be taken care of with the next firmware update. Most people won't even run into it since they are using 48x or 52x CD-R media ATM. With DVD Media it autodecects the max speed though.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 01, 2005, 09:09:00 AM

Well, my drive is supposed to arrive today.

I have 1 question for all of you dual layer experts now...is there a way (in the burning software I guess) to tell it what files to put on what layer?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 01, 2005, 07:00:00 PM

I've been testing my 109 today and it is working ok. Just not used to the speed going up and down but it does get up to 12x on 1394a firewire. My 8X disc show up as 12X disc in RecordNow DX.

I can't wait till there is a hacked 1.19 firmware for my 108 so I can burn 12X on these disc.

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID MXL RG03
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 01, 2005, 09:17:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: marcus905 on April 02, 2005, 02:30:00 PM

QUOTE

Read this all of you OEM 109 as me (soon)

http://pioneer109.co...topic.php?t=146

or this if you want the rpc1.org style

http://forum.rpc1.or...er=asc&&start=0
(it applies to the asus 1608, an asus rebrand for the 109, so it will work)

I read back my old post, and i remember i wrote it on a semi-drunk state.

That post is about converting the Pioneer DVR-109 to a Pioneer DVR-A09XL, without riplock and with the support of the QuietDrive utility. Sorry for being jerky and writing when i'm drunk.

= NOT GOOD

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 02, 2005, 03:28:00 PM

With the V1.40 I don't notice any real noise. The only drives that I have complaints about for noise are the stupid Lite-On drives. Sounds like a 747 coming in to land when those things fire up.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 02, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

)

Anyway, sometime this weekend I plan on trying to burn Rallisport 2 to a Double Layer +R disc (I bought a 3pack). I'm struggling though with how I should layout the files. I want to use clonexb, but until version 2.5 is out, it won't support dual layer (at least according to this thread http://forums.xbox-s...0 ) so then I'm trying to figure out if I just burn UDF, or if I should try to find an ISO imager that can handle ISOs bigger than 4.3GB and make an ISO file. Lastly, it appears Toast doesn't let you do anything to designate which files go on which layer, so if I burn UDF, you KNOW the loading times will be bad as everything will pretty much get randomly scattered across the two layers.

Anyway, if anyone has any hints or tips, let me know.

(Oh, and the first thing I did was upgrade the firmware to 1.40. I was able to do it using VirtualPC on my Mac, as the current Mac flashing software only supports up to the Pioneer 108)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 02, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

Oh, I was also surprised by the packaging of the 109. I realize it's an OEM model, so I figured a plain/blank box. Nope...it was just wrapped in bubble wrap and tape. Is that how everyone got theirs or did newegg slip me a refurb?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on April 02, 2005, 05:33:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 2 2005, 04:36 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 02, 2005, 05:42:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 29 2005, 06:58 AM)

I want this funky enclosure for mine. 1394a isn't fast enough to do 16X.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 02, 2005, 05:57:00 PM

QUOTE(oj213 @ Apr 3 2005, 12:39 AM)

Same here, that's how my last few pioneer dvd burners have come. Info sheet and nero oem discs, cable and pack of screws.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 03, 2005, 12:51:00 PM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Mar 29 2005, 06:58 AM)

I want this funky enclosure for mine. 1394a isn't fast enough to do 16X.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 03, 2005, 05:50:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 03, 2005, 05:58:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 03, 2005, 08:35:00 PM

Which media were you using and which firmware revision on the 109? Anyways some 2.4x media burns at 4x on the Pioneer. You could try manually setting it to 2.4x though and see what happens. *EDIT* BTW made a working back up of Sims "the urbs" to 8x Taiyo Yuden TYG02 DVD-R (lame game, I know but my GF loves these games). Selected the D:/ drive and FTP'ed it over to my PC. Then used Qwix to patch the default.xbe (I have an old bios) and then created an ISO of the patched file. Then used DVD Decrypter V3.5.4 (latest version) to burn the ISO to DVD-R. Haven't tried any D/L discs yet.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 04, 2005, 12:15:00 PM

Ok 2nd try worked!

I'm using Verbatum 2.4X DVD+R DL BTW

So this time, I made an ISO first using Extract-XISO then burned the 6+ GB image. Worked great. I also lowered the recording speed from 4X to 2X. Oh, and strangely my software claims the Pioneer was willing to burn to those DVDs on that media at 6X. Have to try that when prices drop.

Anyway, I realized why specifically I messed up last time. I didn't patch the executables. Yes I'm running a bios old enough I still have to patch. Since I mostly make ISOs and do not burn UDF, I forgot that if I do UDF I have to patch manually. Since the first disc I tried which was just UDF, I forgot to patch. BTW I would've used XDVDFSTools which I'm a big fan of, but they don't support dual layer yet. Yes it's a bit embarrassing to admit I made this mistake, but I didn't want to propagate the rumors that DL media doesn't work or is hard to use.

Anyway, it's working and I have one blank DL disc left.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on April 04, 2005, 01:07:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 04, 2005, 01:51:00 PM

Keep an eye on Amazon.com. I have heard that they offer some pretty good D/L deals from time to time. BTW I am going to be taking the ultimate challange. I am going to try to burn a working D/L copy of Gran Turismo 4 for my PS2. Supposedly the team who makes the DMS modchip (Xodus) finally figured out a way around the whole layer seperation protection that is on the game. I will post back with results.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 05, 2005, 06:49:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 3 2005, 01:57 PM)

Hey Wong Hung Lo (slightly off topic...sorry) have you found a good FireWire 800 (1394b) hubs? I've only found a lame 3 port one. My current 1394a hub has 6 ports (all used) and I was hoping to find a similar 6 port or more hub but for 1394b.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 05, 2005, 10:28:00 AM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Apr 5 2005, 04:55 AM)

bout the hub. A quick google search found a 8 port that cost around $159.

$159? Oh, I forgot to tell you, I'm incredibly cheap too.

Seriously though, thanks!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 06, 2005, 04:20:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 5 2005, 11:34 AM)

$159? Oh, I forgot to tell you, I'm incredibly cheap too.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 06, 2005, 10:31:00 PM

Grrr well my FireWire enclosure is giving me issues. It doesn't power the 2nd port so I can't chain a bus powered FireWire drive off of it.

Also, newegg looks like they charge 15% to return something that's broken!? Is that right? That seems really messed.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on April 07, 2005, 01:39:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 3 2005, 05:04 PM)

Double Layer burn...failure.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 07, 2005, 04:54:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 6 2005, 11:37 PM)

Grrr well my FireWire enclosure is giving me issues. It doesn't power the 2nd port so I can't chain a bus powered FireWire drive off of it.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 07, 2005, 08:39:00 AM

QUOTE(Wong Hung Lo @ Apr 7 2005, 03:00 AM)

So don't wait around. Call Newegg ASAP! Then tell them it has a bad port and you'd like to have one that works. I hope the person you talk to is as nice as the one I talked to. I think they will resolve this problem.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 07, 2005, 10:16:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 7 2005, 09:45 AM)

Well I emailed them, and they waived the 15% restocking fee for my return as I wanted a refund. Thanks for the advice.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 08, 2005, 12:09:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on April 08, 2005, 06:19:00 AM

When and if DVD-RW DL comes out. I bet Pioneer wont do a firmware update for the 109/A09 and make us buy the 110/A10 if we want to use these.

JVC Develops World's First Single-sided, Dual Layer DVD-RW Disc Technology

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 08, 2005, 12:28:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Apr 4 2005, 10:21 AM)

Ok 2nd try worked!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 08, 2005, 12:39:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 13, 2005, 02:50:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: oj213 on April 13, 2005, 12:06:00 PM

Yes.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 13, 2005, 12:59:00 PM

Ah okay, thanks. I was going nuts looking through Nero and DVD Decrypter trying to figure out how to manually set the booktype option.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: dmac93 on April 14, 2005, 12:28:00 AM

Nope. Didn't work.

Works fine in my XBOX... won't load in his.

This leads me to believe that, PERHAPS his drive needs new FIRMWARE. Is this possible to do?

I'm annoyed!!!

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 14, 2005, 01:47:00 AM

What firmware revision does your 109 have?

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 14, 2005, 02:23:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on April 14, 2005, 10:30:00 AM

QUOTE(dmac93 @ Apr 14 2005, 12:44 AM)

a-ha! nice, okay so he's running with a THOMSON and me a PHILIPS.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 14, 2005, 11:49:00 AM

Yup, Thomson drives can be pretty picky. And they have a pretty high rate of early failure. This isn't to say that all Thomsons are going to fail early but it certainly could be the Thomson drive. As Mr.Ed said though, give Taiyo Yuden a shot. Not much more expensive at this point and they are definitely of a higher quality than Ritek.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Jibberish18 on April 14, 2005, 12:22:00 PM

I use the Pioneer A109 through a USB 2.0 connection. I haven't used it for tons of stuff but the stuff I have used it for it worked perfectly fine. I have the latest firmare as far as I know and I use SONY 8X DVD-R's.

Oh and I have a Thompson drive that has worked flawlessly for over a year now.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 14, 2005, 01:27:00 PM

QUOTE(Jibberish18 @ Apr 14 2005, 06:28 PM)

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Jibberish18 on April 14, 2005, 02:05:00 PM

Hmmm. I didn't know that mattered. I'll try it out once I get home. They're a milky white color for the up side and for the downside the disc has like a purplish color to it.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 14, 2005, 02:13:00 PM

yeah, that doesn't say much though. The deal is that name brands often outsource. This is why it is important to know which manufacturer it is. Each manufacturer has differing quality standards and so that can make a big impact on the results any given person may have with a certain store brand label. For example, a person with a Memorex DVD+R made by Ricoh might have a very different experience with the quality and compatibility of the disc than some one with a CMC Magnetics produced Memorex DVD+R. Ricoh is much more strict on their quality standards than CMC Magnetics is.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: MasterWork on April 21, 2005, 07:12:00 AM

Hi people, just got my new burner 109 black and some Ritek DL+R. there are over 5 threads with 20 pages each and i read it all LOL, now i'm more confuse than i started off with,

from what i understand people are successfully burning DL by setting bitsetting to DVD-ROM or 109 will auto-set with new firmware. what i'm confused about now from all the mixxed review is

TO ISO or NOT TO ISO?

i hear people doing will with UDF
and some are swearing by Qwix

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 21, 2005, 12:46:00 PM

I see no reason why an ISO that is created with Qwix wouldn't work. I use that method all of the time and haven't had a problem yet.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on April 22, 2005, 04:10:00 AM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on May 23, 2005, 01:52:00 PM

QUOTE

Pioneer DVR-110 Specifications

Scheduled to hit the market in June, the next dual-layer DVD recorder from Pioneer supports 8x DVD+R/-R DL and 16x DVD+R/-R recording.

Basic specifications:

Maximum Write Speed:

16X CAV DVD-R / +R
8X Zone CLV DVD-R DL (Dual Layer), +R DL (Double Layer)
8x CLV DVD+RW
6X CLV DVD-RW
5X Zone CLV DVD-RAM
40X CAV CD-R
32X Zone CLV CD-RW

Maximum Read Speed:

16X CAV DVD-ROM (Single Layer)
12X CAV DVD-ROM (Dual Layer), DVD-R / +R
8X CAV DVD-RW / +RW, DVD-R DL and +R DL
5X Zone CLV DVD-RAM
40X CAV CD-ROM and CD-R
32X CAV CD-RW

Buffer Memory Size: 2Mbyte

Unlike to the expectations of most hardware fans, the specifications of the new DVR-110 do not include support for Blu-ray. Pioneer continues its developments of a Blu-ray drive looking at a July/August timeframe for introduction. However, any progress in the format unification issue could make the company change its developing plans.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on May 24, 2005, 08:13:00 AM

I see that Pioneer Japan just released the 1.50 firmware for the 109/A09.

DVD-writable media list & Higher speed writability by DVR-109 series

DVRA09_FW150EU2.EXE

DVR109_FW150EU2.EXE

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 24, 2005, 01:13:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on May 24, 2005, 01:38:00 PM

BluRay in July/August timeframe?! Drool.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 24, 2005, 04:46:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on May 25, 2005, 09:03:00 AM

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ May 24 2005, 04:57 PM)

Uh, I believe that is read only for Blu-Ray.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Mr Ed on May 25, 2005, 05:52:00 PM

QUOTE(Meridius @ May 25 2005, 01:57 PM)

HI all I own a pioneer 107d and was thinking of getting the 109 or 109xl but would like to know if the xbox writing has been fixed on the 109 since i have had no problems writing them with the 107d, Would you say its worth the upgrade to the 109 will i get xbox writing problems what firmware do i need to make sure has anyone tried the new 1.50 firmware to see what happens.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: deacon187 on May 25, 2005, 11:54:00 PM

thats the weird thing though, im still using the 1.09 firmware that came on the drive and i never had any troubles at all

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 26, 2005, 12:54:00 AM

The version 1.50 firmware is supposed to help out with increased writing speed on certain media. I haven't tried it out yet as I would like to get more feedback on it before I update. I would definitely say that the Pioneer 109 is worth the upgrade, not unless you really feel the need to hold out for the 110.

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on May 26, 2005, 10:58:00 AM

http://buffalo.melco...vm-rdm16fb.html

http://www2.melcoinc...m16fb_fw850.exe

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 26, 2005, 12:40:00 PM

QUOTE(Meridius @ May 26 2005, 06:12 PM)

i see the specs of the 110 are at the top of this page but what are the diffrence between the 109 and 110 is there much or just a couple of things will it blow the 109 out the water ????

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: AgentEB on May 27, 2005, 06:55:00 AM

the new firmware update for 109 is offically out on pioneers website.
you can get the 1.50 firmware here

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 27, 2005, 01:17:00 PM

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on May 31, 2005, 06:17:00 AM

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827129161

But they still have the beige model for $52.99 + free shipping.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827129160

Title: Xbox & Disc Burned With Pioneer 109/a09
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 31, 2005, 12:41:00 PM

Anyone tested out the 4x TY media and see if it can be burned at 8x with the firmware update?

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