Topic: Mame + Neogeo Games Accordingly To Their Screensizes (Read 781 times)

Cospefogo · « **on:** November 11, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »

Games that are
304x224

3 Count Bout
Andro Dunos
Aggr. of Dark Kombat
Art of Fighting 1
Art of Fighting 2
Art of Fighting 3
Breakers
Baseball Stars 2
Burning Fight
Crime Fighters
Crossed Swords
Cue Brick
Cyber Lip
Emerald
Flipshot
Galaxy Fighter
Ganryu
Gowcaizer
Ghost Pilots
Irritating Maze
King of Fighters 94~04
Kizuna Encounter
Konami 88
King of the Monsters 1
King of the Monsters 2
League Bowling
Legend of Success Joe
Last Resort
Magical Drop 2
Magical Drop 3
Matrim Melee
Missing in Action
Metal Slug 1
Metal Slug 2
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug 4
Metal Slug 5
Metal Slug X
Mutation Nation
Ninja Combat
Ninja Command
Neo Bomber
Neo Drift
Nightmare in the Dark
Panic Bomber
Puzzle Bobble 2
Pre-Historic Isle 2
Robo Army
Strikers 1945
Samurai Spirits 3
Samurai Spirits 5
Savage Reign
Super Dodge Ball
Sengoku Densho 2
Sengoku Densho 3
Shock Troopers 1
Shock Troopers 2
S.P.Y. - Special Project Y
SNK Versus Capcom
SNK Versus Capcom Plus
TNMT 1
TNMT 2
Twinkle Star Sprites
Vendetta
View Point
World Heroes 2
Windjammers
Zed Blade
Zupapa

Games that are
320x224

After Burner 1~2
Alex Kidd
Alien Syndrome
Alpha Mission 2
Altered Beast
Alien Storm
Aurail
Blue's Journey
Blazing Star
Bonze Adventure
Cameltry
Continental Circus
Captain Tomaday
Dynamite Dux
Dead Connection
Devil World
Don Doko Don
Double Dragon 5
E-Swat
Fatal Fury 1~2~3
Gaia Crusaders
Garou
Golden Axe
Gratia - Second Earth
Growl (Runark)
Hang On
Hot Chase
Hyper Duel
Kuri Kinton
Last Blade 1~2
Logic Pro 1~2
Magician Lord
Mega Blast
Metal Black
Moon Walker
Mouja
Nastar
Ninja Master
Outrun
Overtop
P-47 Aces
Puzzle Bobble
Power Instinct
Pulirula
Pulstar
Rambo 3
RBout FFury 1~2~Sp
Riot City
Samurai Spirits 1
Samurai Spirits 2
Samurai Spirits 4
Selfeena
Sengoku Densho 1
Super Hang On
Shadow Dancer
Shinobi
Silent Dragon
Sonic Wings 2~3
Space Invaders DX
Spin Master
Super Spy
Tao Taido
Thunder Fox
Tengai
Top Hunter
Thrash Rally
Waku Waku Seven
Wonder Boy 3
World Heroes 1~ Perfect

Games that are
320x240

Aligator Hunt
Bomberman World
Block Out
Battle Master
Bonk Adventure
Battle Shark
Cadash
Captain Avenger
Charlie Ninja
Chase HQ
Combatribes
Double Dragon 3
Demon World
GoGo Mile Smile
Great 1000 Miles Rally
Gunforce 1~2
Gussun Oyoyo
Hellfire
Hook
In The Hunt
Knuckle Bash
Mutant Fighter
Mystic Rider
Puzzloop
Rastan
Robocop 2
Rohga Armor Force
R-Type Leo
SCI
Shadow Force
Super Trio
Terra Force
Thunder Zone
Undercover Cops
Wizard Fire
Zero Wing

Games that are
288x224

Aliens
Asterix
Beraboh Man
Block Hole ~ Quarth
Boxy Boy
Dragon Buster
Exvania
Genpei Toumaden
Gokujou Parodius
Kozure Okami
Marvel Land
Metamorphic Force
Metro Cross
Mirai Ninja
Marchen Maze
Mystic Warriors
Pacland
Parodius
Rally X
Rolling Thunder 2
Salamander 2
Sexy Parodius
Shadow World
Sky Kid
Splatter House
Sunset Riders
Tank Force
Twin Bee Yahoo
Thunder Cross 1~2
Toypop

Games that are
256x224

64th Street
Avenging Spirit
Bionic Commando
Choplifter
Chuka Taisen
Columns
EDF
Elevator Action
Flicky
Ghouls'n Ghosts
Haunted Castle
Ikari 3
Insector X
Jungle King
Kabuki Klash
Konami GX
Life Force
Magmax
My Hero
P-47 Aces
Pitfall 2
Pole Position
Pole Position 2
Prisoners of War
Pre-Historic Isle
Roller Jammer
Rock'n Rage
Rygar
Shadow Warriors
Snow Bros
Solomon's Key
Strato Fighter
Street Smart
Tiger Road
The New Zealand Story
Toki
US AAF Mustang
Wndrboy MonsterLand
Wild Fang
Yie-Ar Kung Fu

Games that are
256x240

Act-Fancer Cybernetick
Bad Dudes DragonNinja
Boulder Dash
Crude Dudes
Caveman Ninja
Cobra Commando
Dark Seal
Ed Randy
Real Ghostbusters
Karnov
Mad Motor
Midnight Resistance
Oscar
Robocop
Section Z
Sly Spy
Trojan

Games that FIT on
224x256
with a small CROP of the top

1942
1943
1943 Kai
Arkanoid
Bagman
Bakuretsu Breaker (Shmup)
Battlantis (Shmup)
Bomb Jack
Circus Charlie
Commando
Congo Caper
Cyber Battle
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong 3
Donkey Kong Jr
Exed Exes
Frontline
Final Star Force
Cosmo Police Galivan
Gemini Wing (Shmup)
Gun.Smoke
Gyruss
Ka-Ge-Ki
Kiki Kaikai
Kyros
Pooyan
Raiden
Road Fighter
Sky Adventure
Sky Smasher
Sky Soldier
Terra Cresta
Time Pilot '84
Twinbee
Vulgus
Zaxxon

Games that are
240x224

City Connection
Double Dragon 1
Double Dragon 2
Green Beret
Iron horse
Jail Break
Mr. Goemon

Notes:

- This is not a ultra-super-complete list of games, the titles listed
here are the most famous and the most important games, or - the
games I really care about and play. I really don't mind about the
missing titles, so if you can't find a game on the list, don't lose
your time asking me if I have more info about it.

- To learn more about how to setup several Mame CoinOPS to be able
to have the games running on their native and correct screen aspect ratio,
please visit my website here --- http://fancyxbox.info

Best regards,
Cospefogo.

Likklebaer · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2009, 07:10:00 PM »

Games that are designed to be stretched to a standard 4:3 arcade monitor:

All of them.

gilles9999 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:09:00 PM »

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Nov 12 2009, 03:10 AM)

Games that are designed to be stretched to a standard 4:3 arcade monitor:

All of them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I can't be ok with you likklebaer,
when you compare the left screen (correct pixel ratio, and the right screen (stretched to fit a 4/3 tv)

(IMG:http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/1/11/12/f_19tjdu4oprm_a031ab3.gif)

You see the left screen was the original screen disigned by the artists;
In fact the videogames artists at time didn't have in mind how exactly their games would look on a crt tv (there was so many differents tv's in all the countries...)

So for me it is very important to play with the correct pixel ratio to enjoy the original work of the graphic artists...
It's the same if you compare a dvd film, and say: most people look dvd'd in stereo, but if you are a purist you will enjoy the film a lot more in 5.1 (to appreciate the work of the musicians on the film)

p.s.: i'm a veteran member of the pixel perfect world sect of guru Cospefogo since the beginning

This post has been edited by gilles9999: Nov 12 2009, 11:10 PM

Likklebaer · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:34:00 AM »

The comparison should look like this really:

(IMG:http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8956/8476a.png) ...... (IMG:http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5393/8476b.png)

I'm not a graphic artist, I'm a gamer. I like my SNES games to look like a SNES. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by Likklebaer: Nov 13 2009, 11:42 AM

DarthMingus · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:43:00 AM »

This is great Cospefogo, thank you for your hard work!!

ressurectionx · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:01:00 AM »

Any chance we could get these implemented in CoinOps so we don't have to program this stuff on our own?

Cospefogo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:44:00 AM »

QUOTE(ressurectionx @ Nov 13 2009, 12:01 PM)

Any chance we could get these implemented in CoinOps so we don't have to program this stuff on our own?

Hey ReX!
No chances at all.
BP said he really will not implement such a feature.

My dream is a CoinOPS that handles the screensizes just like Xport emulators.
Every game could have its very own sreensize with no need of any kind of XBE hacking or other trick.

Best,
C.

gilles9999 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:37:00 PM »

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Nov 13 2009, 11:34 AM)

The comparison should look like this really:
(IMG:http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8956/8476a.png) ...... (IMG:http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5393/8476b.png)
I'm not a graphic artist, I'm a gamer. I like my SNES games to look like a SNES. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

your right pic is stretched (circles aren't circles; and the floor grid is strectched too)
ok with this, but YOU CAN't have this on our xbox without BLUR(xbox resolution is different than a snes, of course) at least you can't have this if all the filters (software and hardware) are desactivated
The only way to have a stretched "correct" screen would be to use a hardware filter like "bilinear"
but Cospefogo and me (and many others for sure) we totally dislike the BLUR produced by all those filters on our standard tv (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
That's why if you don't want this damn blur and if you want a sharp screen, follow the cospefogo guide (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

p.s.: i totally understand if a lot of peoples like to play with a lot of filters, it's a different way of thinking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

BritneysPAIRS · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2009, 02:42:00 PM »

I wont add in the feature the way people wanted cause its just plan silly...I said I could in minutes add a switch to use defualt res with no scaling ( also the switch would turn off filters and center it) and for Cospefogo to log onto MSN and work with me for a few hours to get it in. This never happen (and was requested to do so more than once) but it did happen with screenrotation someone had the same deal with me and he had it in the build in about 10mins. I can lead a house to water but I cant make it drink (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) its silly to resize every game when you just want the scaling turned off IMO

and yes I have no desire for this stuff at all otherwise it would have been in, but i need someone test this and also this was the same with player 2 control switching patch and more

This post has been edited by BritneysPAIRS: Nov 13 2009, 10:43 PM

ressurectionx · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2020, 05:12:00 PM »

Yeah. It doesn't matter much to me either way. It would be nice if somebody put this information to use for us though.

FrankMorris · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2020, 06:57:00 PM »

2 totally different goals:

(Left images) Because you're running the emulator, not the original machine, you FINALLY can make it to look how it was 'made to be look'.
Circles will be circles finally. No other distortions. And goddammit NO BLUR!!. Definitely my choice.

OR

(Right images) You want it to look as close as possible how it appeared on the original machine.

(IMG:http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5325/42762166.png)

(IMG:http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7691/53751078.png)

(IMG:http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6848/73429518.png)

(IMG:http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/221/84225113.png)

Sorry for low connection users (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

This post has been edited by FrankMorris: Yesterday, 04:40 AM

Likklebaer · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:11:00 PM »

QUOTE(gilles9999 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:37 PM)

your right pic is stretched (circles aren't circles; and the floor grid is strectched too)
ok with this, but YOU CAN't have this on our xbox without BLUR(xbox resolution is different than a snes, of course) at least you can't have this if all the filters (software and hardware) are desactivated
The only way to have a stretched "correct" screen would be to use a hardware filter like "bilinear"
but Cospefogo and me (and many others for sure) we totally dislike the BLUR produced by all those filters on our standard tv

That's why if you don't want this damn blur and if you want a sharp screen, follow the cospefogo guide

p.s.: i totally understand if a lot of peoples like to play with a lot of filters, it's a different way of thinking

Obviously blur is noticeable in those shots above. But when I test it on my Xbox I really can't see a big difference between the pixel-perfect settings and bilinear filtering, Simple2x, and flicker filter at 0. Both look equally sharp to me. Maybe it's my eyes. Any chance of some comparison screens with these settings?

And of course the vertical size should be the same with either method. Since only the horizontal was stretched on the original video output.

Likklebaer · « **Reply #12 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(FrankMorris @ Nov 14 2009, 03:57 AM)

2 totally different goals:

(Left images) Because you're running the emulator, not the original machine, you FINALLY can make it to look how it was 'made to be look'.
Circles will be circles finally. No other distortions. And goddammit NO BLUR!!. Definitely my choice.

OR

(Right images) You want it to look as close as possible how it appeared on the original machine.

Your screenshots all have a black background and so conveniently don't show the ugly black bars that would appear either side of the screen on a 4:3 TV. When we compare the same with a couple of bright games like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda things look quite different.

IPB Image

......

The reason the SNES was made to stretch the image to fill the screen is because nobody really wants to play games with unsightly black borders at the sides. If my SNES had looked like that when I bought it, I would've taken it back and traded it for a Megadrive.

FrankMorris · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2020, 07:58:00 PM »

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Nov 14 2009, 04:11 AM)

Obviously blur is noticeable in those shots above. But when I test it on my Xbox I really can't see a big difference between the pixel-perfect settings and bilinear filtering, Simple2x, and flicker filter at 0. Both look equally sharp to me. Maybe it's my eyes. Any chance of some comparison screens with these settings?

Yea those settings shouldn't cause any blur.

EDIT: Oh I retract that, you using bilinear filtering, which indeed cause some blur too.

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Nov 14 2009, 04:38 AM)

The reason the SNES was made to stretch the image to fill the screen is because nobody really wants to play games with unsightly black borders at the sides. If my SNES had looked like that when I bought it, I would've taken it back and traded it for a Megadrive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

True. Like I said 2 totally different goals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by FrankMorris: Yesterday, 12:07 PM

ressurectionx · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2020, 08:06:00 PM »

I kinda gotta agree with Likklebaer on this one.

My eyes aren't so hot. I can barely tell the difference between the shots, let alone during gameplay.

Even my blind eyes can see those bars though. Never been a fan of letterbox.

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