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[JSanford]

Absolutely, I get where you are coming from TomisH but let me see if I can allow you to see what I think could possibly happen.

oDD works like crazy to have this release out in a day or two. People flock to download it. People have hyped this EMU beyond belief, but after downloading it and using it find that even though it's well put together the same problems are still evident because of the "older" code. People post thousands of questions why it won't do everything they just thought it should do. Dev finally gets tired of the lack of appreciation, then voila no more updates to Surreal64.

This is a predictable result when looking back at the way the EMU scene has unfolded in the past.

[Beelzebud]

Anyone that didn't consider the limitations of the PC emus this was being ported from weren't being realistic.  If anyone expected a 100% compatabile emu, they are stupid, and have obviously never even looked into n64 emulation on the PC.  The fact that this emu combines 3 PC emulators is a first.  And because of this, it WILL support more games than any of the emus would, had they been ported seperately.

And in any case.  It doesn't matter.  You are making points about a LEAKED emu.  This is not the version the officially released so you really can't comment on anything to do with compatability or when they should release.  Officially they haven't released it yet.

Be realistic here.    

[MaDHat]

Ok, this is ridiculous.

As much as it sucks that it was leaked..  you're all hypocrites.

First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator.  You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain.  The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too.  Nobody seems to care about that.

Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too.

And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work.  Thats a cop out excuse.

I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released.  I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit..  he steals games too, so he deserves it.

Thank you for your time.

[MiL0]

[JSanford]

Why is it so hard for some to understand that the limitations I am speaking of are inherently found in the 3 PC emulators this new EMU is ported from. This is not the Dev's fault, he is working very hard to give us this "first" all-in-one type EMU. Being realistic means giving credit where it's due but also staying within the bounds of what this EMU is truly capable of. I am not making this statement based on seeing the new emu because I am not one who got the "leaked" version, but merely I am attempting to state what I feel is a safe prediction based on what this EMU is being ported from, as well as what its being ported to.

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QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 04:59 PM)

Ok, this is ridiculous. As much as it sucks that it was leaked..  you're all hypocrites. First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator.  You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain.  The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too.  Nobody seems to care about that. Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too. And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work.  Thats a cop out excuse. I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released.  I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit..  he steals games too, so he deserves it. Thank you for your time.

Differnt cultures have differnt customs an ddiffent ponit of views of morality. The scene has a sense of morality within itself. People who are secular see having sex outside of marrige as normal thing while a religious person sees it as a sin. If you are going to be part of a scene then you obey the laws of it.

You can go smoke pot in some countries, but if you come to the USA you can go to jail. Pot equals Ok in some countries, but evil in the US.

You can buy a gun in the US easily because Americans are pro gun but if you have a gun in Europe you are frowned upon.

It all depends on what rules you abide and where you are at.

While at Xbox scene or in Xbox emulation in general you do not screw over the authors that make the Emu's that is the law and it is frowned upon. So get it over it.

BTW I have 30 N64 carts so I have supported the compnaies that make it thank you very much. Many people here have them as well and just want to play the games at 640x480 on there TV's without th euse of a PC.

[SuRF3R]

QUOTE

Quote from a post by CaisedoLuis And don't think of it as a neighbors house becuase it was my account and i had access. If a neighbor gave me access to his house then i would go in.

Does that mean that if i give you the key of my house that you will TAKE anything i got in my house?
And then spread the stuff?

[SniperKilla]

QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 03:59 PM)

Ok, this is ridiculous. As much as it sucks that it was leaked..  you're all hypocrites. First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator.  You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain.  The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too.  Nobody seems to care about that. Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too. And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work.  Thats a cop out excuse. I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released.  I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit..  he steals games too, so he deserves it. Thank you for your time.

1 big difference here...

n64 game devs and xbox game devs are getting paied millions.

[MaDHat]

Millions?  Where are you getting your facts, pal?  

I'm really sure developers of struggling software companies are getting paid millions.  

Besides, it's not about money, it's a moral issue.  

If I walk into a huge record store, and steal a cd, does that make it better than stealing from a mom and pop music store?  Stealing is stealing, period.  It doesnt matter how much it's worth, or how much the person will lose.

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QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:21 PM)

Oh please.  You can't 'screw over' the developers of emulators, but you CAN do it to people who make the games in the first place, without which there would be no emulators, or 'scene'? Theres no 'scene law', theres morals.. and when it comes to the emulation scene, nobody has any.  If we did, we wouldn't be playing ANY roms that we don't own the cartridge of.   So when an emulator gets leaked, don't get all bitchy, because you really have no say. If the creator of the emulator didn't steal ANY games, then you may have a valid point.  But really.. what are the chances of that.  Now he knows how other developers feel. Thank you, again, for your time.

So my question is why are you here then? Did you come all this way and register to educate people on moral values?

You sort of missed my point. Yes having roms are ilegal, does that mean that people at X-S.com do not have the right to complain when they feel somthing is wrong?

They have all the right to do so even if they have ilegal roms.

[Vegeta]

QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:25 PM)

Besides, it's not about money, it's a moral issue.

So it's ok to steal from somene who steals AND it's a moral issue?  

[da_shiznit]

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QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:31 PM)

This thread is going to go to like 500 posts if I don't shutup, so I'll stop now.

No hard feelings.  

[OutComputeU_123]

Concurring with most, A leak is always fucked up, certainly.
Without volunteering tmi, I've had it occur. It does suck.
And without saying, condolences to the devs. They can/will get over it, and Im also certain this will provide them/all/everyone with a learning experience, albeit a slight and soon to be forgotten one by the masses.
Ironic are the people whos only involvement with surreal will be when theyre playing it, for you to be grief stricken by a leak, and respond as if a great blow to humanity has been struck, Get your mind right.
I find it pointless to cry about being bitten, when youre playing with a snake for a hoola-hoop. For aged viewers of these boards, I believe we/they understand the nature of the beast here. Personally... I was expecting this to happen.


Clandestine Hacking/Programming, you name it.... has always existed with, came from if you will, a spirit of "bucking the system"  (read :  NOT LEAKING OTHER PEOPLES HACKING/CRACKING, im not endorsing or supporting THIS leak. heh)
Needless is the dissertation on morality and ethics involved though. Regardless of moral views held inbetween it all, thats how it came to be. From bucking the system. Not respect, not props, and not profit, those things came much later when those that bucked the system, got hired by it.

A leak of it, to me, only goes to prove a few things, That people are STILL assholes,  that nearly 20 years later the spirit of clandestine hacking hasnt changed much, in one form or another, and people are still leaking shit that is supposed to be secret.
Yawn. There ARE no secrets. Not in this business.

I wont even get into the rigamarole of trusting other people aside from yourself with intellectual property heh.

Make what you will of the leak. Bad. Good? But remember its of no true benefit to yourself if youre boycotting an unofficial release by not using it. Really.
If its available, use it You have the option. Self denial for morality's sake is better left to religions not science.
And if youre using it, be a true pimp and paypal Odd, another true pimp, some lunch money.

I would.

[Vegeta]

 Your just an idiot trying to get people pissed and get alittle attention. Njoy your 2 mins of fame.