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[FrankMorris]

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Nov 14 2009, 04:38 AM)

Your screenshots all have a black background and so conveniently don't show the ugly black bars that would appear either side of the screen on a 4:3 TV. When we compare the same with a couple of bright games like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda things look quite different.

Ok, updated the pics to use same height (298x224 = 4:3).
Those black backgrounds was just bad luck cos I was hunting perfect circles and squares. Conveniently can't see any in your screens (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[cbagy]

Well just to add my opinion, i dont care whether i see black bars or not. As long as the game is scaled correctly which usually leads to black bars. I use a HD TV so i have black bars on everything anyway so im used to it. Screen stretching causes problems with mame variants with LightGun games, plus it looks damn awfull. Everyone has their own method though, so which ever you choose, as long as your happy with it then no harm done to anyone.

[Consoleman!]

QUOTE(ressurectionx @ Nov 13 2009, 10:06 PM)

I kinda gotta agree with Likklebaer on this one.  

My eyes aren't so hot.  I can barely tell the difference between the shots, let alone during gameplay.  

Ressurectionx has a valid point, but the reason behind the perceived similarities is due to the fact that the screen shot examples on this page appear as if they were taken from a PSP as opposed to a 40" tv screen.  

Naturally, the smaller the image the less pronounced the issues are.  

On a CRT set that requires some degree of flicker filtering, the lack of proper point filtering can make reading text in some games quite difficult and make small features like a character's eyes blur into the surrounding pixels which makes them appear completely out of focus.  

While point filtering doesn't remove all of the blur, it removes the blur associated with bilinear filtering, which means happy gaming on a CRT, while removing the last remaining obstacle toward achieving pixel perfect emulation on an HDTV.

[Consoleman!]

QUOTE(BritneysPAIRS @ Nov 13 2009, 04:42 PM)

I wont add in the feature the way people wanted cause its just plan silly...I said I could in minutes add a switch to use defualt res with no scaling ( also the switch would turn off filters and center it) and for Cospefogo to log onto MSN and work with me for a few hours to get it in. This never happen (and was requested to do so more than once) but it did happen with screenrotation someone had the same deal with me and he had it in the build in about 10mins. I can lead a house to water but I cant make it drink its silly to resize every game when you just want the scaling turned off IMO

and yes I have no desire for this stuff at all otherwise it would have been in, but i need someone test this and also this was the same with player 2 control switching patch and more

I agree.  Let's pin the blame on Cospefogo.  That damn Cospefogo.  Heck, he's probably in cahoots with the 2 or 3 random online guys who forced you to discontinue the CoinOPS project.

At the end of the day, we all know you could've added a no scaling option in your sleep if you really wanted to.  

[Likklebaer]

QUOTE(BritneysPAIRS @ Nov 13 2009, 11:42 PM)

...and for Cospefogo to log onto MSN and work with me for a few hours to get it in. This never happen (and was requested to do so more than once)...

I don't think anyone who follows your posts could be blamed for not wanting to spend hours on MSN with you.    

[Cospefogo]

Jesus guys...
You are mixing the things here...

Listen - a SNES run the game on full screen, stretched, with no black bars, by ITS VERY OWN hardware. I mean, the screen is ever 256x224 inside SNES engine, and it fits on the screen by some internal SNES procedure. Plain as that. There is no distortion. The game is stretched BUT NOT BY re-dimensioning the screensize, but by doing use of some kind of feature (native on the original console) that changes the pixel aspect ratio. I mean.. the 256 on witdh IS STILL 256 on width, on a SNES machine.

Now, let's talk about XBOX. Xbox is 640x480. TO have the SNES correct inside you SHOULD use a 512x448 screen, it will be on correct aspect ratio. When you guys STRETCH the screen, you are not changing the pixel aspect ratio (something like transforming the pixel from a square shape to a rectangular shape) but you are changing the DIMENSION of the original screen artwork. You are getting a canvas/screen with 256 pixels on width and you transforming/distorting it to, for example, 280 pixels. This is distortion. You are breaking the original aspect ratio.

BUT, 99.9999% of the people will never notice it, because 99.9999% of people use a BILINEAR mode, where the blur MASKS everything.

I don't want to start a fight here, I just want to share knowledge.
I respect everybody personal taste.
Anybody with their own worlds.

And BP, sometimes I don't have free time to go to MSN. Sorry.

Best regards,
Compañeros!
Cospefogo.

[BritneysPAIRS]

OK im not interested then as well you guys arnt interested in fixing it and just want to talk about it....good luck

it will be easy for anyone to fix it is in xbox_Direct3DRenderer.cpp search for " CreateRenderingQuad " its only a few min job for someone maybe an hour if you add it as an option and automatically turn off the filters when its enabled anywhere.

PS ive worked with maybe 30 people on this with no worries at all...its you guys that are shooting yourselves in the foot and think its me causing the issues.....oh well you can lead a hourse to water you cant make it drink (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) just keep talking about it forever or add the switch im sick of talking about it when the job is easy as...enjoy your debate

and no Cospefogo was fine (ive a stated the people ive had issues with publically I havent hidden stuff from you, make about what ever you want and read what you want into stuff but I wrote exactly what I felt and directed it to who I wanted) in fact really good when I talked to him, just he never found the time to help me add this and test this (I gave him the basic maths even of how the code works there is a few rounding issues he will be aware of ) as I know of some issue he has with his saves that need sorting (NTSC has diff lines than PAL as does 720P so the coding needs altering to take this into consideration) anyway he was a fine person and I wasnt going to add this myself and test it as I wasnt interested in it and actually dont look at the finer details of this stuff, so you can go on about conspiricy theories its fun I guess and talk all you guys want.....

This post has been edited by BritneysPAIRS: Yesterday, 11:20 PM

[Cospefogo]

Hey hey guys!
Peace for everybody!!

Matter of fact I did reach my goal of pixel perfect by installing several CoinOPS and I am pretty satisfied with it. And of course and am super happy with all the new features and adjustments provided by BP. I keep saying and saying, thanks for this awesome emulator. I used to be a fan of HK$ Mameox128, but CoinOPS is the best one for me now.

Cheers, guys.
And I hope the info I provide here could be useful to some other Pixel guy!

Cospefogo.

[FrankMorris]

QUOTE(Cospefogo @ Nov 14 2009, 08:07 PM)

Listen - a SNES run the game on full screen, stretched, with no black bars, by ITS VERY OWN hardware. I mean, the screen is ever 256x224 inside SNES engine, and it fits on the screen by some internal SNES procedure. Plain as that. There is no distortion. The game is stretched BUT NOT BY re-dimensioning the screensize, but by doing use of some kind of feature (native on the original console) that changes the pixel aspect ratio. I mean.. the 256 on witdh IS STILL 256 on width, on a SNES machine.

Yes it's true that there isn't pixel distortion in the original SNES and the picture is 256x224, but circles and squares still appear stretched or can I say distorted on SNES, due to different pixel aspect ratio (PAR) as you said. And as we know there's no way to get Xbox output native 256x224 fullscreen. That's why people, who aim to "original SNES feeling" need to use 'as close as possible' values, because they won't never reach the original PAR of course.

Thanks for the lists btw!  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[BritneysPAIRS]

no worries Cospefogo its all good info if you ever want a proper patch you know what to do.... but its all good

I am just sick of people thinking they know whats going on when they are making stuff in there own heads really...just cause your not paraniod doesnt mean they arnt watching you. I get the blame for so much stuff when all ive done is help really, and people that arnt in the loop love to make stuff up and tell people its true when the people that develop with me think its funny (but in the end they to were pissed at some stuff that was going done on more than just forum fronts so decided its best underground to not let the haters get the drop on whats happening and to help protect there interests). But ill retain the voice although its kind of pointless and sad people wont listen they will just tell me whats happening. There is so much happening in the background now that I know none of you have a clue about. It sad its best its left that way to help it move along...really sad for the many really

Its good Cospefogo  is supplying info and helping people out that want this feature, its rare really that people do any work at all most people just alk really...so good on you for making what you want happen and passing it on...other that help me and myself arnt interested at present but it doesnt mean with support it wont be added as a hidden setting and of course patchs goes in very quickly if they dont clutter the EMU (as seen by USB support...trackball Support...iq stuff just some examples)

This post has been edited by BritneysPAIRS: Today, 02:24 AM

[ressurectionx]

Allright.... first, let me preface this with saying that I'm drunk enough to misspell my first word of the post, A'ight?


I don't know what ill will is had against BP here, and I don't want new stuff springing up on him from bad feelings a long time ago.

If you want to know bad feelings with BP, I'm sure you could dig up old threads (possibly my MAME thread) where I posted pictures of his conversations with me on another site.  We flung a lot of crap at each other before, and he was able to piss me off like nobody I ever talked to on the internet could.

In the end, I believe he is a genius.  It's not kissing ass.  It's just that as I believe I can come up with ideas that nobody has ever thought of before, but I do not have the skills to implement them.  I even put him down as just a tinkereer before, but whether you love him or hate him or are somewhere in between, he's doing something that nobody else is.  I didn't understand that until I worked on the Xtras publicly as long as I have.  

I think people need to just learn to read his colorful diatribes a little differently and realize that his natural internet demeanor is to be insulting.  I don't think he even realizes how insulting he can be sometimes.


Anyways... in a weird way, he's my friend.  I sure got a hell of a lot of respect for him, knowing how long it can really feel when you've been heading up a project like this for so long.



Respect, and peace.  We're all in this together.


If you guys took two seconds to give the illusion you had respect for each other in your posts from both sides, you'd probably be able to help each other get a hell of a lot done.

Looking forward to getting back to Arcades when the Xtras are done for the console systems...
~Rx



EDIT:  Salut BP!

(EDIT 2 (Within the Edit):  And by Salut, I mean....

(IMG:http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6405/jacketcherylcole350x500.jpg)


So..... when you going to get that 2 player alternating controllers feature working for me?  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by ressurectionx: Today, 03:58 AM

[BritneysPAIRS]

I only appear and step in when stuff is infactual in my opion... so of course its allways going to be in a bad way. Developement is in a much more positive forward going way. It would be easier if you asked I allways answer in some form, be it short and blunt maybe but it is what it is. The discussions happen behind closed doors normally, and most stuff put in ends up on the cutting room floor or altered to better suit the masses.

Also I can pull very very bad stuff about myself said....alot worse than ive ever said. I could even link it back with proof that they are wrong and im correct and still they say bad things about me and that I have the nerve to bluntly say your wrong. When to me when you know the workings its plain and simple wrong and not worth disscussing which people love to do im sure. Anyways i kind of doing what other dev have done and stayed out of dissucssions on stuff and will release something once a year or so as people complained about many things including to many versions...to much hype....I have locked stuff...im hard to work with.....you name it they complained while ive pushed forward and now have A the most downloaded dayly emu at present B the most talked about, these are just facts and really I dont want to discuss stuff you can do the research. For the record I have a very close working relationship with many people with no issues at all really I am only really here to hand down facts you guys shouldnt shoot the messenger. It sadens me the scene runs away with what they precieve as facts and it allways has done ive seen so many rumors repeated so many times that I know 100percent are false yet people want to believe what they want to believe. And actually if people knew what some helpers they know did, I think they may actually see that peoples agenders have actually been against my project and really arnt helping move the scene forward and instead for selfish reasons want to do stuff in years and years in the scene ive never seen done.

Anyways this is a rant for sure and doesnt get the scene anywhere....but peace to those that like CoinOPS all good its still going strong in the background and I use it daily at some point you will see more for sure

[zorglub]

Thanks for sharing, Cospefogo,  you're a true aesthetic maniac !^^ Even more complete than expected,  for our eyes sake.  Peace.

[ressurectionx]

Haha BP.  Don't shit a shitter man.   You know you love arguing just as much as I do.

Personally, I can't work with you.  I'm sure that others can, but I prefer to lead by example and my own project gives me the ability to do this.  I can't work with you because it's your project and we obviously don't see eye to eye on a lot of things.  Several occasions stuff that I had worked on was not only scrapped, but you said more or less that it was garbage.

I'm quick to get into rage mode, and your posts are very poorly worded oftentimes and come off as extremely offensive, even if that wasn't the way you meant to come off.

For instance, I don't think you were bashing cospefogo in any way in an earlier post in this thread, but at least two people read it like you did.  I can never tell where you're coming from in 95% of your posts.


I'm not saying I don't understand a lot of people's frustration with you sometimes.  I do.  It's just that I'm not going to go around bashing you behind your back like some people choose to do here and another forum or two that aren't your usual spot.  I have a lot of respect for your work, and even more now since I have my own project and people who haven't contributed at all come in on occasion and say that it's being done the wrong way and this or that should be changed (not knowing at all how trivial what they're suggesting is and what a massive effort it would be to re-vamp everything to those specs with little to no payoff)

I know since we stopped our short stint working together about a year and a half ago that you've made tons of progress on your end, and I feel no need to stand in the way of progress.  I feel my own presence in your project at this time would be less than constructive for both of us.

Just relax everyone.  

This was a good informational thread until everyone started acting like children again.  

I apologize for even bringing up the CoinOps integration of this stuff.  I should have known where it would head after that.

Later,
~Rx

[BritneysPAIRS]

only read the gist of that.... but yes things have moved on alot, if you read posts im sure you will see its only ever pointing out facts to start with. Read them carefully from post one and you will see its true. Anyways peace as useual all keeps moving on at a steady pace, I dont actually hold any grudges at all its only forums and for sure not where any of the work is really being done. It would be great to have good info and some are great at that stf...fumanchu but sadly alot are lacking and it sadens me to see misinformation heavly spreaded and heavly supported.

But good luck with your projects rx and others

PS dont take it personally anyone or read anything or anyones names into this at all, I dont really say anything at all ever about correct info in which case yes I normally just spell it out and then have to defend myself personally...I very rarely on any of threads apart from my own unless I see issues as believe it or not I hate seeing people misdirected and its only for that reason...if you dont believe that read the many posts from the start from thoose eyes look for where I vary off that formular and you will see it has all started allways from a wrong fact IMO anyways and ended in stupidity IMO getting nowhere and me not changing my course at all...shame case one will also notice that well listened well supported stuff has quickly gone in with no issues.