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devz3ro

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« on: July 29, 2004, 06:38:00 PM »

QUOTE (wrayal @ Jul 30 2004, 02:26 AM)
The xbox linux project is devoted to legally allowing you to run linux on your xbox, hence cromwell. However, their softmodding is still limited to that annoying MA package, clockloop, no live and all, and hence I was planning to create a legal version of the UDE in order to allow Linux without these problems. However, while I understand these hacks, this is my first attempt at making a package! Hence, can I ask a couple of questions?

Firstly, ldots, your UDE package - the update.xbe, I take it it uses the one off the MA disc? Because the package of urs I use did not have teh xbe in it, and I have never connected to live etc, so I assume it must use one off the disc. If so, I have been told that linux does not have dvdxfs drivers, but do you have them? Because if the update.xbe could be taken from the MA disc automatically, that would be cool.

Also, in terms of game playing and live compatability. I was planning that if you boot with tray open, it would boot automatically-hexed dash such that it would allow booting of retail games, but also that it would contain the EEE for converting to xbox live compatible (albeit, I know this would need an MA signed xbe that would convert to live compatible), and a separate gamesave that would convert back, or maybe a different xbe which could be EEE'd. (and of course, tray closed = linux when exploited). I was planning that in order to be live compatible, all the files would be stored on E:/F: if appropriate. Does this all sound sensible?

Sorry, its late and Im tired, so there are probably a bunch of mistakes, but you get the idea. Does anybody think this is relatively possible/worthwhile?

Also, pedros/rmenhal/ldots, could I PM you occasionally if I have the odd specific question?

Thanks for reading wink.gif

Wrayal

I guess the only *legal* way to make something of that nature work on all xbox's would be to use an *.xbe like the one used in UDE2, but can be executed on all regions. Unfortunately such an xbe has not been found yet (doesn't mean it doesn't exist). Since we don't have a xbe that works on all kernels and regions more patches would have to be made to cover what isn't. This would bump your code bytes, and isn't a problem unless you wanted to make it real simple and basic. The only xboxs left out presently are K:5713 & 5838 w/regions JAP / ELSEWHERE. Something like I did for UDE2 would make it legal, atleast somewhat legal. The method I used was: take the original update.xbe off the xbox patch it then place the patched *.xbe to the C:\ as xboxdash.xbe. It should be possible (I don't see why not) to make a *installer* or a *.xbe that does all of this on the xbox (ldots comes to mind smile.gif). The fonts are legal to distribute, so is the nkpatcher. For just linux, I guess you could just include something along the lines of pblmetoo + a linux bios, such as cromwell but the keys get in the way here.

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Chicken Scratch Boy

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2004, 06:43:00 PM »

happy.gif

never assume.

UDE is legal.
<this completly makes your entire post poinless but for the purposes of education, i'll correct the rest. FOR FREE!>

Since MA's update.xbe is nt exploitable, hell, it wont run off the hdd, ldot's package  (i'm assuming here) converts annother file to the 4920 xbe.

You cant boot to a hexed dash unless you run an exploit. If you run an exploit, it patches the public key, so when you go on live, you get spanked by the live servers. Goodbye live key, it's invalid now!




Oh, yeah I'm still here.

Here's your new idea:

Use UDE to boot a linux distro.

It's legal, and you want *think* you can go on live and end up getting banned.

CONGRADULATIONS!
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devz3ro

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2004, 06:51:00 PM »

QUOTE (Chicken Scratch Boy @ Jul 30 2004, 02:46 AM)
Well worded ignorance, I love this happy.gif

never assume.

UDE is legal.
<this completly makes your entire post poinless but for the purposes of education, i'll correct the rest. FOR FREE!>

Since MA's update.xbe is nt exploitable, hell, it wont run off the hdd, ldot's package  (i'm assuming here) converts annother file to the 4920 xbe.

You cant boot to a hexed dash unless you run an exploit. If you run an exploit, it patches the public key, so when you go on live, you get spanked by the live servers. Goodbye live key, it's invalid now!




Oh, yeah I'm still here.

Here's your new idea:

Use UDE to boot a linux distro.

It's legal, and you want *think* you can go on live and end up getting banned.

CONGRADULATIONS!

That is incorrect.

UDE Can be legal

UDE Can be illegal

when distrobuting it

In a whole you are correct, it is legal if you have the required tools.

QUOTE (wrayal)

The xbox linux project is devoted to legally allowing you to run linux on your xbox, hence cromwell. However, their softmodding is still limited to that annoying MA package, clockloop, no live and all, and hence I was planning to create a legal version of the UDE in order to allow Linux without these problems. However, while I understand these hacks, this is my first attempt at making a package! Hence, can I ask a couple of questions?


I assume he wasn't making a package for himself, but to distrobute. If the update.xbe is included in such a package it is most certainly illegal. I'm not sure of what ldot's package consists of, I haven't used / tested any of his work, so I cannot comment on that issue.

-devz3ro
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Chicken Scratch Boy

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2004, 06:57:00 PM »

ANYTHING XDK compiled is illegal.

Same with .xips and that stuff from the MS dash. because it's copyright MS stuff.

I think the whole idea is foobar.

You aren't going to go onlive with UDE installed.
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devz3ro

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2004, 07:04:00 PM »

QUOTE (Chicken Scratch Boy @ Jul 30 2004, 03:00 AM)
ANYTHING XDK compiled is illegal.

Same with .xips and that stuff from the MS dash. because it's copyright MS stuff.

I think the whole idea is foobar.

You aren't going to go onlive with UDE installed.

smile.gif

I have UDE2 installed and go on live (with no switches etc.) The dashboard - xboxdash.xbe - (which is replaced by our update.xbe) is called upon after the D:\default.xbe is checked for the proper signature. If the signature is found, xboxdash.xbe isn't touched what-so-ever (neither are the fonts) and the game loads. As long as you upgrade your dash to the latest version and all your games with the latest updates, it is possible to go on xbox live without being banned (with an original of course). I guess for a solution to when a new dashboard is released, create a gamesave exploit that reverts the dashboard back to its original state. Then after the updates are installed, re-install UDE1 / UDE2.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2004, 07:43:00 PM »

actually UDE is legal

well the way i was referring to it (as a the font.)

you can call UDE what ever you want. but i was right say it was legal at least the part i was reffering to it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2004, 08:24:00 PM »

QUOTE (wrayal @ Jul 30 2004, 03:22 AM)
And what exactly is going to be XDK compiled? The fonts are not, linux boots (i remember now) from a program called xbeboot.xbe, and the dash can be auto-hexed legally to look in f0nts

Like I said, I dont know where the update.xbe comes from. All I know is, I apparantly had one already, and the only game I had was MA, and I had never connected to Live. And like devz3ro says, the reversion technique can be simply used to upgrade dash, other than that, tray open=MS dash, tray closed=linux, boot with live disc=retail games with Live. Just gota be careful of banning.

I can see most people would find it useless. Just for those of us who hate illegality but love linux wink.gif

Im just hoping someone is gona help me out on the whole update.xbe thing...

Wrayal

We are in the same boat. MA is also my only game, just to exploit and load linux, never play it.

For the update.xbe, you may get it from upgrading the dashboard from MS, I have read everywhere that they are eager to update it, even you are not live user. Once get the latest, you patch that into the one exploitable.

BTW, I would use the term copyright clean rather than legal.

The font is clean, nkpatcher is clean, program to patch MS dash is clean. The only thing I want is someone to teach me how to turn MS dash into tHc so I can add one more menu items to it which can be used to launch stored xbe on the HD.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2004, 10:54:00 PM »

First of all, scrupul0us, your an idiot if I just read what you said correctly...

Ude is legal because the code was made by hand.
EvoX is not.

So stop bitching for fuck sakes. And by the way, XBox-Scene isn't a warez site, meaning it's not here to fuckin' nerd it up to make fun of Bill Gates, who created the fucking thing...


Secondly, stop fighting. Distributing the update.xbe might be illegal but anything else is perfectly fine, as long as its the Linux bootloader.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2004, 11:02:00 PM »

Uh, your an idiot...

If its legal or not, its a modification meaning no live...

But the goal is to make a legal Linux box simple like with MechInstaller. This guys just looking for something to do maybe?
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