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QUOTE (Ridley @ Jan 2 2004, 11:41 PM)

This topic is just one big angst-fest.

Yeah i think it should be closed, whats needed to be said, has been said, and much, much, more!!!  

[Large Dopant white]

QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 11:52 PM)

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 2 2004, 11:46 PM) they're kind of useless, nowadays, as even the (ever-so-slightly outdated) EvoX dash does what MS Dash can do, at least the important stuff. The sources are important because it will drastically help with adding an FTP server to the MS Dash hack among many other things.

Uh, why hack a dash and possibly cause instability when any able programmer could code in a feature they want in one of the open-source Dashes, like MXM? Unless you don't follow the common caveat that hacking is generally an unstable process....

[XJericRK]

[djoye]

 I hope the authors don't quit!  I'm so sorry about it REALLY SORRY!  Can I suck their penises so they don't get sad and quit!?  I would be willing to pay to suck their penises!

What can us cock sucking group of whiners do to make the authors happy?

[funkydude101]

hmm dont know if anyone mentioned this

but check ***********

this was released today:
Surreal64 *LEAKED* Xbox N64 Emulator

[SHiZNO]

QUOTE (djoye @ Jan 2 2004, 11:57 PM)

OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LEAKED!@#  I'M SO SORRY I REALLY HATE WHAT HAPPENED!@#    I hope the authors don't quit!  I'm so sorry about it REALLY SORRY!  Can I suck their penises so they don't get sad and quit!?  I would be willing to pay to suck their penises! What can us cock sucking group of whiners do to make the authors happy?

you better be a female...

[Large Dopant white]

QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM)

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 3 2004, 12:32 AM) QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 11:52 PM) QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 2 2004, 11:46 PM) they're kind of useless, nowadays, as even the (ever-so-slightly outdated) EvoX dash does what MS Dash can do, at least the important stuff. The sources are important because it will drastically help with adding an FTP server to the MS Dash hack among many other things. Uh, why hack a dash and possibly cause instability when any able programmer could code in a feature they want in one of the open-source Dashes, like MXM? Unless you don't follow the common caveat that hacking is generally an unstable process.... Check the MS Dash Hacking forum for why - people want to add ftp capability to the hacked MS Dash because it looks a hell of a lot better than all the other dash's. Hacking doesn't necessarily make it any more or less stable - please have a look through that forum before you write anything else.

Hacking generally does lead to instability, as you're hacking (see? key word there) 'features' and tricks in instead of doing it properly (i.e. obtaining the source code and programming whatever function you want), hence the use of the key word. The very word "hacking" in such a context implies instability somewhere down the road. I do read the MS Hacking forum, and while it is fairly stable (you're kinda just modifying scripts, as far as I can see), that doesn't make it anywhere near as stable as actual coding time and a recompile (assuming you don't code functions in that snarf a huge chunk of RAM or do a buffer overload or some crazy shit like that). Again, all that effort dumped in to learn a 'script language' of sorts and to actually implement a feature when one could simply teach themselves to program in C/C++ and contribute to an open-source homebrew dash like MXM or XDashOS. On a personal level, I find it rather lazy that you're more willing to hack a commercially developed program rather than further the homebrew scene (the references to a specific person are ment to be generalized in that last sentence).

[oDD_]

QUOTE (SHiZNO @ Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM)

QUOTE (djoye @ Jan 2 2004, 11:57 PM) OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LEAKED!@#  I'M SO SORRY I REALLY HATE WHAT HAPPENED!@#      I hope the authors don't quit!  I'm so sorry about it REALLY SORRY!  Can I suck their penises so they don't get sad and quit!?  I would be willing to pay to suck their penises! What can us cock sucking group of whiners do to make the authors happy? you better be a female...

I hope so also  

[Heet]

I agree.

[tom_g05]

If it was just an "official release" then oDD would have released it, i think he and others are adding somemore things i guess or finding out more bugs who knows.

[Lukenatme]

  Have a cold one on me!

[MiL0]

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 3 2004, 01:15 AM)

QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM) QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 3 2004, 12:32 AM) QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 11:52 PM) QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 2 2004, 11:46 PM) they're kind of useless, nowadays, as even the (ever-so-slightly outdated) EvoX dash does what MS Dash can do, at least the important stuff. The sources are important because it will drastically help with adding an FTP server to the MS Dash hack among many other things. Uh, why hack a dash and possibly cause instability when any able programmer could code in a feature they want in one of the open-source Dashes, like MXM? Unless you don't follow the common caveat that hacking is generally an unstable process.... Check the MS Dash Hacking forum for why - people want to add ftp capability to the hacked MS Dash because it looks a hell of a lot better than all the other dash's. Hacking doesn't necessarily make it any more or less stable - please have a look through that forum before you write anything else.   Hacking generally does lead to instability, as you're hacking (see? key word there) 'features' and tricks in instead of doing it properly (i.e. obtaining the source code and programming whatever function you want), hence the use of the key word. The very word "hacking" in such a context implies instability somewhere down the road. I do read the MS Hacking forum, and while it is fairly stable (you're kinda just modifying scripts, as far as I can see), that doesn't make it anywhere near as stable as actual coding time and a recompile (assuming you don't code functions in that snarf a huge chunk of RAM or do a buffer overload or some crazy shit like that). Again, all that effort dumped in to learn a 'script language' of sorts and to actually implement a feature when one could simply teach themselves to program in C/C++ and contribute to an open-source homebrew dash like MXM or XDashOS. On a personal level, I find it rather lazy that you're more willing to hack a commercially developed program rather than further the homebrew scene (the references to a specific person are ment to be generalized in that last sentence).

This all may be well & true, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't like to see the original MS Dash up to the same level of funtionality as say Evolution-X? Surely if we had the original source then there would be no need for 'hacking' since we can add ftp code to the source code and recompile, thereby negating your stability worries.

Besides, I don't think they're hacking the actual MS Dash 'engine' but merely the ini script files to add extra menus, much in the way that you would edit evox.ini. I've greatly over simplified the process because I know a LOT of work went into getting MS Dash hacking up to where it is now but I'm just trying to say that there stability isn't as much of a problem in this case.

[Large Dopant white]

QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 3 2004, 03:33 AM)

This all may be well & true, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't like to see the original MS Dash up to the same level of funtionality as say Evolution-X? Surely if we had the original source then there would be no need for 'hacking' since we can add ftp code to the source code and recompile, thereby negating your stability worries. Besides, I don't think they're hacking the actual MS Dash 'engine' but merely the ini script files to add extra menus, much in the way that you would edit evox.ini. I've greatly over simplified the process because I know a LOT of work went into getting MS Dash hacking up to where it is now but I'm just trying to say that there stability isn't as much of a problem in this case.

As stated, I realize that they're basically using a scripting language (you call it an INI) to 'hack' the MS dash. What I'm saying is that the amount of effort dumped into learning this scripting language to do the hacks could be redirected towards learning rudimentary (or intermedient) C/C++ programming so more effort could be put into a homebrew program that may well reach beyond the official dash, asthetically and functionally, quicker if there was more effort put towards it (again, I use MXM as an example).
I misinterpreted what you said before- you made it sound like the sourcecode would be useful in figuring out how to hack the offical dash further, not actually add some code to it. For that, I apoligize and agree that'd be great. I still say the effort would be better spent on a homebrew dash, since this is supposed to be a homebrew scene, but that's a matter of personal opinion.
Anyway, I've lead this topic far astray, and the main subject has been discussed and resolved in its own matter. Feel free to PM me if you want to continue the discussion, but I'm leaving this topic to wither away.

[wongtong2g]

As for my two cents - im very dissapointed this happened but oDD and lantus are continuing programming so im glad for that.  There's been probably 2 posts worth keeping so please either lock up this thread or delete it, those who havent posted could wait 2 days without bitching

Iriez, though i initially thought you were sorta nazi-ish after the whole hackawa deal, i really do have unimaginable respect for how much you do

despite my intense appreciation for lantus & odd, i cant bash on cluis or darebel because i did use some of their halomods and did enjoy and appreciate em.  they should be shameful for this, but i hope this doesnt cause a rift or conflict that hurts halo customization either (esp. w/ halo2 comin out soon) - i hope everyone can get over this after their official n64 release, just dont want this scene turning into the ps2 one

i still think closing this thread or even deleting it would be the best possible option, it'll shut everyone up for a couple days followed by lots of joy

[wongtong2g]

i agree that people who sell emulation are the lowest form of human beings in the whole deal.  I was at the kgp computer show at the raritan center and saw ppl selling xbox & pc emu packs for over $50!! each!! sadder thing is, my dad looked at it and was like 'wow isnt that cool? i should buy some for your little brother'.  i choked and was like 'dad did you even see my xbox?'