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Jse

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« on: May 11, 2003, 05:52:00 PM »

ok cyrus buddy i agree dev do do more work than porters but you never shut up about it
you repeated youreself like 50 times in the n64 emu contest thread and then you start on xport meh

shouldent you be over at boob messing on your own forums
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feflicker

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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2003, 05:55:00 PM »

They both work equally as hard  wink.gif
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CyRUS64

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2003, 05:56:00 PM »

No, I'm just making a point. These porters are doing a great job with their ports but if people wish to donate to Xport, who supposedly doesnst want donations anyhow, for pcsxbox port then its my freedom to suggest they donate to the original authors instead of the porter. If a game doesn't work with the port and they want it to work then most likely the only way this will happen is if the original authors fix bugs to make it work...
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2003, 05:58:00 PM »

If I ever make an emulator, i'll never make it open source, cause if someone ports it then CyRUS64 will start bitchin.
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CyRUS64

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2003, 06:01:00 PM »

Hehe, well I'm happy to re-address the balances anyhow.. i've only bitched when the narrowminded people in this scene want to donate to a porter who works for a few days porting an emu but an original author such as the pcsx people probably get very few donations and are clearly far more deserving. Porting from win32/directx api to win32/directx api is hardly 'godly' work now is it smile.gif
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CyRUS64

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2003, 06:03:00 PM »

And are jse and jsm brothers or lovers? wink.gif
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Jse

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2003, 06:08:00 PM »

i have no idea who jsm is

jse is and always has stood for

J-STAR-ENTERPRISE
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CyRUS64

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2003, 06:27:00 PM »

Hehe, I was only kidding guys.. thanks for explaining your names. I didn't actually bother to vote at all jsm.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2003, 06:40:00 PM »

You know guys, Cyrus makes a perfectly legitimate and reasonable post on the matter.

It is 100% true that the original dev's have put more effort than someone who ports it.

Like, huge leaps and spans of effort, in comparison to porting. Hundreds of times over more effort than porting.

Im not saying its wrong to donate to xport ..the guy *has* put alot of work into what he has done, regardless of whether its a port or not.

To bring up a finer point, the ideal target is his effort and time given, not neccesarily the program.

If joe bobby spent 2 weeks writing a 2d demo xbe that says hello world, i would still give him props.

I just dont think its neccesary to flame him for having that opinion. Now dont jump on my back about the whole N64 thing, because that was a much more complex scenario. I have always agreed with him that the original dev's deserve more than someone who ports it. The original issue was just legality and fine points on the matter.

XPort wouldnt accept payment for creating a port off others hardwork (code), and i respect him alot for that. Its just all how you look at it. But, atleast i would have to disagree with you on one point cyrus, it is not just a breeze to port things over. Its not a few hour process. Complex things like psx and N64 emulators can take weeks of devoted work to get basic functionality. I understand this is nothing compared to how long it took to write the initial program, but thats not really the issue at hand.

Big thanks to xport for giving once more to this scene, no matter how underground it may be.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2003, 06:48:00 PM »

One thing iriez, which pete requested, is that pcsx is actually under the gpl license, so they are really required to release sourcecode along with this. I dont know if you know xport, but if so could you request he posts that somewhere perhaps on his site. I guess probably a few of those other ports are gpl'd too, but pcsx is what has been requested so he is required to provide source to it. If he has already then my apologies but i cant see it on his site.
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Jse

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2003, 06:57:00 PM »

cyrus he hasnt updated his site in months iriez i agree look at my first post my point is after he has said it once he doesnt need to reapet it 10 times (also known as bitching)
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2003, 07:21:00 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »

QUOTE (CyRUS64 @ May 12 2003, 03:48 AM)
One thing iriez, which pete requested, is that pcsx is actually under the gpl license, so they are really required to release sourcecode along with this. I dont know if you know xport, but if so could you request he posts that somewhere perhaps on his site. I guess probably a few of those other ports are gpl'd too, but pcsx is what has been requested so he is required to provide source to it. If he has already then my apologies but i cant see it on his site.

if it has to be posted on the site I will make sure it is there as i run the server he is on. Give him some time though he is a busy man. Also corect me if im wrong but i thought this emu source was closed to the general public, I read somewhere in a forum post that it was closed as well when it was handed to the team that asked xport for his help I might be wrong. Have yet to check the homepage though I should do that before running my trap eh?

Also cyrus Ive known you off and on for quite a while now you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders and u are a stand up guy in the DC emu scene why the rage and hostility towards xport? Im not comming off as a prick its just the vibes im catching through these forums no pun intented towards u or any thing.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2003, 07:53:00 PM »

QUOTE (nx-neon @ May 12 2003, 04:51 AM)
QUOTE (AlphaWolf @ May 12 2003, 04:21 AM)
user posted image

LMAO now that's funny shit!!!

That did make me chuckle when i got to it. Didnt want to comment on it though.
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MethiusHasTheAIDSPassItOn

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2003, 08:05:00 PM »

QUOTE (dmb062082 @ May 12 2003, 04:45 AM)
QUOTE (CyRUS64 @ May 12 2003, 03:48 AM)
One thing iriez, which pete requested, is that pcsx is actually under the gpl license, so they are really required to release sourcecode along with this. I dont know if you know xport, but if so could you request he posts that somewhere perhaps on his site. I guess probably a few of those other ports are gpl'd too, but pcsx is what has been requested so he is required to provide source to it. If he has already then my apologies but i cant see it on his site.

if it has to be posted on the site I will make sure it is there as i run the server he is on. Give him some time though he is a busy man. Also corect me if im wrong but i thought this emu source was closed to the general public, I read somewhere in a forum post that it was closed as well when it was handed to the team that asked xport for his help I might be wrong. Have yet to check the homepage though I should do that before running my trap eh?

It doesn't matter if he doesn't want it shared or not. Part of the agreement with him downloading someone elses GPLed code is that any modifications that he makes onto that code have to have the source posted as well. It is against the GPL to distribute modified GPL code without distributing the source, and therefore if the authors of PCSX wanted to they could sue Xport's ass off.

But aside from the rather obvious legal issues present, there's also a moral issue. PCSX gave all of their hard earned code to the public so that the public could learn from it, and develop something on their own if they choose. If Xport is using their code which was generously donated to him by people that have spent far more time coding it than he has, don't you think it's kind of fucked up for him to keep it to himself?
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