Topic: Whats The Most Useful Language (Read 283 times)

.:**:. · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2003, 07:54:00 PM »

The best and newest Is C# (thats what i'm working on).

dmb062082 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2003, 09:35:00 PM »

QUOTE (Iriez @ Aug 5 2003, 03:47 AM)

QUOTE (LinksAwakening @ Aug 4 2003, 06:14 PM)

I've recently decided to get into C++ programming (with my Visual C++ 6 Introductory Edition), and I have a great Beginner's understanding of it...

Im in the same boat with you ; )

I decided to skip the VB and go straight to c++. I've played with TCL for a while, so im not a complete moran.

Ive been using these tutorials here to teach myself...

http://www.cprogramm...m/tutorial.html

Check em out, perhaps it could be of some use.

Sorta sounds like me, just a little younger. Ive been playing with c++ off and on for a year and i think i have console programing locked down decent now. Unlike you though Im just now getting into vb as well (talk about ass backwards)and ill try to play with both at the same time and hopefully some diirectX stuff in the future. Sigh, unlike you guys I have the attention span of a fly and bounce around from thing to thing on my pc but still manage to learn enough to get me by. But let me tell this to ANYONE young. Go to fucking college when your 17 or 18 please. I only wish I didnt have to work like a slave for 50 hours a week in a field I fucking hate which deters my goal in landing at least a 2 year and a job in web development. Heed my warning to anyone a few years younger than me. Dont buy shit dont get credit cards dont party dont get in debt and go straight to school or you will fuck yourself. Id give my left nut to go back about 5 years and im not lying about that. Dont make the mistakes some people do.

Oh yeah iriez let me know when you get past arays and into shit like polymorphisim!

Wishi · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2003, 03:13:00 AM »

Since lots of people seem to ask in the chat I thought I'd better actually find a link to give out. I've not read through it but I've had a glance over it and it seems alright so some of you might want to take a read.

http://cplus.about.c... tutorials.htm

You'll probably want to get a popup killer if you go through the whole collection of articles before about.com drives you insane.

gamingguru · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2003, 10:53:00 AM »

Isn't basic a procedural oriented programing language?
If this guy plans on learning something shouldn't he focus on OOP language.

The unProfessional · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2003, 11:54:00 AM »

Try not to confuse people with the "C# is best" remark...

C# is nothing like C++. The syntax is moderately similar. C#, in terms of syntax, is much closer to Java.

But an important thing to mention is that C# is for programming under the .NET framework, along with VB.NET. Standard C/C++, at least when writing windows GUI apps, usually involves using the Win32 API or MFC... Using C# or VB.NET for windows GUIs is much quicker and easier, but you will sacrifice performance.

Do not assume C# is an improvement to C++... they serve different purposes.

Jsmith · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2003, 12:19:00 PM »

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keep in mind, every snot-nosed CS major is coming out with 4 years worth of Java... and a degree to back it up.

I don't know about that Ben. I got my bachelors in CS and am currently going on for my Master's in CS (which I'll finish in January), and Java is certainly not the focus of education at my University, or at my friend's university. THere is one Java course which isn't required. That's it. C and C++ is the major focus here.

I mean, think about it. If Java is as dead in the workplace as you paint it out to be, why would it be the focus of education for CS majors at universities? It's not. There's ussually a course or two, but that's about it from what I've seen.

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They are a dime a dozen

That's true, but that's only because Java is so incredibly easy to learn if you know C++.

But the beauty of Java to me is its cross platformness. As Linux becomes more popular, I think so too will Java. Companies will either have to:
a ) Write programs for each platform
b ) Write C++ code using the QT libraries to stay cross platform (but still have difficulties)
c ) Write a java program

To me, with the high speed of computers today, taking the Java route is the obvious one of the above choices. But that is just an oppinion and I'm sure QT fans will argue with me.

Anyway, point is, I wouldn't stick a fork in Java yet. I'm waiting to see what happens with Linux on the desktop market first. The new distros are getting really good, and MS bad-taste is growing with consumers. Plus, with the slumping economy, schools and businesses are truly investigating Linux for the desktops. By the time Xandros 5, or Lindows 10 is out, I think MS is gonna start to lose some decent market share. Not enough for them to lose their monopoly, but certainly enough where software houses will start to look at it as a potential market.

The unProfessional · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2003, 12:25:00 PM »

having Java experience won't get you a job... and since we're "a dime a dozen", you'd better make sure you're marketable.

I also recently graduated with a bachelor's in CS. I only took a single course that involved any java, and it was a crappy 2nd-year languages course. If you truly know CS grads with 4 years of Java experience, let me know what University they came from so I can point and laugh.

Edit: I learned Java for a couple of projects a few years ago... it's a quick learn for an experienced programmer, but I doubt you'll find yourself writing java apps often... unless you really need to deal with cross-platform environments.

gamingguru · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2003, 04:58:00 PM »

So what im hearing from the people that have been to school on this is that c++ is the main thing to learn and java is just a little extra goody that can come in later?

Jsmith · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2003, 06:37:00 PM »

QUOTE (gamingguru @ Aug 6 2003, 07:58 PM)

So what im hearing from the people that have been to school on this is that c++ is the main thing to learn and java is just a little extra goody that can come in later?

Exactly. Once you know C++, typically any other language can be learned within days (and many times within hours), Java included. Going from Java to C++ I think would be a harder transition.

If all you want to do is be able to write a program or 2 that you and your friends can run, then just learn visual basic. But, if you want to be a programmer and make a career out of this, you really gotta learn C/C++.

The best book that I've found is:
Teach yourself C++ in 21 days (author: Liberty)
But I'm sure there's many other good books out there. That one assumes you know nothing though and is good at teaching you the basics.

But what you said is exactly true.

dmb062082 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:48:00 AM »

QUOTE (Jsmith @ Aug 7 2003, 03:37 AM)

The best book that I've found is:
Teach yourself C++ in 21 days (author: Liberty)

Thats what i used along with a few others as well that were copy and paste friendly. However my 21 days turned into about 50, but the book did a great deal of help. Nite.

LepPpeR · « **Reply #25 on:** August 07, 2003, 12:59:00 AM »

I really ought to learn how to program.....

gamingguru · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:41:00 PM »

I've know some of JAVA, like how you are supposed to for programs with differnent classes that all contain methods that are encapsulated from one another.And how to make windows and other little things like buttons with the Swing api.

Is c++ pretty much the same in how it is set up or will I be in for a big chanalge swiching over my free time studies?

Devil-Man · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2003, 10:06:00 PM »

<?php> baby!!!!
c'mon i had to throw that in there. if you're a c/c++ pimp then you pretty much know php.

poiygon · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2003, 10:16:00 PM »

After reading this thread I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Python. It's a completely free programming language for multiple platforms (even comes packaged with some linux distros). Check it out at http://www.python.org/. There are many free resources linked on the site that will take a know-nothing to a know-it-all.

Don't get me wrong, it's not C/C++ but it does have some good points. If you're really interested in programming with an emphesis in gaming, learn Visual Baic or Visual C++ and try to work in some Direct X into your learning experience.

gcskate27 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 11, 2003, 10:06:00 AM »

i was forced pascal in high school to start with, then went on to college and got c, then went to england in my second year on exchange and the university over there does a degree completely in java (so there are some)... back in the us though its all c/c++ at my school...

c isnt that hard to start on so i would suggest starting with that, then moving to c++, then winning the lottery and just program for fun...

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