Topic: Question Regarding Live (Read 362 times)

b01 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 31, 2004, 04:50:00 AM »

Ever since I used XB Connect, then later Xlink, I have always wondered y they did not make it so you could play game that are Live only. I felt like it was only some swicth they had to activate, and BAM! Instant live action.

and you can't tell me with the ability to link XBOX, GC, and PS2 that some1 on the Kai team doesn't know something about how to implement a bootleg Live server.

Enough of my ranting: all I'm saying is despite the complications it is very likely to implement this bootleg Live service. In fact I say we brainstorm on a name for remedee service. I'll go first!

I choose the name: BootLeg LIVE or RB Live (remedee's Bootleg Live service)

I just luv da word bootleg, it the greetest thing since boxer briefs (no more chafing briefs for me).

SargeZT · « **Reply #61 on:** August 31, 2004, 01:57:00 PM »

Ok. Time to clarify some shit. First, XBConnect and Kai are tunneling applications. However, live is an actual server which handles the data between the two, not just tunnels. Secondly, not everything is encrypted. Simply encrypting data is a bad idea. At this point, I think the encrypted data is simply a checksum of the data up to that point.

So, where am I? Until I can figure what the fuck is up with the encrypted data, I'm lost.

mezzo · « **Reply #62 on:** August 31, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »

Hey folks,

I do not know much about live etc. actually never played online, but...

I think it is a good start to capture the traffic, and using dns is a great idea (actually it might be enough to connect via a pc with ICS and an adjusted lmhosts file, no xbox modifications necessary)

to get to the point:
first we have to find out, what data is modified by the live servers. So it would be nice, if somebody could do the following:
1. Have two xboxes play a game against each othe via xbox live (important: just the two, no one else, hope its possible)
2. Capture all the traffic between these two (simultaneously on both connections of course, don't bother about authentication)
3. Have a look how much of this traffic is just passed through, and how much is modified
4. We do not need to understand the data, its just to know, if live is just distributing the information or doing more.

In the case that live is doing some game specific processing, i think we can forget about the whole thing, but else a slight chance might exist to get things going

so maybe find these things out first

neimod · « **Reply #63 on:** September 01, 2004, 06:09:00 AM »

neimod · « **Reply #64 on:** September 01, 2004, 06:15:00 AM »

neimod · « **Reply #65 on:** September 01, 2004, 06:21:00 AM »

Flame2k · « **Reply #66 on:** September 01, 2004, 07:02:00 AM »

hm xbox.com do u think that could be ms spying?

fghjj · « **Reply #67 on:** September 01, 2004, 08:36:00 AM »

remedee · « **Reply #68 on:** September 10, 2004, 05:21:00 AM »

upup · « **Reply #69 on:** September 11, 2004, 10:02:00 PM »

just wondering how things were coming along.

ch0p5 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:44:00 PM »

laugh if u must cos im a total noob to all this and iwas just taking interest
in what the xbox sends out
00a0 41 64 64 50 6f 72 74 4d 61 70 70 69 6e 67 52 65 AddPortMappingRe
00b0 73 70 6f 6e 73 65 20 78 6d 6c 6e 73 3a 6d 3d 22 sponse xmlns:m="
00c0 75 72 6e 3a 73 63 68 65 6d 61 73 2d 75 70 6e 70 urn:schemas-upnp
00d0 2d 6f 72 67 3a 73 65 72 76 69 63 65 3a 57 41 4e -org:service:WAN
and it refers to correct me if im wrong upnp.org check it out and its some sort of communications company and i think it somthing to do with MS i just thought id put that in in case it was any use o and u can ftp into the site but need user name and pass

Chicken Scratch Boy · « **Reply #71 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:51:00 PM »

looks like some network setup info

upnp = universal plug and play....

Trisman · « **Reply #72 on:** September 15, 2004, 02:02:00 AM »

neimod's first two posts are just his router setting up the private network with his xbox.

But when does the third post occur, directly after the second post? Or does it occur later? neimod?

And on another note, lets not let ths thread get on the tenth page again, ok.

John Hoek · « **Reply #73 on:** September 15, 2004, 03:40:00 PM »

I've found out that programs just use standaard call_procedures, for init XboxLive.

All data is encrypted with a unique hash, each session different.

one of the first cals; is checking hardware & routing
then the next is xbox_live_autorise; MS respons with a unique session Hash .

This hash is used by a game to encrypt all data.

But we don't know the hash, aren't we?

No. it's changed everytime.

-> But when we make several logs on the input and output of the datapackets; one of the first returned of MS should be having the key.
If we then just try to get the REAL key by pusching this data inside the encryption algoritm; then it must be possible to get the exact starting location of the MS supplied hash.

If we can extract the hash from the first 1 - 3 packets maximum i'll think; then Xboxlive is broken.
MS can't change the protocol of Xboxlive; otherwise old programs don'ty work anymore. the hash must be always at the same packet & startinglocation.

Makhno · « **Reply #74 on:** September 16, 2004, 08:04:00 PM »

why not attempt to write an xbox program that would send the official BIOS when queried by AS.XBOXLIVE.COM instead of the modded one?

Also, if we're sure the the way the XBL detects our users through BIOS versions, why are softmodders still banned? There must be some other things that need ot be faked that we are unaware of

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