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[Iriez]

QUOTE (lucas @ May 15 2003, 06:01 PM)

no, you're right. but i doubt Home Depot is going to approve of your actions, and in the future you would probably be refused the right to buy such products again. abuse something and be prepared to have it taken away

If he is going to get ants in his pants over a bios, when the package is already compiled with a warez XDK, and distributed underground, then i really dont have much good to say about the guy on that matter. I dont know if he feels this way, or cyrus is just ranting, but i think if he does, he's making a issue out of nothing.

He might aswell start cruising around movie server channels on IRC gathering IP's for the MPAA  

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Thanks Iriez for even replying when you realise you made a mistake.

I always apologize when i feel i made a incorrect statement. I just try to be logical enough that i dont make too many of those  

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jse, your comments are worthless

Well, once you fix his grammer, and clean it up so it atleast has a sembelence of intelligence, its really just the point i've already made, and one that i think is perfectly reasonable.

jse ...stfu, im not too keen on the fanboy stuff. Off the dick.

*cracks the whip*

[Jse]

iriez to your last comment

meh

[AlphaWolf]

In all honesty, nothing bothers me more than when somebody bases their code off of somebody elses work, then absolutely disreguards the requests of the origional authors. (note that emulators aren't the only place that I have seen this in)

Why does anybody do this? Somebody give me an honest answer here. If you base your work on somebody elses, and they charge you nothing for it, why do you totaly disreguard a very very simple request, which is nothing more than to publish the source code? You've already published the binary, the source code is just as easy to publish. (No stupid comments about "well, technicaly the GPL this" either. If you don't understand the spirit of the GPL, then you deserve the word "stupid" tatooed on your forehead)

[VerticalE]

A lot of extremely good points have been made, but there are a few things I would like to point out;

1. "attacking" Xport for breaking the GPL may seem a bit dumb when 99% of all releases are made with a illegal devkit. Who do you think Xport wanna get sued by? Makers of PCSX or M$?

2. Won't incidents like this onle cause more emulators to be closed source, and in the long run hurt the xbox-scene?

3. Someone said that the official XDK will always be better than any homemade devkit. That may be true, but as for the Dreamcast the homemade devkit is WAY better in functionality than the official one (Katana), and in speed I think they are about the same.

4. It is a fact that the xbox-scene is the least respected one among developers, simply because that (most of) the same sources that distribute the emulators and homebrew software also distribute warez as well (for example, emu's with bios images etc). I personally know of coders who shy away because they only see the problems with both distribution AND the persons/places that distributes it.

To stay a bit more on topic; "Should Xport respect the GPL?"
Definately. I think Cyrus is making some very good points, and I totally agree. If Xport doesn't release it, it can only be bad to the community. If he does, and are afraid to put it on his site, distributing it "through the regular channels" could be somewhat of a sollution.

[Large Dopant white]

Why Mage and Iriez keeps thinking this is simply a legal issue is beyond me.
All the statements of, "Well, the wishes of the authors shouldn't be respected because..." (That's what disregarding the licence means, guys) just proves my point in an earlier post: this scene rationalizes why the wrongs we do are right, and then we bitch about how everyone else is a dumbass for not agreeing with us.
For instance, Iriez, it was only a short while ago that you verbally attacked anyone who made a good point; in the now-deleted N64 contest thread, you threw your "I run XBins" around just to "win people" to "your side".
EDIT:Clairification.

[XPort]

See my reply to all this here:

My Response

[CyRUS64]

Commercial  / non-commercial makes no difference.. anyhow this has all been cleared up now, but yes he did legally have to release sources once requested.

[Iriez]

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ May 16 2003, 06:48 AM)

Why Mage and Iriez keeps thinking this is simply a legal issue is beyond me.

Why you cannot read, is beyond me. I have stated, hrmm....9....10 times that this is a morality/respect issue?

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For instance, Iriez, it was only a short while ago that you verbally attacked anyone who made a good point; in the now-deleted N64 contest thread, you threw your "I run XBins" around just to "win people" to "your side".

Since you didnt get it the first time around, let me stupid it up for you.

Someone made a attack on me saying that it was ridiculous how i was a news poster for xbox-scene, and how xantium has made such mistakes in the past before (cheeri0), in effect comparing myself to that of a 14 year old child like cheeri0, and blaming the mistake upon Xantium.

My rebuttle to that comment was the validation of my effort to this scene, in effect to save face for Xantium. I said what i said for him.

Now you can go ahead and compare me to whoever you wish, but making 3rd party judgements is 2x as childish as making personality attacks on me. Kinda like how someone said earlier (i think it was AlphaWolf) how i would never have a girlfriend in my life. I've been in a relationship with my girlfriend, who is 5'4" 115, and very beautiful, for the past 2 and a half years.

In a perfectly rational, and reasonable statement, grow up.

Now, discussion is pretty much done with over xport (atleast in this thread), so i see no need to turn this into a flame war.

Remember that people are human and have lives to take care of, and that all their attention is not focused on 'the scene'.

[AlphaWolf]

QUOTE (carman @ May 16 2003, 12:08 PM)

- Xport doesn't distribute his binary on his web site. you copy it from the under-world IRC channel read GPL 2.0, before you complain

Interesting. Mind telling me where these under-world guys get their binaries from?

[rjm2k]

QUOTE (AlphaWolf @ May 16 2003, 10:01 PM)

QUOTE (carman @ May 16 2003, 12:08 PM) - Xport doesn't distribute his binary on his web site. you copy it from the under-world IRC channel read GPL 2.0, before you complain Interesting. Mind telling me where these under-world guys get their binaries from?

Maybe his PC was hacked!  

Maybe he accidently left a binary/source in a p2p shared directory.

Maybe he gave the source to someone else (with a legal copy of the xdk) and the above happened to that person.