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[luther349]

wtf is your problem man. you canot use live on any modded system  if the chip or expolite is on. with the old font expolites you could put a game in befor the dash loaded and use live. uxe ude2 whatever you wanna call it modfyes the xboxdash in a maner the old fonts didnt. the problem is m$ now checks for a legit xboxdash.xbe couse of some people lerning a trick to get on live with backups. and being uxe has modfyed the dash not just the fonts you will be banned from live even if you boot a game befor hand couse you do not have a legit xboxdash.xbe anymore.

you are correct abought people uninstalling it befor they even try to go on live couse thats the safest way to do it. and the uxe installer makes that very easy to do couse you aruldy have a backup of your orignal setup ready to reinstall.

and to say you dont have eyther of the 3 games is just friggen dumb you can find the first mech assult in the 9.99 pile at any gameshop. and the other 2 games are pretty dam cheap to.

if i rember my expolites uxe doesent even use a xboxdash it uses a update.xbe renamed to the xboxdash and expolites that.  this is why thers no clock loop isues and other font isues. thats why you no longer have a legit dash to get passed the check with. and no m$ does not check the fonts just the xbe.

[cmiz]

exactly....i'm sorry if i sounded like an asshole before, but this questions comes up almost everyday and i literally can't give anymore information on the topic. there is a possibility that coldbooting won't get you banned...but i would NOT recomend it, and neither would almost anyone else that knows a decent amount about the issue.

[krayzie]

the xboxdash.xbe scans are not proven. Some people still play live by coldbooting a game. Fact is that M$ is checking some stuff and nobody knows exactly what it is. Therefore there are no concrete answers and going live is at your OWN RISK.

[Keo-Keo]

WHY A SOFTMOD WILL NOT WORK ON XBL
Softmod's need somthing called a bios which loads the hacked files. These bios' loaders are stored in the memory. When you sign on to XBL they scan your memory as well as check the xboxdash.xbe file. If the xboxdash.xbe isn't signed it creates a flag. If a bios loader is present it creates a flag. Even if you have virtual C running and XBL check the xboxdash.xbe file you'll still  get a flag because the bios loader in is memory.

Some say you can cold boot with a game and play live games.. Since the bios loader isn't in memory. But if your xboxdash.xbe is diffrent you will get flaged. I belive it also checks the default fonts too..

If you want to play xbox live.. Stop bitching do somthing about it.. Create somthing that will allow you to play xbox live.. You except us to do all this for you? Do you pay us? Thank us? No you bitch and cry.. Buy a bigger hard drive. Retore you orgial drive and swap hdd's to play on live.

(That explination is how i understand XBL and what i've read on the forums please correct me if i happen to be wrong.)

[cmiz]

well keo-keo...i'm pretty sure that none of what you've said is PROVEN but it's exactly why you SHOULDN'T go on live with a softmod. nobody actually knows for sure (unless anyone that works for ms feels like signing up and posting on the forum). all we know is that these are possibilities that may or may not account for the huge number of recent bannings. if you want to try the cold boot method, be my guest. if it works...great for you! if not, don't come bitching here that you got banned, because there's a good possibility that it will happen

[Keo-Keo]

QUOTE(cmiz @ Jan 23 2005, 11:43 AM)

well keo-keo...i'm pretty sure that none of what you've said is PROVEN but it's exactly why you SHOULDN'T go on live with a softmod. nobody actually knows for sure (unless anyone that works for ms feels like signing up and posting on the forum). all we know is that these are possibilities that may or may not account for the huge number of recent bannings. if you want to try the cold boot method, be my guest. if it works...great for you! if not, don't come bitching here that you got banned, because there's a good possibility that it will happen

[LafferUSA]

Just buy a second Xbox and leave it Stock.

[krayzie]

QUOTE(Keo-Keo @ Jan 23 2005, 12:13 PM)

Well we do know XBL does scan for whats in the local memory.. Otherwise Virtual C would work just fine.. As for the Xboxdash just a thought.. What we need is some brave soles to run up the ole API logger to see what they are checking for.. That and good donations..

[Keo-Keo]

Just a question doesn't Api logger record calls to specific kernel functions? Doesn't live request functions from the kernal? Or does it only record things excuted by the kernal or live?

[eh.]

QUOTE(Keo-Keo @ Jan 23 2005, 03:36 AM)

Some say you can cold boot with a game and play live games.. Since the bios loader isn't in memory. But if your xboxdash.xbe is diffrent you will get flaged. I belive it also checks the default fonts too..

File level scanning has never been confirmed; FWIW(==nothing) I don't believe M$ does it for every connection (possible any) and personally I don't think they have in the past nor will in the future eh!  Here's why...

[luther349]

they are checking the xboxdash.xbe couse there was a way of geting on live with backups by mesing with it. i whont go into detail on it couse you will now banned doing it. the xboxdash.xbe scan was officaly told to us by m$. they dont check the fonts or anything like that thats why older expolites dont have issues. in the case with uxe the dash isnt real so it would lead to a ban. i mean if you wanna still try thats your choice but the chances of getting baned with a uxe modded system even cold booted are pretty good. like i said uxe is easy to uninstall and reinstall with the installer package so its better to be safe then sorry.

[total_ass]

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the xboxdash.xbe scan was officaly told to us by m$

link please.

[eh.]

QUOTE(luther349 @ Jan 23 2005, 01:05 PM)

they are checking the xboxdash.xbe couse there was a way of geting on live with backups by mesing with it. i whont go into detail on it couse you will now banned doing it.

That was covered by this part eh:

[eh.]

QUOTE(eh. @ Jan 23 2005, 11:48 AM - Edit1: typos))

File level scanning has never been confirmed; FWIW(==nothing?) I don't believe M$ does it for every connection (possibly any) and personally I don't think they have in the past nor will in the future eh!  Here's why...

In October some folks had their accounts terminated (not just a ban!) re. their xboxdash.xbe being a default.xbe they'd cold booted via.  New memory checks could have easily identified this method; checksumming wouldn't have been necessary.  (I'm sure a lot of "wtf I'm banned" posts would have appeared on this board if xboxdash.xbe was being validated; hardly any did.)

Also in October, boxes being used by previously "flagged" GT's were potentially scrutinized, resulting in the majority of bans at that time.  There's no real evidence of this though, but still to this day there's occasionally a report of it apparently happening.  (Lots of posts appeared in the Live and chip forums about this at the time, some of them confirmed that replacing their eeprom like they had before didn't work now...)

Since November, previously non-banned boxes have apparently been banned due to a HD change having been tracked since Live 3.0's release, or thereabouts (which has become known as the "Marriage theory").  This has been the only proven ban cause, other than going on live in a modded state (which now includes a modded xboxdash.xbe being in memory during the connection/validation).

The biggest risk to XBL'rs with modded components on their disks is that M$ may be doing random checks too, potentially including checksums of critical files.  No one knows, so it will always be a gamble (and the stakes are higher with UDE2 I suspect) eh...

Edit2: I forgot to mention that I think human error or potentially package glitches are more likely causes of a ban than almost all exploit methods are eh! (The following linked thread reminded me eh: _ _)