Post by: XanTium on November 01, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on November 01, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
A lot of people say "screw em" but there are lots of great products in the Americas and Europe that people pass on by simply because they're not marketed well.
Post by: eatingbabies on November 01, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
more seriously, step up the game on the marketing, its like MS doesnt care. they need to find a way to the japanese gamer and relate to them.
Post by: Johnwinger on November 01, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
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Post by: johnnyrico on November 02, 2007, 04:57:00 AM
if you got the choice between 2 companies from the homeland and 1 company from a land that you were in war with once, what company would you choose?
yes, I know the USA and japan are now very good allies, but still.
indeed, there's also the cultural difference, but really, are sony's games that different from those MS' console has?
I'd say: if it doesn't work out on one market, go to the markets where it does work out and invest in those instead.
Post by: AlexNapo on November 02, 2007, 05:22:00 AM
If you happen to look in US car factory (either GM or Ford) you'll see a lot of Japanese car as well.
They'll always prefer Japanese products over other's. But since they represent such a large market. I think MS has to continue their effort to do well in there.
Post by: justageezer on November 02, 2007, 05:46:00 AM
Japanese gamers seem to like Japanese games - and there just aren't any compelling Japanese games on the 360. And if you've played a representative sample of each platform's games catalogue you'll know what I mean - Japanese games are _different_ to Western ones, the same way that Japanese movies / cartoons etc are different, they not only have their own style but their own values and culture and history - none of which you get from Western games.
Personally I can't stand a lot of these games, so I can appreciate that gamers used to them may not like the types of 'muscle' games that I do like. There are a lot of Japanese games I do like also - and for those again there's just nothing similar on M$'s platform; take Bemani, there's maybe a dozen music / rhythm games on M$ platform, while there are probably hundreds for PS2/3/P, and innovative games like Rez, Katamari, GitarooMan etc etc - while I love FPS and driving games it would be nice to have some of these 'oddities' available without having to buy Sony hardware.
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Post by: kimnkk on November 03, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
QUOTE(AlexNapo @ Nov 2 2007, 10:22 PM) 
Japanese people have always been more "protective" people. When you look in the parking lot of the "Honda" factory, you'll only see honda car.
If you happen to look in US car factory (either GM or Ford) you'll see a lot of Japanese car as well.
Totally different reasons, its not because they're protective their car company/brand. Japanese people are generally a lot more 'honourable' than western people. If you worked at GM and drove a Honda, what is that saying about GM? That one of their own workers aren't confident or don't like their own cars? In Japan, if someone from Honda drove a Toyota they would get fired (or at least they did about 20 years ago, don't know about now) because it says a lot about Honda if their employees don't believe in their own product.
Post by: Libtoem on November 03, 2007, 03:37:00 AM
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Post by: 0794 on November 04, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(steveju @ Nov 3 2007, 05:09 AM) 
"Made in China" - The home of all three consoles out there.
actually, built in China - but made (created, designed, whatever) in the USA...
and MS should continue to market in Japan, but their market is so different than any other with such strange loyalties and game interests that it's just not worth too much of a push...
Post by: SR388 on November 05, 2007, 02:50:00 AM
IMO microsoft should set a subdivision there just for that market (idk if they have one or not really)
Kinda like how there is nintendo of america and sony of america
there should be Microsoft of japan
Post by: popballz on November 05, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: Martinchris23 on November 06, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
QUOTE(nlx420 @ Nov 5 2007, 01:36 AM)
Japanese are very loyal to their products indeed, and american and japanese gamers are very different demographics when it comes to marketing. Ive seen MS try to gain respect from japanese gamers, and are usually turned away at every turn. Us Americans play what we like and drive what we like no matter if most of the machines are really manufactured in "China". It's about fun games, and honestly most japanese games are too kiddy. unrealistic and cartoonish in my opinion (not all). Im impressed with the 360's game lineup so far and not too much with PS3. I don't see how any gamer in any part of the world can ignore marvelous titles that 360 has gave us. In my opinion the Japanese are just hating on somethin good because its U.S. made. Loyalty has brainwashed Japanese consumers to buy things only Japanese which is sad for them because there missing out on some fun games.
I honestly don't believe it has anything to do with the genre of games being distributed in Japan. If what you're saying is true, MGS4 should pan. The reason that some American products succeed in Japan is typically because there's no quality Japanese equivalent. As already stated, the 360 is their loss - I wish MS would just give it up and offer the UK the consoles which aren't selling over there.
Post by: Zoopster on November 06, 2007, 06:43:00 AM
Forget those guys. Their tastes are too weird for an American company to fully understand, nor should it even want to. Let them have their weird-ass games and I'll take our good ones, thanks.
Post by: blaziantiger on November 08, 2007, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Nov 2 2007, 11:57 AM)
I think there's also a bit of pride and other reasons involved.
if you got the choice between 2 companies from the homeland and 1 company from a land that you were in war with once, what company would you choose?
yes, I know the USA and japan are now very good allies, but still.
indeed, there's also the cultural difference, but really, are sony's games that different from those MS' console has?
I'd say: if it doesn't work out on one market, go to the markets where it does work out and invest in those instead.
that's kinda what I was thinking. I think the US is one of the few countries that don't take too much pride in buying things that are home made
Post by: TreyTable on November 10, 2007, 10:22:00 PM
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Post by: Martinchris23 on November 13, 2007, 03:35:00 PM
QUOTE(ceez @ Nov 13 2007, 10:21 PM)
dont japanese only like rpg style games?!?! they're not ready for american games!
As I'd said earlier in this thread, watch the sales of MGS4. By the argument put by the Japanese gamers, it should pan. I'll put a round of drinks on the fact it'll be the #1 seller in Japan.
Post by: pricemeista33 on November 15, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
Go Microsoft, go.
Post by: Mozbius on November 18, 2007, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(eebeejay @ Nov 11 2007, 04:16 PM)
The Japanese. Call it pride, loyalty, arrogance, whatever. It should be expected that they don't care about the 360. They have the "similar" PS3.
Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.
But now the hardware playing field is more level than ever. So If the 360 had the games the Japanese want, they'd buy it, providing that those games were not available for PS3. They'd have to be exclusive to 360, or the Japanese will simply choose the same game(s) on the system of their homeland. Truth be told, we should be doing the same thing (supporting the US born console). I own both. Identical titles, I buy the 360 version. I only have a PS3 for it's exclusives (Warhawk, Turismo, etc).
Huh
Doesn't make much sense to me (I mean I don't see the logic of this post) but then again it doesn't mean you're wrong I guess..
Post by: Martinchris23 on November 18, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(eebeejay @ Nov 11 2007, 04:16 PM)
The Japanese. Call it pride, loyalty, arrogance, whatever. It should be expected that they don't care about the 360. They have the "similar" PS3.
Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.
But now the hardware playing field is more level than ever. So If the 360 had the games the Japanese want, they'd buy it, providing that those games were not available for PS3. They'd have to be exclusive to 360, or the Japanese will simply choose the same game(s) on the system of their homeland. Truth be told, we should be doing the same thing (supporting the US born console). I own both. Identical titles, I buy the 360 version. I only have a PS3 for it's exclusives (Warhawk, Turismo, etc).
I missed this before - sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever.
For starters, the PS3 wasn't out until a year after the 360. There was no 'similar' console in 2005, or for best part of 2006 for that matter.
QUOTE
Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.
This just confused me. The SNES was better than the Genesis, the Playstation was better than the N64 and the PS2 easily outsold the Xbox. So what's your point about hardware?
Most Japanese will tell you the PS2 is better than the Xbox because of the games.
They will then tell you the PS3 is better than the 360 because of the technical aspects.
Bottom line - whatever excuse works, they will choose Japanese over American - even if it means contradicting themselves at every turn.
Post by: 1nsan3 on November 19, 2007, 10:03:00 AM
piss on japan we cant understand them anyways.
Post by: Dwindlin on November 21, 2007, 02:43:00 PM
The reason Japanese gamers don't like the 360 is that they grew up on Playstation and Nintendo products. They've grown accustomed to those consoles exclusive titles, as well as their operation, controllers etc. They're not going to buy a 360 that doesn't have Final Fantasy, MGS, Mario, or any of the other popular exclusive titles for Japanese consoles. Much like over here, people might buy a 360 for Halo 3, because they don't want to miss the next game in their favorite series, in Japan gamers don't want to miss out on the next big Final Fantasy or whatever else. Microsoft would need to rope in some Japanese developers, such as Square, in order to build a market in Japan. I can almost promise you that if the next Final Fantasy game was a 360 exclusive, sales in Japan would jump significantly.
On top of that, marketing hasn't been handled well. I don't think this is the biggest problem, as the 360 offers very little to market to the Japanese gaming community, but it is an issue. I suspect Microsoft chose not to market real hard in Japan for that very reason... they have nothing worth advertising over there. The Japanese community is aware of the 360's big titles (Halo etc) but it's the Final Fantasy and Mario games, for example, they're looking for.
In conclusion, I can't believe there are people in this world that can write the Japanese off as being super honorable or against western technologies. Have you read a book in the last 20 years? Japan isn't that way anymore... educate yourself before making unintelligent posts please
Post by: irnchriz on November 22, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
a) They release kiddy po... no i mean manga type games featuring very young females
They redesign the xbox so its like a life size Japanese schoolgirl with working orificesc) They get Sony or Matsushita to take over xbox japan and pretend that it was 100% Japanese all along and was not made by the country that dropped a couple of a-bombs on them.
job done
Japanese culture is weird (to us , not them) but as an outsider, if you get off on Japanese schoolgirl porn games oops I mean dating simulations, you should march yourself down to your local cop shop and sign up on that old sex offender register.
Post by: mr2000jp on November 23, 2007, 04:34:00 AM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Nov 2 2007, 01:57 PM)
I think there's also a bit of pride and other reasons involved.
if you got the choice between 2 companies from the homeland and 1 company from a land that you were in war with once, what company would you choose?
yes, I know the USA and japan are now very good allies, but still.
indeed, there's also the cultural difference, but really, are sony's games that different from those MS' console has?
I'd say: if it doesn't work out on one market, go to the markets where it does work out and invest in those instead.
i know that the games that is famous in japan are from different genre than the ones in the us , japanese games are more like rpg and adventure , and its been like that for a very long time , but the american favourite type are the action games , the main reason the 360 isnt doing good there is just because " the console is sooo american"
microsoft is trying lately to brake this rule and co-operate with some japanese developers , but a few titles isnt a real change , they need hundreds of exclusives , this way they will succeed , and about the other consoles , they have all the big hits from the american style games on their consoles , and there is a lot of , but they still have the lot of japanese titles (that most of them are "unheared of" in the us), thats what makes them ,succeed in both countries.
you're the man hopeful you said what is exactly the main matter , i totally agree with you
QUOTE(Hopeful @ Nov 20 2007, 05:32 AM)
What is up with all the morons and inbred bigots in this thread?
The Japanese aren't "haters" or "conspirators" trying to "stop all western products from succeeding" in their "homeland". That's not only a moronic bigot theory, but is extremely closed-minded and patronizing.
A majority simply aren't finding FPS to be the most orgasmic games in the world. I for one have to agree.
Hell I'm an American and I'M getting tired of most games being clunky run-vehicle-pop games, with new explosions and occasional "experience point" systems for "variety".
The Japanese market, whether you like to admit it, is simply bored and unimpressed at the stale and clunky 'shooter' thing. Which dominates 80 percent of the 360's library.
The truth is, they're not going to run out and buy a system monopolized by one stale genre, when they're booming with silky eastern-styled graphics, wonder-filled jRPGs, RELAXING games of skillful finesse without white-knuckled stress, and exotic genre-blends STUFFED with wonder.
Marketing has nothing to do with it. The game library is THE SOLE THING making the 360 uninteresting in Japan. Even the PS3 isn't selling in miracle numbers, simply because its library isn't up to par either. The wii constantly sells like hotcakes EVERYWHERE even though it's only as powerful as the xbox1, because the game genres are more imaginitive than run and pop.
You can be reasonably sure the Japanese are NOT sitting around thinking "I WANT to like shooters, but they're western."
They just AREN'T entertained by the stale FPS flavor, and no commercial will fool them into THINKING they are.
I love my 360 but only mostly for the few games that aren't FPS/Mil. Blue Dragon, Assasin's Creed, Eternal Sonata, Fight Night, PGR4 and a couple of the less traditional shooters. (Prey, Mass Effect) The promise of a horizon filled with tons of JRPGs and exciting japanese-type games are crucial to why I opted for 360.
I would say, without a doubt, getting a FLOOD of Japanese style games along with our western-style games is CRUCIAL for sales both in the west AND east.
Anyone think dat aint true be liein out dey ass.
you're the man hopeful you said what is exactly the main matter , i totally agree with you
Post by: Collymilad on November 24, 2007, 04:38:00 AM
If a market would rather play Train Simulator 17 or Dragonball Z Budukoi Tenshuoko XXXIXIX than Mass Effect or Gears of War they are a lost cause.
Post by: iluvretro on November 26, 2007, 01:17:00 PM
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Post by: Eksyte on November 27, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
I doubt they'll become extremely mainstream any time soon, but I don't think they should stop trying to get into the Japanese market. Japan regularly produces ingenuity and M$ has a lot of good things going right now, so if they could sway Japanese gamers and companies to support them, we would probably see some really cool stuff come out.
Post by: woody98 on November 29, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
But if Microsoft was serious about the Jap market, they could simply pay Square Enix to make a Final Fantasy or a sequel to Chrono Cross that is 360 exclusive. The Japs would go crazy and eat up the Xbox. We all know they love their JRPGs. It's like crack to them.
Post by: ThaCrip on November 29, 2007, 10:41:00 PM
cause if that dont work i dont think anything will.
Post by: Hopeful on December 02, 2007, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Collymilad @ Nov 24 2007, 12:38 PM)
Screw them if they don't know a good thing.
If a market would rather play Train Simulator 17 or Dragonball Z Budukoi Tenshuoko XXXIXIX than Mass Effect or Gears of War they are a lost cause.
If you think "they don't know a good thing" because they don't prefer simple western shooters over everything amazing they already have, I TRULY feel sorry for you.
I think the fact that a lot of Americans think this way is why most of the world sees us as simple, biggoted idiots. And they're completely right.
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Post by: bucko on December 03, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
I hardly see any japanese 360 news on the X-S main page...do they even have an headquarters there like here in the UK?
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Post by: (c)S on December 04, 2007, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Hopeful @ Dec 2 2007, 09:22 PM)
If you think "they don't know a good thing" because they don't prefer simple western shooters over everything amazing they already have, I TRULY feel sorry for you.
I think the fact that a lot of Americans think this way is why most of the world sees us as simple, biggoted idiots. And they're completely right.
I think most of the people saying forget japan..etc.etc are just little kids with no actual knowledge of video games. Where do they think most of the games we play come from (ex: Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry,Ace Combat, Tekken, Metal Gear,Castlevania,etc.. SHALL I GO ON?) They are the ones with the MOST game experience and they know how to make great games (RESIDENT EVIL). Now picture if none of these games ever came out. I know more than 3/4 of you guys have enjoyed one of the above mentioned and there's loads more but just don't have he time to post the all.
Did you guys forget who started this game console craze in the US? If you haven't played NES, MASTER SYSTEM, GENESIS when they were the console(s) to get , Then you really have no idea. Most of you guys really have no idea what you are rambling about.
CAPCOM , SQUARE ENIX, KONAMI, SEGA, KOEI, etc... Too many to type in, but these companies alone, more thn 80% of people here, have purchased a game from them. Stop the hypocrisy!
Those of you with ill feeling over japan's non-partcipating in 360 are wrong. I played with many japanese people on LIVE (LOST PLANET - Another jap made game) and if M$ would actually cater to their likings then maybe it will take off in japan. They dont really care for a shooter's market as we blood thirsty americans are used to. Ever other game in our collection consists of 1st person/3rd person shooters and a few platformers/sports games. Look ta us as well, buy MADE IN THE USA!! Support our country! Its that they are just a bit more loyal to their homeland than we are. They have the discipline/smarts that we (i painfully admit) lack! I feel sad for those who say M$ rules gaming. LMFAO!!!!!!
TAKE THE BLUE PILL AND WAKE UP FROM YOUR DELUSIONAL STATE OF MIND!!
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Post by: evilcharley on December 04, 2007, 12:43:00 PM
Post by: arcticblue on December 04, 2007, 11:43:00 PM
Microsoft got off to a bad start in Japan and it's too late to recover now that the PS3 is out. If MS wants to make another system, they better start encouraging developers to make a wider variety of games and they better find a cute, lovable mascot or it just won't sell in Japan.
Post by: Quest on December 07, 2007, 04:59:00 AM
Otherwise, they should just drop Japan and put the effort into Europe and the USA.
Post by: scientific on December 10, 2007, 03:19:00 PM
I say we keep all of our efforts Americanized. How much money does M$ need? How many Fords, GM's and Chryslers do they sell in Asia? I'm very sure it's not that many. Is that also due to lack of marketing? Most likely not. When you don't want something, there's really no effective way to persuade them into it.
You have to make them want it. To do this, keep it out of their contries reach. Continue to develope titles we Americans love. Football, Basketball, auto racing and shot gun blasting shooters. we should not have to cater
to their desires. I mean who if anyone even rented Blue Dragon? Now there's even more talks of developing
games for these easterners. They have their play station, let Sony feed them those lame RPG's with subtitles and giberish for dialogue they love so much.
Let the rest of the free world in on the excitement of a 360 then when they finally do start to export them back to Asia, I say paint the console Red White & blue with a bold inscription of Made in the USA on the face.
Post by: Tony42077 on December 11, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(AlexNapo @ Nov 2 2007, 12:22 PM)
If you happen to look in US car factory (either GM or Ford) you'll see a lot of Japanese car as well.
That's total BS. Have you ever worked for a american car company? I did some work for Ford once, and drove into the plant in a GM car and they flipped out. An associate of mine arrived in a Toyota; they told him to drive something else to the plant or we would lose the account. Americans can be just as proud as the kamikaze japs.
Don't just assume things based on what you see on the road. If you work for that company, you have to drive their cars.