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[AlphaWolf]

QUOTE (NerdENerd @ Jun 11 2003, 05:12 PM)

Any retard how keeps using the point that the author did it for the money should just think for a second, I know it is hard for most of you fuckwits, but what was the point of the contest? To motivate someone to port a N64 emu.

Ok let me clear up what I am saying for a second. I have never said once that there is anything wrong with the authors motivation, nor with the emulator itself, and I never made any comment to that effect earlier (or at least it wasn't intended that way). What I am saying is that the nature of the contest itself is flawed.

In other words, as a direct response to your comment, the point of the contest itself wasn't well thought out. Ok we get an N64 emulator ported with some basic functionality. Then what? Thats it? What is there to guarentee that it goes beyond what the contest calls for?

[Ed_209]

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QUOTE (Ed_209 @ Jun 12 2003, 12:54 AM)

You can't make everyone happy. Even if the PJ-64x emulator ran perfect, perfect sound, customizable controls and the dvd drive ejected to hold onto your beer, people would complain about how unprofessional the menu looks or anything else that doesn't appear as a gift from god. My point is, there will always be people that appreciate the little things and there will always be cynical critics complaining just for the sake of complaining.  Most of the complaints that people were making and the only one that I had was how there was no way to customize the controls. I wasn't expecting the emulator of all emulators, I mean PJ 64 didn't even run all that perfect on pc, so I wasn't holding my breath for 100% perfection. I mean, I am just happy that I can play mario kart 64 battle mode with my friends, but I still wish I could hop up and down in my kart...but that will be fixed soon. I'll just eat my popcorn and keep reading all of the drama in the forums in the meantime

Why am I seeing so many people talking shit about all those unappreciative people? If you really read through these threads you aren't seeing a lot of negative feedback about the emu. There are a few, but not that many. I just keep seeing all these ya-hoo's coming into this thread saying shit like "You can't make some people happy" or "Some people will never be
satisfied". I have no problem with saluting the author of this emu. He did a great job!! I would say there are maybe three
people that made negative comments about the emu. Go after them! Nobody's talking shit about the emu here. Please.
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[Iriez]

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Iriez- You know I luv ya and all but this is bullshit. I can see the author (and yourself) not being thrilled with the negativeremarks, but he's already talking about giving it up? After all this wasn't a labor of love here, Iriez. He did it for the money. I'm not complaining about my donation because anybody that donated knew what they were doing. They weren't forced to donate. But for you to tell us the author is considering just "quitting the project", don't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. Peace and I look forward to your response.

First of all, NO, it is not bullshit. A developers motive to do what he wants to do is his own agenda, and cannot be bullshit because it his HIS decision for HIS life. You have no place whatsoever to complain.

Lets just clarify the issue abit. First, he wouldnt give it up. He would continue working on it, but it would be private. I would have it, various respected trustworthy people would have it, but the thousand little tards on this board would not.

For all of you that say he did it for the money, and only the money, you are completely and entirely wrong. He spent 6 weeks working on this beta. This guy is a amazing developer. If making this port was his job, if he was getting paid to do this, he would be making 3 times less than what he's making now. Do you really think he needs it? Lets not forget there will be donations to emulation64 and what not from the winnings. The fact is, he's a developer. He does what he does because he likes writing code, and he likes seeing a happy face on the end user. People dont release public programs because they are selfish by nature.

Given this scenario, if 75% of the public did nothing but bitch whine and moan about your program, tell me, what exactly is the motivation to continue the project? If its personal motivation that continues the project after the point of nonstop bitching, then the project becomes personal, not public.

Is it wrong of him to feel let down when everyone bitches after he just spent 6 freaking weeks on this project? I mean christ, what are you guys, dense? We are talking about a work of art here. If your not a developer you cannot understand the frustrations and quarrels involved in a scenario like this.

Also, when did i say he was GOING to quit? I said considered. It was a passing thought. Such things happen in negative scenarios. Such things happen when stress is put upon you. Thats life.

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theres a huge possibility that the author will no longer want to work on it anymore because he isn't getting paid for it. Now with people like haikaru, they are just doing it because they like doing it, whether the money stops or not, they are still going to continue with it.IMO, in all probability, its likely that haikarus emulator will sooner or later get right to where this one is because the work is just going to keep continuing, once that happens, its more likely that somebody else will pick up his emulator than this one, causing it to eventualy supercede this one, where in turn this one ends up getting nowhere, and the donations end up being wasted.

This is entirely untrue. He's not 'getting paid' for it. He is being compensated for his personal work. As i have stated from the beggining of open PR statements regarding this project, he has always planed to continue the project. Or did you miss the ten thousand posts i made that said that?

Also, not to talk shit on hikaru, but the guy has zero motivation. He starts a project, works a week on it, and releases it. Then he releases a new version within 5 days with fixes. The end. He has never progressivly continued a project. He will never *ever* get close to what pj64-X has *currently* achived. I think you dont have a clue how much sweat has gone into this port.

I also find it very unlikely that anyone will pick up the pj64-X sources and do something fantastic with it. This guy has been dealing with this code for 6 weeks straight, and has achieved what a respected developer said would never happen. Its obvious this wasnt pie and cake, and having a outside source 'pick it up' and do major progression is unlikely. The current author will continue the developerment and kick ass as he always has.

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I think this is in a way X-Ports fault. Before you start flamming let me explain. When he released his first try at the psx it played way to many games to well. Not that this is a bad thing but I think people came to expect that someone would be able to do the same thing with the n64. The fact is these systems are completely different. That and I'm pretty sure X-port and his team worked on his port a lot longer than the person(s) who ported pj64.

To clarify this scenario, N64 emulation is *alot* harder on the xbox than psx. Two entirely different platforms. Also, im not going into specifics because im not sure if XPort would appreciate it, but PJ64-X's development in total hours spent is a reasonable amount more than what was spent on pcsxbox (to my best knowledge) ...i could be wrong =)

After all this wasn't a labor of love here, Iriez. He did it for the money.

I feel sorry that people like you exist. You make statements regarding reality that is entirely unrealistic. For you to make a personal judgement on another human beings agenda without knowing that person is flat out absolutly ludicrous.

Lets remember one thing about N64 emulation aswell guys...

PJ64-X by default comes with Jabo's graphics plugin and zlimar's sound ( i believe ) ...both of which are closed source. You can use neither of those plugins when porting to xbox. To compare PJ64 on the PC to PJ64-X is a completely biased comparison, and by nature unfair.

Also, i would like to apologize for the hasty decision. It was 4am when i made the contest closed statement and i was a little delerious = ) No one should be shot down for demanding more of a explanation, each and every donee has a right to know. You guys helped make this happen.

[dmb062082]

well put iriez, i would have not said it better myself or something. But i disagree about the hikaru comment to some extent. I hear he is putting everything he has into chihirox and will continue untill the xbox is dead.

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QUOTE (Iriez @ Jun 12 2003, 01:12 AM)

Also, i would like to apologize for the hasty decision. It was 4am when i made the contest closed statement and i was a little delerious = ) No one should be shot down for demanding more of a explanation, each and every donee has a right to know. You guys helped make this happen.

Ok, was that so difficult??? You feel sorry that I exist you say? That's a good one. Maybe I was wrong with that comment but I also felt since he wasn't getting the "thanks and respect" he deserved, he was after all getting the pot. Am I so off
base for thinking that? Maybe he is someone who is passionate about doing this. And $2500 is really a pretty small amount of money for the time he probably invested in this. I NEVER said a bad thing about this emu. I just wanted a little clarification
(Which you gave me, thanks) and you say you feel sorry I exist?? Nice attitude. The thousands of turds on this board???
That was really uncalled for Iriez. If you really read some of the threads, I would say there are no more then 5 people actually talking shit about the emu. That will always happen. They are probably children. I really don't appreciate your little
comment though. Thanks for the fucking well wishes
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[Roam]

"Given this scenario, if 75% of the public did nothing but bitch whine and moan about your program, tell me, what exactly is the motivation to continue the project?"

To prove those 75% wrong, and reward the 25% that are actually rooting your project. Copping out completely and leaving those 25% in the dust would make the author no better than that 75% that were bitching, but I guess that's his right if he wants to.

[bombzhome]

P.S. i was personally OBSESSED with this emu..GO AUTHOR! whoever the he|| r..lol

[GaijinPunch]

Unfortuantely, negativity will be there whenever ANYTHING is released...commercial or not.  It's an unavoidabl fact of the internet, and definitely emulation.   So many emulators have died early deaths b/c of it... it's so sad.  You just have to rise above all that bullshit and do it for yourself.

[tom_g05]

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[Iriez]

Doesnt really matter that its only one entry. PJ64 is known as one of, if not the, best N64 emulator. Its open source, and ported to the xbox, with a devoted developer doing daily progress....what exactly would competition accomplish? Nothing. It wouldnt change a single aspect of his coding. If anything it would hurt things in this situation.

Its expected to get whiners and complainers. Its NOT expected, and certianlly not appreciated to get it on such a large scale. It accomplishes absolutly nothing, except for discouragement.

Like someone said, the only reason there is a appreciation thread is because everyone knows there's just going to be a excessive amount of bitching.

[dmb062082]

its the internet, people will allways complain, people will allways cheer, everybody has a opinion. If its detering the coder from proceeding with work then he needs to seek help. But it isnt and he is not. The contest isnt over, the coder is still working, why is anyone still complaining.

[dmb062082]

QUOTE (Drewus @ Jun 12 2003, 06:02 AM)

Nowhere in the contest criteria does it say that the guy has to continue work on the project. As long as he has met the goals then he has every right to take the money, and just like Iriez has pointed out, the guy WILL fix the control problem thus making him eligable to win. Seriously, what the hell pleases you people? Over a week ago before the emulator was released you had shit all to use other than an N64 emulator with no sound and no compatibility with other games other than M64. Now you have a project that has atleast met the criteria in a competition that YOU donated to, knowing full well what the goals were, and you are still not happy. The competition doesn't even come into it anymore, it's come down to a bunch of hyped up 11 year old fanboy's expecting far too much and not getting what they wanted. And because of this they are using the competition as a scapegoat. Show some support for the guy for fucks sake, he did what you wanted by creating a project that was said to be impossible to create (fact) and now he get's backstabbed by the very same community he was working for. If you atleast gave him some encouragement then maybe he will want to continue working on the project, but at the moment i cant blame him if he wants to grab the money and run, i sure as hell would.

dude people have every right to bitch. They can bitch about the sky being blue if they want to and thats fine. Suck it up, you wont ever get away from it just learn to accept it and deal with it because it will allways be there. Sure I would like to smack some of them, and some also bring up a few valid points as well. No point in bitching back. You would probably get more satisfaction sitting back and laughing at them.

[TwisTz]

QUOTE (dmb062082 @ Jun 12 2003, 06:15 AM)

QUOTE (Drewus @ Jun 12 2003, 06:02 AM) Nowhere in the contest criteria does it say that the guy has to continue work on the project. As long as he has met the goals then he has every right to take the money, and just like Iriez has pointed out, the guy WILL fix the control problem thus making him eligable to win. Seriously, what the hell pleases you people? Over a week ago before the emulator was released you had shit all to use other than an N64 emulator with no sound and no compatibility with other games other than M64. Now you have a project that has atleast met the criteria in a competition that YOU donated to, knowing full well what the goals were, and you are still not happy. The competition doesn't even come into it anymore, it's come down to a bunch of hyped up 11 year old fanboy's expecting far too much and not getting what they wanted. And because of this they are using the competition as a scapegoat. Show some support for the guy for fucks sake, he did what you wanted by creating a project that was said to be impossible to create (fact) and now he get's backstabbed by the very same community he was working for. If you atleast gave him some encouragement then maybe he will want to continue working on the project, but at the moment i cant blame him if he wants to grab the money and run, i sure as hell would. dude people have every right to bitch. They can bitch about the sky being blue if they want to and thats fine. Suck it up, you wont ever get away from it just learn to accept it and deal with it because it will allways be there. Sure I would like to smack some of them, and some also bring up a few valid points as well. No point in bitching back. You would probably get more satisfaction sitting back and laughing at them.

I bet all the people that are bitching are < 13 years old, cause they sound like a bunch of spoilt brats.

[dmb062082]

QUOTE (Drewus @ Jun 12 2003, 06:25 AM)

Thank you dmb for that insightful reply, i feel like my soul has been cleansed by you're words. From now on i'll make sure i accept everyone's bullshit, put up with people making uncalled outbursts and generally just act like a rag doll when it comes to a discussion. There is every point in bitching back, to get my point across. Follow you're rule of thumb and the entire world would be full of people who think they know it all. Yes, arguing/bitching will always be there, thank you for pointing that out because you know, i totally didn't realise that. So because bitching will always be there, i guess i better go and bitch/argue with a few more people then? Talk about contradicting yourself.........

what ever dude, just flame back! bitch till your little heart is content, im just sick of reading nothing but complaints everywhere, complaint complaints!!!! And NOW complaints about complaints. This place is turning into the dreamcast scene man! This is EXACTLY how it was before it crashed.