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[dootdoo]

QUOTE (JimmyGoon @ Sep 25 2004, 09:23 PM)

what? umm....... sorry but you are wrong.

I'm not really sure where you are coming from, but with the hulk, when the first default.xbe is ran, it mounts a symbolic link between the cdrom, and the letter 'a'.. in addition to the symbolic link between the cdrom and 'd'..

This is the behavior I have observed..

[JimmyGoon]

QUOTE (dootdoo @ Sep 26 2004, 02:32 AM)

I'm not really sure where you are coming from, but with the hulk, when the first default.xbe is ran, it mounts a symbolic link between the cdrom, and the letter 'a'.. in addition to the symbolic link between the cdrom and 'd'.. This is the behavior I have observed..

......... hmm I'm still not understanding... a --- how do you know this? b --- what diff.  c---- confused = me.

[Chicken Scratch Boy]

how was said behaivor observed?

[JimmyGoon]

QUOTE (dootdoo @ Sep 26 2004, 02:45 AM)

I don't want this to break down into an argument about something thats likely not important at all.  But I will address your points anyways.. a) its what I observed while messing with it 'what diff' - I assume this means whats the difference, as far as I can tell I can't say it is different from anything, I'm just saying it happens, the same thing happens when you insert a dvd while running the xdk launcher also, so its significance could be moot, its very possible that most things ran from dvd do this, but I was never motivated enough to trace its happening.. c) If you are confused, then you shouldn't tell other people that aren't that they are wrong.   And at the end of the day, it probably doesn't matter.. So just smile and nod and hold off on your disputing of things posted unless you have directly found the opposite to be true.. Which is possible, I do make mistakes while tracing through programs, and while debugging them.. As for font loading, I havn't investigated that, I figured that angerwound was working on that *cheers*

your right. I was confused. I thought you were talking about something else. you're right.    I should have jsut "STFU"!

[triggernum5]

Hopefully the fonts will be read off the dvd like the xboxdash.xbe was.  (Hoping its font exploitable)  Although the problem would still exist that valid fonts would be found on an unmodded drive..  The 5680 dash is only loaded if c:\xboxdash.xbe doesn't exist, or did I misread?  I don't understand why MS would bother putting that kind of check/fix into the dvd.  I mean only modded boxes would be missing a valid c:\xboxdash.xbe, so why bother putting the means to allow them to play the dvd on the disk?

[JimmyGoon]

sorry for the n00b question but how can it not be font exploitable....

it is the same basic xbox OS same parameters same limits or lack-there-of...

maybe...?

[Kthulu]

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The 5680 dash is only loaded if c:\xboxdash.xbe doesn't exist, or did I misread?

well, i have no way of knowing for sure, but i don't think that is true.  why would they assume there would be no xboxdash.xbe on C and put one on the dvd just in case?  i think the purpose of the xboxdash.xbe on the dvd (hulkdash) is that when the Hulk dvd was made, the current MS dash wasn't designed to skip d:/default.xbe and just play the dvd/movie content.  i think the current dashes are able to do this if they are called with a paramenter...i think SW is doing this because there is no xboxdash.xbe on the SW bonus disc.  short answer: i think the hulkdash is called everytime you boot the game demo and select Watch DVD.

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I don't understand why MS would bother putting that kind of check/fix into the dvd. I mean only modded boxes would be missing a valid c:\xboxdash.xbe, so why bother putting the means to allow them to play the dvd on the disk?

exactly

[triggernum5]

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i think the purpose of the xboxdash.xbe on the dvd (hulkdash) is that when the Hulk dvd was made, the current MS dash wasn't designed to skip d:/default.xbe and just play the dvd/movie content. i think the current dashes are able to do this if they are called with a paramenter

Pure speculation, but I'll jump on that wagon..  Seems to make sense atleast..

[eh.]

QUOTE (Angerwound @ Sep 25 2004, 05:07 PM)

Yep, i've got her crashing with fonts.

I've changed my HDD test setup and that's happening for mine too now, however, it continues to do so even when I put the real fonts back into the test directory eh!

(Maybe there's something cached and/or my setup's unsuitable now ... I'll try some more things eh.)

[Kthulu]

QUOTE (triggernum5 @ Sep 25 2004, 09:33 PM)

Pure speculation, but I'll jump on that wagon..  Seems to make sense atleast..

here's another thing that makes me say that, but is also speculation...

when i use a filemanager to directly launch hulkdash (d:/xboxdash/xboxdash.xbe), my box simply reboots.  but i'm 100% sure that the hulk demo is calling hulkdash to play the dvd content because i've deleted C:\xboxdash.xbe and it plays when launched from the demo.  so, the hulk demo must be passing some argument to hulkdash in my mind.  if you can pass arguments to hulkdash (which is old) i'm sure there are arguments that can be passed to newer MS dashes.

[eh.]

QUOTE (Chicken Scratch Boy @ Sep 25 2004, 06:27 PM - nag)

oh yeah can we get the dash to load the fonts of the disk?

One step at a time eh.

[Kthulu]

QUOTE (dootdoo @ Sep 25 2004, 09:59 PM)

what happens to me is if I try to run the hulk dash from the dvd, it loads the content extracted on first insert thats on the utility drive (the menu selector).. I'm trying to rebuild the large demo installer so I can see exactly what its doing, but it will take me some time.

you're right.  my bad.  i forgot that when the reboot thing happened to me, it was because i had my bios flashed to ignore d:/default.xbe and look for d:/boot.xbe

noobs:  DO NOT START ASKING HOW TO EDIT YOUR DAMN BIOS HERE.  SEARCH.

sorry, i just don't want the thread getting cluttered

[eh.]

QUOTE (eh. @ Sep 25 2004, 07:47 PM)

or my setup's unsuitable now ...

Yep, it was (I'd put the wrong mainmenu5.xip in the new setup's test directory) eh! Moving on, here are my test results...

The HDD version of the '5680' dash...
(i) displays normally with both retail font files in the fonts directory;
(ii) displays only a feint webbing background if they're not (including when only one of the retail font files is in the fonts directory) and then hangs;
(iii) displays normally with no font files in the fonts directory but with both retail font files in the root directory;
(iv) displays only the feint webbing background if they're not (including when only one of the retail font files is in the root directory) and then hangs.

This suggests to me that it's not font exploitable, as it seems to require both retail font files (but I realize that it doesn't prove that) eh.

[Chicken Scratch Boy]

what are you talking about?

[eh.]

QUOTE (Chicken Scratch Boy @ Sep 24 2004, 12:44 AM)

i'll see if i can snag a copy of the hulk on my way home from school

Did you bother; are you testing and/or do you have any potentially helpful feedback eh?