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habers

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« Reply #180 on: September 15, 2006, 06:34:00 AM »

QUOTE(Timerever @ Sep 15 2006, 07:26 AM) View Post

Related to my other post:
Ability to specify a settings directory on path.ini or anywhere else.

Like:
SavePartition=E
SaveDirectory=\Path\to\some\folder\
This request shouldn't take more than 3 minutes to code IMHO and it's very nice.



I agree. also with the ability to set these via the GUI. It just makes sense to have it in the GUI. Doesnt make sense to not have it there. If you dont want to put the option to set the ROM path in the gui you might as well not have a gui and set Everything through an ini file smile.gif

Thanks and great work!
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« Reply #181 on: September 15, 2006, 06:41:00 AM »

QUOTE(habers @ Sep 15 2006, 01:41 PM) View Post

If you dont want to put the option to set the ROM path in the gui you might as well not have a gui and set Everything through an ini file smile.gif



Great point. As of the next release, the GUI will be removed completely since the only "real" purpose it serves is to set the ROM path. I guess I overlooked that. Thanks.
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« Reply #182 on: September 15, 2006, 07:28:00 AM »

*chokes on grilled cheese sandwich*

who let the noobs out? oof oof oofoof!
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« Reply #183 on: September 15, 2006, 08:19:00 AM »

Yeah its a valid request and i too think it would be a great addon,
but saying you might as well lose the GUI made me chuckle.
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« Reply #184 on: September 15, 2006, 02:25:00 PM »

My grilled cheese sandwich was so delicious that i didnt really care who said what.
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« Reply #185 on: September 15, 2006, 04:44:00 PM »

QUOTE(Timerever @ Sep 15 2006, 12:26 PM) View Post


This request shouldn't take more than 3 minutes to code IMHO and it's very nice.


Ya know, you really shouldn't make statements like that because you don't know anything about the code that makes up ZsnexBox.

If it was that trivial, I would have allready done it.
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« Reply #186 on: September 16, 2006, 08:38:00 AM »

QUOTE(nes6502 @ Sep 15 2006, 11:51 PM) View Post

Ya know, you really shouldn't make statements like that because you don't know anything about the code that makes up ZsnexBox.

If it was that trivial, I would have allready done it.

Well I know enough of coding to know that it should take only take 3 minutes to do it, is it doesn't... well I'm sorry but your code must way too messed up.
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« Reply #187 on: September 16, 2006, 08:48:00 AM »

QUOTE(Timerever @ Sep 16 2006, 09:45 AM) View Post

Well I know enough of coding to know that it should take only take 3 minutes to do it, is it doesn't... well I'm sorry but your code must way too messed up.


well just wait till he's done with this emu n releases the source, then you can add it yourself.. or maybe 3.0 will have it
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« Reply #188 on: September 16, 2006, 10:12:00 AM »

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Well I know enough of coding to know that it should take only take 3 minutes to do it, is it doesn't... well I'm sorry but your code must way too messed up.


Since you are so confident in the lack of polish in an emulator you've never even seen the code for, allow me to share some of my confidence with you.

You are just another: "Hi, I'm new and wanna play gamez that r0cz, so add this new feature now kthxby" poster.

Go away.


It never stops amazing me that at each new release people are never satisfied. For example:

1) I made a default directory to put the games in. But that wasn't good enough.
2) I've written an entire ROM browser so people can browse the entire file system of the Xbox to find games. But that wasn't good enough.
3) I made a favorites browser so people could build a master list easilly accesable of games scattered throughout their Xbox (not to mention allowing people to have a list that overcomes the 4096 file limit). But that wasn't good enough
4) I added the ability to speicify the ROM path in the ini. But aparently that's just "too complicated" to have to open a text file up in notepad before butting it on your Xbox and changing the first line.

And people want "another" way to determine where ZsnexBox looks for ROMs? Gimme a break.

Have any of you out there played emulators on the Dreamcast? Before the Xbox, that's all there was. I don't think people realize how good they have it with the quality of the work Xport, Lantus, etc... have done.
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« Reply #189 on: September 16, 2006, 11:26:00 AM »

QUOTE(nes6502 @ Sep 16 2006, 05:19 PM) View Post

Since you are so confident in the lack of polish in an emulator you've never even seen the code for, allow me to share some of my confidence with you.

You are just another: "Hi, I'm new and wanna play gamez that r0cz, so add this new feature now kthxby" poster.

Go away.
It never stops amazing me that at each new release people are never satisfied. For example:

1) I made a default directory to put the games in. But that wasn't good enough.
2) I've written an entire ROM browser so people can browse the entire file system of the Xbox to find games. But that wasn't good enough.
3) I made a favorites browser so people could build a master list easilly accesable of games scattered throughout their Xbox (not to mention allowing people to have a list that overcomes the 4096 file limit). But that wasn't good enough
4) I added the ability to speicify the ROM path in the ini. But aparently that's just "too complicated" to have to open a text file up in notepad before butting it on your Xbox and changing the first line.

And people want "another" way to determine where ZsnexBox looks for ROMs? Gimme a break.

Have any of you out there played emulators on the Dreamcast? Before the Xbox, that's all there was. I don't think people realize how good they have it with the quality of the work Xport, Lantus, etc... have done.


Don't let a few dickheads get to you, I can assure you that the majority off us really appreciate your work as well as the other hard working contributors to the scene. Most of these idiots forget that you guys do this on your own time and for free so keep up the good work and ignore the small percent that do nothing but complain.
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« Reply #190 on: September 16, 2006, 11:33:00 AM »

Don't let the comments from this one guy get to you, nes6502.  As for the other stuff, you did ask for people's input on features and you have responded to most, but you can't now hold that against the users by saying "it wasn't good enough".  Most people are satisified with what we have now.  Are there other features some people would like to see?  Probably.  That is true for ANY piece of software in existence.  But that doesn't mean people view the your work as "not good enough".  

And for every person like Timerever that pops in with a comment like "your code must be a mess", there are hundreds of users you never hear from because we are satisified.  That's always been an unfortunate disconnect between developers and users.  Devs tend to take the comments of a few and take it too seriously when the vast majority they don't hear from are perfectly content.

Just my two cents.
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« Reply #191 on: September 16, 2006, 11:58:00 AM »

QUOTE(Thraxen @ Sep 16 2006, 06:40 PM) View Post

Don't let the comments from this one guy get to you, nes6502.  As for the other stuff, you did ask for people's input on features and you have responded to most, but you can't now hold that against the users by saying "it wasn't good enough".  Most people are satisified with what we have now.  Are there other features some people would like to see?  Probably.  That is true for ANY piece of software in existence.  But that doesn't mean people view the your work as "not good enough".  

And for every person like Timerever that pops in with a comment like "you code must be a mess", there are hundreds of users you never hear from because we are satisified.  That's always been an unfortunate disconnect between developers and users.  
Just my two cents.



Yeah, very good point. No, I don't hold users request against them. My respnse above did/does not apply to the majority of users. I was speaking about a select few who never seem to be satisfied. It's allways been my goal to add the features that the majority of people really wanted like the cheat search for example, favorites, etc. I welcome requests, and in fact that's why I started this thread.

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Devs tend to take the comments of a few and take it too seriously when the vast majority they don't hear from are perfectly content.


And that's the real problem. Most devs continue out of the support they get and no other reason. In other words, to make the users happy. I mean it's very cool when you are working on a feature you know everybody wants and they are all going to be excited to get it. It's very statisfying regardless of whether you personally wanted it or not.

When the support dries up, and all that's left are complaints/requests, it's hard for any dev to stay motivated. The difficult part really is that most people just don't post that much. For example, I posted a download link for the graphics pack in the last release. There have been over 600 people to download it. Obviously there havn't been 600 unique people posting in these ZsnexBox threads. So the point is, there probablly are hundreds of people who love ZsnexBox just the way it is. Sometimes I just have to remind myself that.

I've seen this in a lot of Xport's threads. People tend to just post the problems they find or ask for new things. After page after page of complaints and requests, it can be difficult for any developer to remind himself that most people are happy with it just the way it is. Unfortunatly, a lot of people when they see a port become what they wanted, just disappear. I'm guilty of this myself. I was huge fan of Xport and Lantus's work for 2 years and I don't think I ever posted a single "good job" post in their threads.

So I do keep things in perspective, but sometimes my patience wears thin with some posters. But you brought up the actual key point in all of this. We all should continue to support guys like A600, Xport, Lantus, etc.. even when we personally have everything we want. And even when they are working on projects we may or may not be interested in.
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« Reply #192 on: September 16, 2006, 12:11:00 PM »

QUOTE(xystus @ Sep 16 2006, 06:17 PM) View Post

I used the SNES emulator for Dreamcast. It didn't run full speed by far, but I was still excited about it. It was the first time I came in touch with homebrew software as well.

Ahhh.. them good ol' dayz.. but I like nowadays better! We are all spoiled.. and it's because of guys like you nes6502  happy.gif


Yeah, I was extatic about Nester on the Dreamcast. In fact, I knew I'd allways have my Dreamcast because how would I ever be able to play all those games on my TV? And then came the glorious Xbox....
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« Reply #193 on: September 16, 2006, 02:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(Timerever @ Sep 16 2006, 03:45 PM) View Post

Well I know enough of coding to know that it should take only take 3 minutes to do it, is it doesn't... well I'm sorry but your code must way too messed up.

This thread is for Requests, not insulting judgements saying the emulator isn't good enough. This emulator was "Good Enough" on its first build. Everything else has been extra stuff on top of excellence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this thread is for requests, not critique.

Don't JUDGE the work of someone who has sat with assembly code porting it over to xbox code so that you could have something fun to play. First of all, nes is the one who actually sat down and built this so he is going to know a little more about the involved complications than you do with this particular situation. You just make yourself look like a clueless, rude idiot when you run off at the mouth like that. You have no idea if every type of code environment is as unchallenging as whatever you do. Please do not start telling people "That's not good enough. I like it a different way, and you're just not good at coding" When their achievement shows that they ARE *EXCELLENT* at coding... Especially when they're building us great stuff for free... If the expert working on something doesn't find an idea simple, and you don't realise that it would be even harder for you, then shut your mouth please.

This emu is great and that's the bottom line, and nes deserves props and huge thanks, if anything, for putting so much hard work into adding such an amazing amount of refinements and extras on top of what was already shiningly good. That's just the truth. cool.gif
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« Reply #194 on: September 16, 2006, 02:38:00 PM »

Similar thing is hapening over at the xport forums.

Some guys were making a "petition" for xport to code a way to change the path of the settings file from E:\

Like they got some kind of (right??) to xport's and yours and other dev's work...

It's one thing to ask or suggest, another to demand or outright attack, but i guess on any kind of project, especially done for free, and out of your own valuable time, after a bit, actually quite quickly, people start taking it for granted. Especially if you express interest in listening to users' needs and feedback.

I guess what you got to try to keep in mind is that even tho we humans are selfish pricks laugh.gif biggrin.gif: , at the end of the day we'll be using what you produced and enjoying the hell out of it.
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