Well the problem is that I can't get to the bottom of my mobo. I have soldered so many wires and things to the bottom of the mobo and everywhere else including switches and stuff they go over the mobo and make it impossilbe to remove it unless i cut the wires. There is about 300 ft of wire in my xbox so just imagine that. A football field of wire. The box is quite amazing. I haven't seen anything like it but it's not done yet therefore I won't post pics. I have the finishing touches to put on it. That is why I can't solder to the botto of the mobo. There would be atleast 10 hrs in cutting labeling wires and taping and untaping etc just to get the mobo out and back in so it's not worth it, not to mention the top is such a tight fit i don't want to take it off unless there is a really good reason. Just to mention some of the things in there. Jewel mod, hip pad screen, hip pad speakers, hip pad control knobs, all molded into the top lid. dvd window flush. about 70 leds, hardwired dvd dongle. headphone jack that cuts the sound from small speakers when used. All leds hooked up to xerc chip. Side vent leds dvd window leds, controller port leds, underglow, fan leds. Xenium ice. 250 gig maxtor diamond line plus hdd. activity light bar with hdd, lan/dvd, standby, xerc on off. There is a lot of stuff so it would be a problem to get to the bottom of the mobo. Oh ya i forgot to mention the controller ports are all moved to the right and there is an aerogate 2 fan controller molded into the left side of the panel. Power/eject leds: blue/red. There are lots of things so upgrading my modchip installation would be a bitch. Also I do know how to solder too, i installed my modchip as the first mod for me and it was solderless for obvious reasons. Thanks for the help and I hope you can see why I can't solder to the bottom of the mobo. I have to finish my custom mounting system for the box due to everything getting moved around and screw holes getting cut and covered. Then I have to finish the dvd bezel extension also. After those two things are done it will be finished.