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[Morglum]

Your trying to say linux is poor simply because it wont run windows applications nativly, thats like bitching MACs wont run Windows applications, i hate to break it to you but windows executables are NOT a standard and nore will they ever be, there is no need for any other OS to support them. Then saying you'll have trouble with wine, which isnt even classed as alpha, thats just retarded. If you're so desperate to use your windows trash on linux use VMware, else dont use linux at all.

[Morglum]

Anyone dumb enough to think they can play their windows games nativly on linux needs taking behind the shed and beating with a lead pipe, with any luck it'll knocksome sence into them. Thats like buying an N64 and expecting to be able to play playstation games on it. I dont know how anyone could even think you can play windows based games on a linux system, theyre 2 totally differant systems.

And my state of mind is utter dispair, i cant believe how utterly stupid some people can be, no bloody wonder the worlds in the poor state it is, there so many stupid people populating it.

[TB_88]

I installed debian linux on my xbox and i needed to be root to get the sound working andd im a linux noob so how could i learn to fix the sound...

[mxlegend99]

QUOTE (Morglum @ Jun 20 2003, 07:03 AM)

Your trying to say linux is poor simply because it wont run windows applications nativly, thats like bitching MACs wont run Windows applications, i hate to break it to you but windows executables are NOT a standard and nore will they ever be, there is no need for any other OS to support them. Then saying you'll have trouble with wine, which isnt even classed as alpha, thats just retarded. If you're so desperate to use your windows trash on linux use VMware, else dont use linux at all.

I never saw him knock Linux as an OS. All i say was him saying that *most* people, would prefer Windows. And you know what? I definitely would. WIndows is by far easier, there is nothing to it. YOu insert CD ROm, install yada yada, you got an OS, which is setup for your PC. Now when i last tried Linux on my PC, there was alot more to it than that. Granted, i didnt go for an easy install, i went for gentoox. IT was murder. I had to choose what stage i started at, and if i wanted it to be optimised for my system, that would be stage1. And then in compile times etc. It would take forever.
I havent tried Mandrake, so im not sure of its Installer. But i have KDE and WMaker, and they are nowhere near as simple of an interface as Windows XP is. WindowsXP setting up permissions? WTF? YOu said all OS's 200 and up requirte this, well XP doesnt. Sure, Win2000 might, and 2003 does (i am pissed of by that, granted. I put it on one of my otehr PCs....) but XP is simple. Install, play. As for Service Packs, the reason that all that would of taken so long, was probably due to slow connection.
I can install Windows XP (20mins or so), put in all my drivers (video, chipset, sound etc.), put in Service pack 1, and all the other little security thigns that may be new at the time, and all in less than an hour and a half.
And as for there being more apps on Linux, who cares? There is an app for every linux version of it, or one thats similar. Hell the reason for there being so many, is alot are replacements for the WIndows Versions (ie. word etc.). ANd till now, in most parts its fairly similar either way (if you where to use Mandrake with installer), but when it comes to gaming, windows kills it. Sure, Linux may have its share of Linux games, and emulate directx, but isnt the point being argued which is simpler?
WIndows XP = Put in cd, install game, click icon.
Linux = (for the same game you would use in XP) running wine, then setting up the program, then running the program through wine. Sure, its possible for icons with the right command line to launch it, but i know at first, its not so easy to figure out.

Fact of the matter = People like simple shit. I do too. Install a game and click an icon. Play the game. Not worry about having to launch other programs for it to work, and wait for new releases of emulators (wine) for it to work.
BUt then all this is assuming your using a game which dont come on Linux, as most dont..... or atleast the ones i play.

But thats not to knock Linux, i like it. Its nice, not too hard to use, and if you persist, it can do everything that windows can. Its just not as simple.... but for the price, hell who cares. Im happy with Gentoox on my Xbox, and for what im using it for, no, Windows98 isnt needed... but guess what, im putting it on anyway.... go figure:P

Reason = Because i can, plain and simple. Nothing like showing off what the Xbox can really do to your mates who prefer PS2.

[mxlegend99]

[Morglum]

   

[Morglum]

QUOTE (mxlegend99 @ Jun 20 2003, 09:42 AM)

Oh, and Windows2000, and 2003 only require those extra setting, because there server OS's, there not meant for an everyday machine.

Wrong again, windows 2000 pro is a workstation OS. I think im just wasting my time in this thread, no one seems to know WTF theyre talking about, i think i'll leave you all to squabble about incorrect facts for and amongst yourselves.

[mxlegend99]

QUOTE (Morglum @ Jun 20 2003, 09:48 AM)

QUOTE (mxlegend99 @ Jun 20 2003, 09:42 AM) Oh, and Windows2000, and 2003 only require those extra setting, because there server OS's, there not meant for an everyday machine. Wrong again, windows 2000 pro is a workstation OS. I think im just wasting my time in this thread, no one seems to know WTF theyre talking about, i think i'll leave you all to squabble about incorrect facts for and amongst yourselves.

YOu are wasting your time. YOur not listening to a thing thats being said FFS. Nobody is agaisnt Linux, its just been stated windows is Easier. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
A workstation OS is used mainly for what..... a server. And either way, its not for gaming, which is the point i was actually making.

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WTF is it with all these retards and talking about windows games not working right with wine or needing configuration, its fucking emulation! Nothing todo with linux it self. How many linux games can windows emulate 0, oh thats it then , windows is shit.

YOUR THE FUCKEN RETARD. Why the fuck would windows need to emulate it? It has no need, because all the games are made for Windows. Which is the point. again, plain and simple.

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And 20mins to install XP, dont talk out your arsehole

WTF are you on about? 20 mins... thats right. I dont know what POS PC your using, for this to seem impossible to you. Its probably not an exact 20 mins, hence the "or so", but its less than half an hour.  And within an Hour and a Half, its setup for gaming, thats all that matters. I got all my drivers in, all my necessary updates,


You are fucken Ignorant. You have a go at me, for stating nothing but fact. How can you think, that because Linux is in your opinion better, that for every one else, it should be there choice of OS? Windows is Easier. Windows is simpler. Windows does what you want it to, with as little input as possible. Windows has features for if you fuck shit up. ie. Rollback Drivers etc.

Windows is more user friendly. Its easier, and more to the point, its BETTER FOR GAMING. Windows has a larger gaming variety than linux. Even with all the games Linux emulates, and its own, there is no reason for a gamer, to choose linux.
If you werent so up yourself, and didnt think your opinion was be all end all, you would see that.
I in no way had a go at you, and i stated fact, you stated opinion. ANd then you call all us retards for saying Windows is easier to use then Linux? ANd for saying Windows has more games....
And to back your theory up, you say windows cannot run any Linux games.....

I didnt intend to have any conflict, but you are an idiot. You dont take any persons posts into account, and you dont consider why the majority will like something... why must it be that if you have used it for 6yrs, and decided its easier to use, that it is?

[mxlegend99]

BTW, im not posting to you again. Its clear to me, that your some idiot, who wont take one word in that post seriously, and in some way try and make out as if Linux is Easier, and is better for people etc.
I know that 99% of people agree with me that Windows is easier. And for those who dont, well, i'd love to see what logic makes them think that......
Im not saying Linux is hard, just that windows is easier, THATS ALL. Oh, and that its a way better platform for ease of gaming. Even when it emulates things, its as simple as clicking on the rom, and playing it......

[kollision]

Hey morglum I like your Elder Futhark.  FIRST PERSON I SEE WIT IT!!

[feflicker]

If you took someone who had never used either, and taught them from scratch, I believe they could use Linux or Windows, with the SAME learning curve.  

Just because you were taught on a windows system doesn't make it *easier*. That makes it more *comfortable*  

[mxlegend99]

QUOTE (feflicker @ Jun 20 2003, 11:18 PM)

The only point I wanted to make was that there is no argument that "Windows is easier to use for basic computing". That is not true. Just because everyone learned windows first, doesn't mean it was easier to use.   If you took someone who had never used either, and taught them from scratch, I believe they could use Linux or Windows, with the SAME learning curve.   Just because you were taught on a windows system doesn't make it *easier*. That makes it more *comfortable*

Well, in my opinion, and my opinion alone, Gaming falls under basic computing. Now any person who wants to play a game, will have alot easier time doing so, under Windows.

Also, people who want to have the latest drivers, will have alot easier time. If you screw up, boot into Safe Mode and fix it.

Windows is alot easier, in that there are alot of ways, to correcting your mistakes. Sure, there maybe this in Linux, but its not as simple, and i dont know howto use it.

And i guarantee if i where starting of on both OS's right now, WIndows would have it in the bag, for its ease of setting up games and playing them. FOr the fact that i like the latest drivers, and i always use them, unless they seem buggy, i will just rollback.

morglum  however, was calling us retards for finding WIndows easier. Now sure, we may have been around windows for along time, but i do recall him saying he had been on Linux for 6years. Thats the exact same position as we are in. ANd no matter what way you look at it, the average simple installation of games that people want to play, is much simpler on Windows. Unless one of the later versions of Wine, has integrated into the OS, and made it so theres no need to run the program with Wine infront (last version i used was 2.?)

Now with noob people, they would like, put in game, auto start. Click install, then click icon once finished. And same for programs, theres nothing really that hard for windows users to figure out. (atleast not that any noob would worry about, i still got a friend who has trouble with MSN Messenger FFS, he dont know how to change his name etc. And he takes 2mins for a reply, because he cant find the keys on the keyboard )

[mxlegend99]

QUOTE (feflicker @ Jun 20 2003, 11:18 PM)

The only point I wanted to make was that there is no argument that "Windows is easier to use for basic computing". That is not true. Just because everyone learned windows first, doesn't mean it was easier to use.   If you took someone who had never used either, and taught them from scratch, I believe they could use Linux or Windows, with the SAME learning curve.   Just because you were taught on a windows system doesn't make it *easier*. That makes it more *comfortable*

one more thing. I wasnt taught on windows. I grew up on DOS. BOth Linux and Windows are much simpler than dos. My first PC didnt even have DOS on it. It was a Tandy PC of somesort. All i can remember is the BIOS i think, had instructions to boot of a floppy, and it had no hard drive. The PC was capable of almost nothing, besides whatever the floppy had.... then our 286 came, and we had 40megs.... goddamn i thought i owned the world

WE had an OS before Windows 3.1, im not sure if it was an earlier Windows, or what (i was kinda young). But it wasnt nearly as good as when we first scored WIn3.1, that kicked ass. Then when 95 first came out we got it. I hated it for months. It was so different to what i had. Then i found out it had the program manager, and ran that..... i immediately saw how Windows 95 had improved on it, the ease of Start Menu, clicking of icons on hte desktop.

Sure, you always got a soft spot for what you learn on, i still love DOS.... But im also looking at this from 3rd Person perspective..... If i where fully noob to both, never touched a mouse/keyboard etc. Windows would appeal to me, as would it *most* people.

[feflicker]

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Sure, you always got a soft spot for what you learn on, i still love DOS.... But im also looking at this from 3rd Person perspective..... If i where fully noob to both, never touched a mouse/keyboard etc. Windows would appeal to me, as would it *most* people.

Since you said so much, I am just gonna comment on the last paragraph, that pretty much summed up what you said...

I guess we can agree to disagree. I don't see how someone who has never seen Windows or KDE could tell the difference if it was the first time they were using a computer... It would look the same, and be the same to learn/use.

In fact, you can set 2000/XP to have a *theme* that looks just like KDE, or setup KDE to look EXACTLY like 2000/XP. <straight out of the box>  

And "Basic Computing Needs" does not entail gaming. (That is your need, not a need required by most personal computer users) How many computers in the world have games loaded on them? Not many.... Most "personal" computers are used for document editing, email, web browsing, etc. Hell, most PC's in the US are just AOL terminals  

[HumanClay]

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i destoryed my redhat 7.0 install so many times i lost count lol.

EXACTLY, you got Linux , didn't know it and destroyed it. People don't like nuking their PC...

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1) how do you get refunded from something that you download for FREE?

Hello?! They sell Mandrake and Redhat in stores. Comes with extra software packages....