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[irishwhip]

when you guys hijack a thread, you really go all out, don't you?

this is becoming embarrassing to read. you all have msn or yahoo?

[GogoAckman]

What you re saying make sense, the only problem is that pro isnt' only used by a group of fans wanting new romsets, no it's as if pro was the "real" fbaxxx, I can't accept that, sorry.
I don't say +T+ is responsible of the situation, actually I am quite happy for him to be recognized and havins an xbins access, I know very well his thread and helped him out on some fixes too (PCM fix for example), if you go through the thread, you ll see I am answering sometimes.
What I complain about is that many of standard users are pointed to fbaxxx pro : why? because the release of pro happen directly after my release, if someone wants the "latest" version, he'll definitely go for the pro, and there are some ppl here who keep bitching about many things and keep saying to all the newbies out there to go for the pro version or that surreal 64xxx is a pain in the ass and to stick with FDB v4.

[Thraxen]

QUOTE(GogoAckman @ Jul 10 2006, 08:16 AM)

What you re saying make sense, the only problem is that pro isnt' only used by a group of fans wanting new romsets, no it's as if pro was the "real" fbaxxx, I can't accept that, sorry.
I don't say +T+ is responsible of the situation, actually I am quite happy for him to be recognized and havins an xbins access, I know very well his thread and helped him out on some fixes too (PCM fix for example), if you go through the thread, you ll see I am answering sometimes.
What I complain about is that many of standard users are pointed to fbaxxx pro : why? because the release of pro happen directly after my release, if someone wants the "latest" version, he'll definitely go for the pro, and there are some ppl here who keep bitching about many things and keep saying to all the newbies out there to go for the pro version or that surreal 64xxx is a pain in the ass and to stick with FDB v4.

So it's simple jealousy then?  Do you really think trying to kill of Pro is the best for the fan base?  Also, why do you think people will automatically go for the Pro version?  There are many people out there that don't want to update ROM sets all the time, that's why we (as fans) had the best of both worlds when you were still releasing your source code.   If you really think most of the people are going to prefer Pro then why not add the latest sets and drivers to your builds?  If you don't want to do that then why are you fighting against Pro when it provides what a portion of the fan base wants?

Also, about Surreal, you have to understand that FDBv4 does have some advantages over your build.  The easiest example I can think of that you can quickly check yourself is Mario Kart 64.  

Start up MK64 in SurrealXXX and choose the first cup (I forget the name).  Notice that as the camera pans down to your character at the starting line that the games will stutter a bit.  Then when the race actually starts notice how the game stutters quite a bit for a couple of seconds.... this stuttering is especially bad if you get the turbo boosted start.  Now go observe the same things in FDB v4.  You will find the FDB v4 stutters much less.  

That's why some people prefer FDB or even Surreal v1.  Your versions have fewer graphical glitches due to the availability of newer plug-ins, but FDB does run smoother in some cases.  Personally, I use SurrealXXX because I have a 128 MB XBox and the stuttering does not occur on 128 MB Xboxs.... so I get the advantage of the graphical fixes provided by the newer plug-ins without the stuttering.  I also can't stand having the memory card/rumble pack toggle being mapped to the left stick... I end up clicking it on accident while playing the games.

Anyway, what do you want from Pro?  What would have to be done to end this pointless grudge?

QUOTE(Doom64 @ Jul 10 2006, 08:26 AM)

I agree with GogoAckman,I don't see a reason to use the pro version only because It has more roms clones.. Until 3 months ago i was using this one,instead of the official emulator and when I saw how crapping was the HD mode I swicthed to fbaxxx and now I don't want to go back anymore.
We don't need two emulators that do the same thing but only the best one of them..and Its FBA-xxx not Pro.
This is the End of the thread............

Umm... your opinion isn't shared by everyone.  Some of us do want support for the latest ROM sets and additional clones.  It would be great if Gogo's version provided this, but then we would be stuck with a bunch of people griping about having to update their ROM sets all the time.  This is why we need two versions.

[GogoAckman]

As already said, I am not against pro version (maybe against his closed source, but that s my personal thought), but you must admit that what s been an "experienced" version is now totally public and better known than fbaxxx, how do you think I must feel when I go here and there and hear always talking about fbaxxx pro, all these ppl don't even know fbaxxx exists, but I have to deal with some ppl asking me why it doesn't work when it's working fine in my version.
Why do I bother? To polish the emu, I need advice, feedback etc... which I don't have anymore (or right), that's the same thing with surreal, if no-one is telling me what's wrong, I can't push it further.
I personnally don't play my emus so much, I am just testing FBA with SF2 and surreal with mario 64, so you have to understand I don't have time to deal with a complete test of all the games in each version.

[Likklebaer]

QUOTE(GogoAckman @ Jul 10 2006, 02:16 PM)

What I complain about is that many of standard users are pointed to fbaxxx pro : why? because the release of pro happen directly after my release, if someone wants the "latest" version, he'll definitely go for the pro,

Okay then how about this for a solution; rather than making FBA-XXX totally closed-source as it is now why not make the source release one build behind, so that when you release a new version of FBA-XXX you release the source to the previous version. This way your version will always have the newest fixes and features, and Pro will only have those from the last version.

It may not be ideal but it's better than nothing at all.

[GogoAckman]

If it is what you re interested in, I don't like closed source, so there s some probability that next release will have it's source released (not to mention the point that rumble was added with the big help from IQ_132).

[Thraxen]

QUOTE(XaRaNn @ Jul 10 2006, 03:03 PM)

I get both likklebaer's and thraxen's point, and it's obvious there PRO fans, but pushing around devs so they unconditionally release source just doesn't seem the way to get things done, IMHO.

Yeah, sorry if I come off like I'm trying to push Gogo around or something, this whole situation has just become very frustrating.  Everything was working so smoothly up until this last release when the source wasn't released.  But I admit that I don't see it from Gogo's perspective in that I can't see his lack of feedback or anything.  

And I realize it must be frustrating to hear people talk about Pro all the time.  But, again, this is largely Gogo's own fault.   He quit working on FBAXXX for a while and in fact stated on the forum once that is was basically a dead project.  During this time FBAXXX Pro grew in popularity since it was still being worked on.  It grew popular enough that it finally got added to Xbins.  Then Gogo decides to start developing the emulator again but FBAXXX Pro has already taken center stage.  That combined with the fact that Gogo lost access to the FBAXXX directory on Xbins has resulted in making it tougher for his builds to gain back some of its previous popularity.  Then take into account how few builds actually appear from Gogo.  Since being added to Xbins not all that long ago, FBAXXX Pro has already had 17 versions released... compared to how many of Gogo's builds in the same time frame?...2? ...3?  That's not really a knock against FBAXXX at all (Gogo's busy with multiple projects), but it does tend to keep Pro more at the front in people's minds.

The frustrating thing is that none of this is any fault of Pro or +T+.  It just worked out this way.  And now Gogo has grown frustrated himself and has more or less decided to "punish" Pro... which in turn frustrates fans like myself.  I just want the nonsense to end.

FBAXXX is one of the most popular and actively worked on emulators we have for the XBox and that's due to both Gogo and his team as well as +T+ and the people who have helped him.  

Also, Gogo, maybe you should take the suggestion thrown out earlier and see if +T+ will upload your builds to Xbins for you?  

[GogoAckman]

I am sorry, yes I was a bit upset, but it's gone now (I am like this), I was working hard on KIxxx and maybe that could explain the lack of sleep.

Now, I ll do two things :
- Release a new version of fbaxxx (I would have like to wait until netplay is out but maybe I could release this) someday this week and release the sources.
- Mail +T+ and ask if he would join the team, after all you re absolutely right, it would be better for both of us to release our version at the same time.

As for the lack of updates, I have some goals I want to achieve before releasing something, and how many pro updates concern only drivers?

[Pson]

Wow I have just learned a ton of info from this alone....this should be a sticky for newbies to read and learn from....I got Pro thinking and also told by others that it was far better and you made it.  I was alittle shocked to learn that you didn't and also that the normal place didn't even have your lastest ver. (which I will get tonight Thank you)

[Likklebaer]

As I said in the other thread; FBA-XXX and Pro are the same emulator. The only significant differences are the supported ROMsets. You should use whichever build best suits the sets you want to use.

@Gogo: I really am glad to hear that you're happy for FBA-XXX Pro to continue development. I'm sure +T+ will accept whatever resolution you propose. Let us know what happens. Thankies!

[neoryu]

I just want to say that I appreciate Gogo AND +T+'s efforts.  Words can't describe how grateful I am for all their hard work.  I wish there was no "conflict" and everyone could enjoy this Emulator--noobs like myself included.  My reason for modding my xboxes was justified and thensome with FBA xbox versions  Doesn't matter which IMO since I can play the games I want on both at the moment.

And thanks for answering my questions GogoAckman.  I have another one for you--What is FM and PCM interpolation?  Or should I say, how is it beneficial?

[XaRaNn]

Glad this is heading the right way. let's cross fingers and hope +T+ accepts to work with gogo directly.