damn, you guys at guex are awesome, maybe we can get a little cross forum communication going (babel fish sucks at dynamic adresses, so...) perhaps a ppf patch (applyable via ppf-xbox) might work for this type of patch, btw, arnt eeproms legal to move freely, i mean people sell them on the BST forum, so if they were illegal, i'm sure HSD woul dhave put a stop to it a LOOOONG time ago... maybe if you take a eeprom with zeroed keys, you can patch it up withthe correct per xbox data via live info, i'm just thinking, if your newb enough not to check the mfg date when you buy an xbox, you might not be too good at hexing...