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[heinrich]

Yes, it is true.

Leaking the emu is a slap in the face to oDD and all those involved, if the author wanted to make a public release, he would have done so.  I think many will remember what happened the last time an n64 emu was leaked; hopefully history will not repeat itself.

Discussion will be permitted, without discussing where to get the emu of course

This post has been edited by heinrich on Jan 2 2004, 07:28 AM

[Iriez]

Here's most of the story.

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Session Start (Iriez:CLuis): Thu Jan 01 19:06:52 2004 [19:06] CLuis: hey [19:06] CLuis: its CLuis [19:06] Iriez: sup man [19:07] CLuis: u needed me? [19:07] Iriez: yes i did [19:07] CLuis: hmm wut did i do now? lol [19:08] Iriez: Sun Dec 28 23:38:09 2003 29 pool-141-151-17-27.phil.east.verizon.net 2724104 /site/private/xboxdevelopers/Surreal?64?RC2.rar b _ o r CLuis ftp 0 * [19:08] Iriez: Who else did you give that file to? [19:08] CLuis: just me and a friend i wanted to see wut it was [19:09] Iriez: Find out what your friend did with it. [19:09] Iriez: That was a N64 emulator thats been in the works for 6 months [19:09] CLuis: y? did it get leaked? [19:09] Iriez: we were || ready for a public release [19:09] Iriez: it got leaked last night [19:10] CLuis: so its not gonna be released? [19:10] CLuis: damn it plays games so well too [19:10] Iriez: yes, well you dont *ever* take something that doesnt belong to you. [19:10] Iriez: that was a private directory [19:10] Iriez: you had no right to snoop into others directories and download files [19:10] CLuis: oh i didnt know [19:10] Iriez: you abused your privledges...severly [19:11] Iriez: and i need you to find out *exactly* what your friend did with it [19:11] CLuis: lemme ask him [19:11] Iriez: ok. [19:14] CLuis: CLuis says:  did DaRebel leak it?  -={TS}=-PwN (WaLKa) says:  yes  -={TS}=-PwN (WaLKa) says:  he put it on the halomods server [19:14] CLuis: theres ur answer [19:14] CLuis: sorry about that [19:17] Iriez: You are now perm banned from any xbins services. [19:17] CLuis: wut?!?! [19:17] Iriez: Yes. [19:17] CLuis: come on i didnt know [19:18] Iriez: This is what happens when you steal someone elses work, and give it to your friends [19:18] Iriez: This isnt some joke [19:18] Iriez: This isnt some childish whim [19:18] Iriez: this is 6 months of fucking work [19:18] Iriez: leaked. [19:18] CLuis: i didnt know [19:18] Iriez: You remember daedalus? [19:18] Iriez: The development permantly stopped [19:18] Iriez: because of this same exact scenario [19:18] CLuis: damn [19:18] Iriez: PRAY the dev's feel like i do. [19:19] Iriez: or this will never progress. [19:19] Iriez: who is darebel? [19:19] Iriez: and who is pwn walka? [19:19] CLuis: #halomods channel [19:19] Iriez: oh what server? [19:20] CLuis: (Link: http://www.halomods.com)www.halomods.com [19:20] CLuis: thats the server [19:20] CLuis: u gonnna go on there [19:20] Iriez: yes. [19:21] Iriez: is darebel your friend? [19:22] Iriez: or is he your friends friend? [19:22] CLuis: friend [19:26] CLuis: so y r u in that channel anyways? [19:29] CLuis: so i cant even goto #xbins on EFNet and get a temp account everytime i need something? [19:29] Iriez: Nope. [19:29] CLuis: Y NOT? [19:29] Iriez: Why is it so hard for you to understand? You disgraced hardworking developers [19:29] Iriez: im personally insulted [19:30] Iriez: you abused your privledges in the worst way [19:30] CLuis: iretch shoulda never gave u access [19:30] CLuis: FUCKER! [19:30] Iriez: iretch? [19:30] Iriez: I've always ran the servers [19:30] Iriez: i gave iretch access buddy. [19:30] CLuis: FUCK YOU and ur DEVS [19:31] CLuis: i can get on xbins with other PC's [19:31] CLuis: u cant ban all my IP's [19:31] Iriez: sorry, i dont own them. You mean the xbox scene's dev's? [19:31] Iriez: i cant [19:31] Iriez: Your right. [19:31] Iriez: Its not meant to be a permant brick wall [19:31] Iriez: its meant to be a inconvienence [19:31] Iriez: anyone can get around a ban [19:31] CLuis: ill just change my IP [19:31] Iriez: thats your punishment for turning your back on hardworking people [19:31] CLuis: i didnt fucking know [19:31] Iriez: yea, well what if i banned your whole subnet? = ) [19:32] Iriez: well well...lets see what ip's you got here over hte past few months. [19:32] CLuis: theres always friends accross the street [19:32] Iriez: on the same isp = ) [19:32] CLuis: no [19:32] CLuis: i got DSL [19:32] Iriez: its cool [19:32] Iriez: i'll ban your block. [19:32] Iriez: the library? [19:32] CLuis: u cant do that [19:32] Iriez: ok, i'll ban your city. [19:32] CLuis: go ahead [19:32] Iriez: then whatcha gonna do leaker? [19:32] Iriez: drive to the next country ? [19:32] CLuis: i hope someone crashes ur servers [19:33] CLuis: not everything is secure [19:33] Iriez: luckily ours is. [19:33] CLuis: wut if i leak all the other shit i got off of there? [19:33] Iriez: theres nothing else to leak buddy = ) [19:33] Iriez: its all public. [19:33] Iriez: you only got one thing that was private tough guy [19:34] Iriez: Your a disgrace to developers [19:34] Iriez: Quit while your down. [19:34] CLuis: i aint down [19:34] CLuis: shit fuck u [19:34] Iriez: LOL [19:34] CLuis: wut have u developed? [19:34] CLuis: NOTHING! [19:35] Iriez: Oh [19:35] Iriez: You mean the entire hub of hte homebrew scene? [19:35] Iriez: yea, your right [19:35] CLuis: wow easy [19:35] Iriez: glftpd source mods that arnt public? [19:35] Iriez: yea, k [19:35] CLuis: i mean SOFTWARE! [19:35] Iriez: Go ahead... (Link: www.glftpd.com)www.glftpd.com [19:35] Iriez: go do what we did [19:35] Iriez: see how well you do it = ) [19:35] Iriez: oh whats that [19:35] Iriez: dsl ? [19:35] Iriez: how about OC3 ? [19:35] CLuis: FUCK you [19:36] Iriez: whats thats ... we served 730GB in decemeber alone? [19:36] Iriez: do that on your dsl tough guy [19:36] CLuis: wow [19:36] Iriez: anyways [19:36] Iriez: this was quite fun [19:36] Iriez: thanks for freshing my night ...leaker [19:36] CLuis: sure ir was Session Close (CLuis): Thu Jan 01 19:39:03 2004

He is the dev of halo map patcher/ halo xbe hacker. He had a account on xbins, and access to some private directories. Normally such directories are restricted to specific groups, but unfortunately i missed a single letter in a conf, which made the dir visable to CLuis. If there are fingers to point, one can definitly be pointed at me.

CLuis is [email protected] (obtained the file)

DaRebel is [email protected] (got the file from CLuis and put it on halomods.com server)

Gave it to a certian 'kestal' on irc, whom gave it to 'morfious' to post on the usenet newsgroup.


Well, thats the start and the end to that story.

changed SN's -heinrich

This post has been edited by heinrich on Jan 2 2004, 07:37 AM

[heinrich]

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Gave it to a certian 'kestal' on irc

Who uses the nick 'Valdek' here on the forums.  

[heinrich]

Since people seem to be itching to discussing this, I opened this thread for just that
Do not ask where to find the emu of course.
You can read what transpired above.

I'll start off by saying, wtf?
As for the feelings of the person who I feel is most responsible for leak (see previous post), here is what he has to say.

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I highly doubt that history applies here. If people stop working on a project, they didn't want it to succeed badly enough. If oDD were to completely and permanently stop development on the new emulator, that would go against everything he's said in the past. We all want to help each other out, that's why we're here. And when Xbox modding and building apps are all illegal anyways, the priorities and moralities involved are usually distorted somewhat. If you were in #removed, that means you download things from there, I see no other reason for you to be there. This means you download games, apps, and other illegal things. You could deny it, but I'm sure lots of people do it and don't want to admit to it. But, I don't think it matters if you do or do not. When a game is released ahead of time, before a public release is scheduled (such as, Kill Switch, which was released a month ahead of time), everyone is happy for it. Yet, the "hard-working devs" of that project are being "slapped in the face". Yet, it pleases so many people. Anyways, if oDD wanted to give back to the community, which he obviously does as he's making the emulator, he wouldn't stop development now. I don't really see the point in holding back the release date when he could've released the RC2 himself. If he had released it, instead of someone leaking it, this would've been full of praise for him, it's a very good release. And I do believe oDD has done some EXCELLENT work, I wasn't lying about that. The emulator is great. Maybe the one who leaked it was just trying to speed things up and give back to the community? Everyone wanted it, he or she simply gave it to them. My point here is that everyone had good intentions with what they were doing. And in the Xbox Scene, saying some things against is blatant hypocrisy. (Especially when you were in #removed, a channel dedicated to releasing commercial games to the public, some ahead of time)

I think his logic is somewhat flawed, mainly because:
1) Unlike commercial game devs, homebrew devs are not being paid for their hard work
2) Being in an IRC channel means nothing, if anyone really wants to know, I was in the channel waiting for a certain xbox related software release

[MIGHTYone]

has oDD commented on it yet?

[JSanford]

(Just wanna restate a previous set of statements I made.)

I have waited on chiming in on this but I can't stand it any longer...

Not to throw water on all of your expectations but I don't honestly see how this new EMU could live up all of the hype it's been given. I for one have to say of what I have heard it is basically a new interface with the option of using 1964, PJ64 and UltraHLE. Of those 3 options with all the ROMs floating around out there, still only a mediocre percentage of Roms are considerably playable at this point! N64 Emulation on an XBOX will NEVER be at the same standard as SNES...

Just seems to me like we've been responsible for making this thing larger than it could ever be. We've had people basically equate this new EMU with the cure to cancer.... sigh..

If it's released great. If it is not, then thanks to the guys for giving it a shot. I just hate to see things come down to the mess we've witnessed over the last several weeks....

Now to get off my soapbox. Thanks for listening.  

[MIGHTYone]

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I have waited on chiming in on this but I can't stand it any longer... Not to throw water on all of your expectations but I don't honestly see how this new EMU could live up all of the hype it's been given. I for one have to say of what I have heard it is basically a new interface with the option of using 1964, PJ64 and UltraHLE. Of those 3 options with all the ROMs floating around out there, still only a mediocre percentage of Roms are considerably playable at this point! N64 Emulation on an XBOX will NEVER be at the same standard as SNES... Just seems to me like we've been responsible for making this thing larger than it could ever be. We've had people basically equate this new EMU with the cure to cancer.... sigh.. If it's released great. If it is not, then thanks to the guys for giving it a shot. I just hate to see things come down to the mess we've witnessed over the last several weeks.... Now to get off my soapbox. Thanks for listening.

Youve posted the exact same thing in "..::the New N64 Emu::.. " a while ago. And to be honest, the whole tone of ur post is quite negative...  

[jizzlobber]

most of us have been hanging for this emu, and were prepared to wait.
now we all fear this leak may ruin things.

we would like to know how oDD feels (besides pissed off) and what can we expect from this emu now?

[heinrich]

Wow MIGHTYone, did you miss the

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(Just wanna restate a previous set of statements I made.)

[Ridley]

Is the leak the final version? Or is it just a buggy version?

[ncc1701p]

I guess i have a good question here.  I notice that when emulator Joe is discussed or released it gets a few hundred reads at best..   But when you mention the magical letters N64 those hundreds go to THOUSANDS. I liked about a dozen games on the n64 at best. The rehashed stuff , mario party series ,zelda and Conkers Bad fur day. Im sure most people would like to see a n64 emulator as close to perfection .. Though we shouldnt hold it up to par w/ a SNES,NES, pre-64bit system emulator.  Its almost not fair. Cuz the n64 was more advanced and obviously so dam hard to code for.

So I guess this is my question:

Why are people burning to have a good working n64 emulator. What is it about the n64 that really makes posts and reads n64-related so high


On a side note: I think what happened sucks ballz.  I just hope it doesnt get ruined for the rest of the population.  Having something u've worked on for months stolen really stinks. Its happened to me in the work place so I understand how mad/sad oDD must feel.

[Rileq]

Thanks for the change of heart about the discussion of this. I maintained in my (now deleted) thread that there was nothing wrong with talking about what happened. I agree with JSanford, though, that we're making this to be a bigger thing than what it is. It's a great emu, and I hope to see an official release soon. (With the updated cores!) As for the leaker...... booooooooooooooooooooo! Can we DoS him or something?

EDIT: That's a good point.... how many GOOD N64 games were there? I can only think of a handful.....

 

This post has been edited by Rileq on Jan 2 2004, 07:44 AM

[HoRnEyDvL]

Well I agree with H3, but along with that this is not fair, & this has happened due 2 a small human error. Now i dont want any finger pointing to any of the mods either on xbins or on x-s.

As for whats going to happen with this emu time will tell us. OdD has benn working on this emu now for a good 6 months even tho he couldnot keep his promise for a christmas release his excuse was good enough & i along with other people were happy to wait afew more weeks for a final release considering we waited 6 months. Now to the person that leaked it i am dissapointed First of all you betrayed the trust of iriez. Tho i cant say much about my trust on there i notified all my actions to iriez the day i broke something. Iriez  along with many other ppl have put alot of time & hard work to keep the xbox scene pumping. I cannot figure out why you couldnot wait afew more days / weeks for a final release its not your emulator to decide when 2 release or not to.

I am not using this emulator nor have i tried it I will be waiting for an official release from OdD then i will use it.
Some people dont understand how hard it is to code something like this considering the lack of recourses & power the xbox has. Its not as simple as chaging afew lines of code around or as i have seen some newbies try to do rename an exe to a xbe. This take long hours of sitting down on a computer coding thousounds of lines of code.

I along with the other mods on xbox-scene & xbins will appriciate it if no one posts any links to the where abouts of this emulator & posts that do will be removed.
NO REQUEST NO HELP NO COMPATIBILITY LISTS CONSIDER THIS AS YOUR FIRST AND FINAL WARNING.

TO OdD and secret coders you have my full support with this emu & i hope you dont give up on all this hard work you have put into it.

This post has been edited by HoRnEyDvL on Jan 2 2004, 07:43 AM

[tom_g05]

F..K!!! I'm so angry atm, but I do have to point a finger at Iriez but I never new the halo patcher was such a poof nugget if i may say that.

[JSanford]

I made my choice to view this situation and speak on it in terms of what is currently the status of the N64 EMU scene.  Not to be any what confrontational or offending, but if speaking in terms of reality carries a negative tone then I do not apologize for it.