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[guile]

QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Jun 11 2003, 06:21 PM)

think its what badmonkey said it was that sudden closer of compitition on the site and no follow up info thats peeid them, kinda people .. well thats all i can think of as an excuse for them !!

I don't know if your referring to me, but I assume so. I am not "peeid" at all. In fact I'm quite happy and if you can find any
post where I said a negative thing about this emu, show me. I just wanted some clarification about the contest. So, does that mean that I'm ungrateful?
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[Beelzebud]

I think it comes down to a lot of people that have never used a PC N64 emulator, having way too high of expectations.  The N64 emulators on the PC don't even do "perfect", or "flawless" emulation of any titles.  

That being said, this emulator is very impressive!  Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.  I'm just going to trust that whoever was intelligent enough to make this emu is also intelligent enough to know that there are a whole lot more of us out there that thinks this emu is cool.  

I just can't wait to see what the future brings for the N64 and Playstation emus.  An enormous amount of potential here.

[noodle1009]

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After all this wasn't a labor of love here, Iriez. He did it for the money.

That's where the 'real world job' comment came from.  All I am saying is that if he's ready to quit, it probably doesn't make a difference whether or not he was getting paid to do the emulator or not.  Money or not, negative comments are never encouraging.  If I got into an arguement with my boss and we had a fundamental disagreement, if he were to tell me, "well, you do this for the money, deal with it" I wouldn't take that very well.  The fact that he wasn't doing this for free speaks volumes more about how frustrated he is with the negative response.

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting more information about why the contest is over.  I don't think you're whining.  If you don't understand why the guy that did the port is discouraged by the negative remarks, and was thinking about giving up on it, thinking about a real world job is certainly relevant.  I know that's why I feel the way I feel about this topic and I understand the frustration.

[Mars10]

Thx for your time and effort you put into this project. (We love you)  

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[mike4001]

So let´s hope he will continue his work and don´t care about people who don´t know how much work is being put into an emulator like this. So, don´t give up !!!

mike4001

[AkumAPRIME]

For christs sake, weve still got people waiting fo and complaining about a ps2 or GC emu. these people should be removed from the genepool

[openwindow]

QUOTE (AkumAPRIME @ Jun 11 2003, 07:35 PM)

For christs sake, weve still got people waiting fo and complaining about a ps2 or GC emu. these people should be removed from the genepool

Amen to that statement.

[LumbraX]

I still cant belive he is still working on the project...... The threads I were reading last night had atleast 73% negativity towards the Emu and Author...
If I were an author and that happen to me, I would make a personal final version for myself, then make movies and screenshots to show everyone... (Then say something  like "This is what u get for Bitching, a Movie and Screenshots of a Build u will never see)

Some people are just idiots these days...

[AlphaWolf]

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originaly posted by guile: After all this wasn't a labor of love here, Iriez. He did it for the money. I'm not complaining about my donation because anybody that donated knew what they were doing.

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originaly posted by skabio: That and I'm pretty sure X-port and his team worked on his port a lot longer than the person(s) who ported pj64. They werent under any pressure to release anything until they were happy with it.

Exactly the reasons why a contest of this nature is a bad idea, just like I was saying earlier. Even if this emulator meets all 3 goals, theres a huge possibility that the author will no longer want to work on it anymore because he isn't getting paid for it. Now with people like haikaru, they are just doing it because they like doing it, whether the money stops or not, they are still going to continue with it.

Now you might say "well, its open source, so somebody will continue it". Well, thats about halfway true. First you need to tell me who is both capable and interested in resuming this particular project? There are a few factors that downplay this possibility, the first being that this project was rushed, so theres a good possibility of the code being a bit messy and not very well documented, so it would be more difficult for somebody to just come and pick it up out of nowhere. Then, another author who would *possibly* update it might look at it like "damn, the original author made a hell of a lot of money on this, and I will just be adding to his fame and not getting any of the cut by contributing to this emulator".

IMO, in all probability, its likely that haikarus emulator will sooner or later get right to where this one is because the work is just going to keep continuing, once that happens, its more likely that somebody else will pick up his emulator than this one, causing it to eventualy supercede this one, where in turn this one ends up getting nowhere, and the donations end up being wasted.

Hell, theres a strong possibility that I am wrong in all of this, but this is the way I have always seen it since I first heard of it.

[openwindow]

Who cares if the guy doesn't want to work on it anymore? Who the hell are we to tell him to continue or not? This thread just gets worse and worse.

Let me break it down here for you. You donated money to a project. You didn't donate it to a specific programmer. You didn't donate it for a specific code base. You donated for someone to have working code with an 8 meg rom by June 9th. Mission accomplished.

The source code was released. Mission accomplished.

The GOAL of the PROJECT was met. Mission accomplished.

You get what you donated for, the developer gets the money, the public gets the code, everyone is happy. But NOOOOOO, everyone is now bitching.

The R button fiasco will be fixed. If you have VC++.net, take the 4 minutes and recode it yourself, it's that simple.

And as far as no one wanting to pick up someone elses work. Let me say this: Hikaru, Lantus, Xport et all have always picked up someone else's work. They never wrote the emulators themselves. They PORTED them (and have done an excellent job by any account). They, or anyone else interested in porting, would probably be thrilled to get a working code base to work off of. The people you mentioned haven't asked for money before, what makes you think that they'd be turned off that someone made money off of the code that they are using?

Bottom line: NO ONE who donated has a reason to complain. The rules were pretty damn clear, and the goals were met. PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T DONATE have no reason to complain that the money they didn't donate didn't yield what they expected. AND NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO BITCH ABOUT THE DEVELOPER, since I don't see anyone else doing jack s--- with the code that was released. Money or no money, put up or shut up. What have these whiners done for the scene?

I'll get off the soap box now.

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[explicitlyrics100]

but the person with the programming skill to start the project may see that it is going well and continue his great work. it is understandable that he should wish to stop without any funding but there is still the last goal to be achieved so all is not lost quite yet.  Chris

[openwindow]

QUOTE (AlphaWolf @ Jun 11 2003, 09:36 PM)

Correct about the continuing, however, re-read what I said about this specific scenario and try again. If nobody wanted to start this project to begin with without being paid, then what makes you think somebody is equaly interested in continuing it without being paid? Now, I didn't donate myself (obviously), but, I think those who did donate were under the impression that this emulator would go beyond what the original goals were. If they were told that this emulator would ONLY do what the goals stated were, and would never see anything beyond that, do you think they would have donated? Hell, if I am wrong, then more power to you, but look around a bit first.

I think now that there is a solid code base to work with (and let's be frank here, the beta as it is now is a VERY solid piece of code for being ported around 2 months) with rom support, who's to say that it's not easier to build off of that? Lantus tried with PJ64 but was unable to get Mario64 running without severe problems. Now it's running near perfect. Perhaps that would be motivation to look at the code and build off of that? Obviously whatever development hurdle he met with has been cleared now, right?

I didn't donate to this project either, so I don't have any right to be saying anything about the emulator. But I didn't think that the contest rules were misleading. An 8Mb cart is playing perfect (let's set aside the R button, which will be fixed soon, for a second). The first stage is now met. How can anyone complain about that? It's exactly what it says.

Wolf, I've been around here for a while, as have you. You've been thru the LunarEclipse thing, Lantus' attempt, the Daedelus leak. We've seen it all. I think anyone who donated was skeptical as to the results. If they felt that they were let down by goal one being met, fine, let them say so. There are 3 pretty clearly stated goals there, and the source has to be released. I think asking anything above and beyond that might be a bit of a utopian dream. It's obvious going in that the developer PROBABLY is doing this for the money, so it's PROBABLY foolish to believe that development would continue beyond those goals.

FORTUNATELY, it seems like that's not the case. But time will tell.

[openwindow]

I would have liked to see a few competing emulators, but it just seems no one wanted to submit one or had one ready to sumbit. Nothing any of us can do about that though. We have only one PSX emu and that's working out so far.

I think it's just a little too early to be whining and crying foul. Wait a week or two, and then let's see where the progress is. It's certainly fun to watch tho!

[alx5962]

I'm sad that xbox emu porters only care about negative feedback mostly. I mean, some stupid people flame them, and the result is that everyone is blamed for that! Some people are very admirative by the talent of those coders so please, just mind about us.
We love to play xbox emus (even if those emus are not all the time perfect but they will if people still work on them).  
And by stopping to work on its project , we - the admirative people- are as disapointed as the coder and the worst thing is that we did our best to help or to stop flaming people!
It's something unfair for me, so I hope one day coders will care more about us and no more about few dumb members.