Topic: Windows 98 (Read 154 times)

thr3311jd · « **on:** June 19, 2003, 07:42:00 PM »

I want some input on this. Do you think it will take off? Do you think anyone will make an easier way to install it?

Skipper · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2003, 07:44:00 PM »

Doubt it, Windows 98 was shitty on a regular PC let alone run it on an Xbox

Morglum · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2003, 07:46:00 PM »

Why would it take off? Theres linux for xbox, theres no need for windows.

Morglum · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2003, 08:37:00 PM »

QUOTE (Takenover83 @ Jun 20 2003, 05:22 AM)

You guys have to think a little more about this. Most people run windows. Most dont want Linux. So dont force it on them. Let people have there options.

Windows is easy to learn (no commands etc..) most people dont have to read up to learn windows.

Linux (very high learning curve) have to read tuturial after tuturual just to get a very basic understanding.

This is why alot of people want windows. No hiding it.

Thats not true at all. You dont need to read nothing to get basic day to day use. And you only have commands to type in linux if you use the shell, not unlike command prompt in windows (except shell works), but most newbies use a GUI, either KDE or GNOME, which are pretty much like the windows desktop anyway. The only time it gets hard is when you try to do high end configurations, which dont really need to be messed with as its rare the system fails to set itself up properly from the install.

EDIT: And remember we're talking about linux on XBOX, there is nothing you will need to configure, its not like you can add new hardware to the machine is it

neomaytricks · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2003, 08:38:00 PM »

I agree, Winblows 95, 98 its a nice work that shallax is doing but I am happy with Linux on my xbox.

Morglum · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2003, 08:49:00 PM »

QUOTE (Takenover83 @ Jun 20 2003, 05:44 AM)

One wrong move and your OS is at risk. I like linux but it sure isnt for non experienced users.

Only if you're using root, which a retard would be doing unless it was something critical that needed setting. Anyone can kill a windows system, only root or root privelidged users can kill linux, normal users can do no damage at all. And ive been using Linux and Solaris for around 6 years or more, you trust me, it is straight forward and simple for the normal user. As ive said in another post, even my computer illiteral fiancee can use linux and finds it easy. Also adding drivers isnt hard at all, copy and paste a few files to a directory, wow, rocket science

hell you dont even need to add drivers for most things, the kernel supports the marjority of popular hardware, and if it dont then sure add a new drive, or just download the newest kernel update, Or better still if you have the knowledge update the kernel yourself.

Morglum · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2003, 08:57:00 PM »

You obviously never seen the new mandrake installer then, thats even nicer than anything ive ever seen in a windows system. And did you miss the part about my computer illiterate fiancee using linux and finding it easy, hell calling her computer illiterate is being kind aswell, shes down right retarded when it comes to computers

And theres nothing to configure with Linux, WTF release you using, Red Hat 2.0 or something? Almost everything is configured right from the install automatically. And like i said earlier, we're talking about XBOX not PC.

Heh and if a newbie uses root then they deserve to kill their system. KDE and GNOME both spit up a huge warning screen when you first log in as root saying you can kill your system from using root and they advise you to log in as a standard user.

thr3311jd · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:09:00 PM »

but what about the software and game choices for windows, wouldn't that attract many people to put that on their x-box instead of linux?

Morglum · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:14:00 PM »

I asked if you're using redhat 2.0 because all you talk about is configuring shit, when its not really needed anymore as its mosty automatic. And as for my fiancee, the only time she's asked for help was when she forgot her password, and when she couldnt find the MP3 player, oh and how to get out of shell because she maximised the terminal and didnt know how to get out without turning the computer off, other than that she dont ask me for help, she finds it quite easy and straight forward to use. Though right now she seems to like XP Pro because she can just click a little icon and dont have to keep typing a user name and password in

feflicker · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:18:00 PM »

QUOTE

You guys have to think a little more about this. Most people run windows. Most dont want Linux. So dont force it on them. Let people have there options.

Windows is easy to learn (no commands etc..) most people dont have to read up to learn windows.

Linux (very high learning curve) have to read tuturial after tuturual just to get a very basic understanding.

This is why alot of people want windows. No hiding it.

My question is: When was the last time you sampled a linux distro? Installing and using most linux flavors is WAY EASIER than installing and configuring Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

My Point: I reloaded my laptop last weekend. It took 4 hours to fully install XP, download Service Packs, install software, etc... It took 1.5 hours to load Sco Linux Server 3.1 (formerly Caldera), and it came with several packages, including gnome and kde ready to roll. I was online in a matter of minues, connected to my PC, sharing files, etc.

For the xbox, all most want to do is surf the internet, use ftp and irc. Linux does that easily, and all through a GUI just like windows.

Who would rather *emulate* windows through Linux, and suffer extreme performance implications, than just take the opportunity to learn a little bit about the Corporate OS of the future, Linux?

I still use Windows as my primary OS, just due to the wide range of software available on the PC platform, like most people. I am not a "fanboy", but I think it is ridiculous when people recite nonsense about Linux from "Computer World" articles from 3-4 years ago~!

Morglum · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:20:00 PM »

QUOTE (thr3311jd @ Jun 20 2003, 06:09 AM)

but what about the software and game choices for windows, wouldn't that attract many people to put that on their x-box instead of linux?

Why run windows games on your xbox when you got a pc to do it, or even better still, and xbox to play games on

But once again whats with everyone thinking there are no games for unix based and clone systems? Theres a whole heap of games out there.

I spend many a day at work on my Solaris system playing Quake 3 Arena over the internal LAN and online, the same with Unreal Tournament 2003 to name another. Now i will admit its hard to find games that are for SPARCs but for standard x86 Linux machines there is hundreds if not thousands of top games released.

Morglum · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:23:00 PM »

QUOTE (feflicker @ Jun 20 2003, 06:18 AM)

I think it is ridiculous when people recite nonsense about Linux from "Computer World" articles from 3-4 years ago~!

I couldnt agree more with you on that comment and the rest of your post. Most people are getting scared off by hearsay, sure in the past linux was a pain to setup if you didnt know what you were doing, but now ANYONE can set it up, it takes no more skill than popping in a cd and clicking a few buttons.

Morglum · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:29:00 PM »

QUOTE (Takenover83 @ Jun 20 2003, 06:21 AM)

I dont blame her much. Linux is great, But I use windows most of the time. For the simple fact that it is point and click.

And I dont care how automatic Linux is when you 1st install it. Everyone has to install stuff to suit there needs. And once the main stream user see's that its no walk in the ball park, they will ask for a refund.

Things Windows users dont want to do.

Type commands
Install from a shell
Configure permissions
spend hours compiling software etc...
Figure out how to run all those windows games and apps on linux

The list goes on and on. Linux is not SIMPLE for most people.

1) how do you get refunded from something that you download for FREE?
2) linux GUIs are point and click.
3) you dont need to type commands in linux, it has MANY GUIs to pick from, shell is optional.
4) you have configure permissions now with windows, look at all releases 2000 and up.
5) you dont need to compile, 99% of all software is distributed as binary along with source.
6) you dont need windows games for linux, it has its own, read my previous post.
7) there are more apps for linux that there is windows, and 95% of them are FREE.

And as for your list going on and on, lets hear some more, ive not heard anything solid enough to stick.

Oh and as for you saying you dont blame her, you can change linux to log users in just by clicking an icon how XP is. I wont have it setup that way, i hate seeing the stupid little icons, i like a real login screen.

Morglum · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2003, 09:57:00 PM »

LOL, so now you're talking about it emulating windows, emulation is a whole differant topic, you're getting stupid now, you clearly dont know what you're talking about. If you want something that will not only "emulate" but RUN windows flawlessly on a linux system then get VMware. You cant keep changing direction of topic once you realise you're losing, and there are thousands MORE apps for linux than there is for windows, read over what ive said again properly.

And talking about wine, take a look at this link, it CLEARLY states wine isnt suitable for general use.

http://www.winehq.com/?page=about

Takenover83 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2003, 10:02:00 PM »

Losing?

I didnt know this was a competition.

I thought it was a debate. Actually this started off by saying would win98 take off. But I guess you want to turn it into a competition. If so im outa here. Go find someone else to compete with.

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