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[inneedofhelp]

If any of the developers working on ways to exploit the XBOX are on this board, as i assume they are, here is an idea I had:

I am under the impression that XBOX Live enabled games have the option to update the dashboard via your broadband connection.
Well, if this is true (and if it's not, please spare me the ridicule) could someone:
1) Use a crossover cable to their PC
2) Change their PC's IP to match the one the XBOX is trying to reach for the update (probably wouldn't work if the PC is connected to the internet)
3) Write a program, like the Game Tunnel software, to pretend to be an XBOX update server
4) It would then install the EvoX dashboard, Complex Loader, and all the other neccesary patches

In theory, wouldn't this allow people to use this software to basically change their XBOX dashboard to the EvoX and basically do what the Free-X can do without the need for a memory card or harddrive swap?

I have no idea how to go abour writing this program, how to figure out the IP of the server, or if this would have the same effect as the Free-X exploit.  I'm just writing this just incase this could give an idea to developers.  Hope this helps, and if it doesn't, well thanks anyway.

[inneedofhelp]

I know it seems improbable, but just imagine how simple it fould be to softmod an XBOX in the future if this were to be developed:

All you need is the program and any live game.
It would replace the dashboard (which isw aht its suppose to do now), but with an EvoX dashboard.  Since the way the Live games update your dashboard by downloading, installing, and replacing files, this would do the same thing that your trying to do with the 007 Free-X exploit.  However, it would be easier and cheaper (I would never use the action replay or the usb memory card for anything but the Free-X exploit).

This would also prevent people from screwing up the some-what difficult Free-X exploit and flooding these boards with SOS threads and repetitive newbie questions.

I appreciate people debating this, because my motivation for posting this was to get people thinking of alternatives.

[inneedofhelp]

I agree with you, the Free-X exploit is a great solution.

The point of my idea was to get people thinking about this.

How do the Live games update your dashboard: they download and install files onto your system.

How would this work: it would download and install all of the files (and i meanall the files) that have to be installed, ovewritten, and/or modified just as this current exploit does.
However, unline the current exploit, you don't need one of two games, a usb memory card, and experience with ftp, don't have to worry about screwing up the current files and ruining your system, and can be easily used to transform any xbox into a modded-like one.

I, personally, am gonna use the Free-X exploit because I know how the programs function, how to use dos, ftp, and other protocals that may be required.  However so many arguements on this board are about Newbies screwing up their system and not knowing what EvoX even is.  This could at least bring some peace to the scene if this were to come out.  I'm not saying it would be easy to do, but the teams that make such great releases as XLinux and Free-X could prob figure it out in a few years.

Again, it's entirely theoretical!

[Whatup1049]

I think its POSSIBLE, but won't be done unless some one knows some one deep in MS, primarily that designed the xboxlive updater! We need more technical info on exactly how it works, or else it will be like hacking xbox from the start again.

[inneedofhelp]

Well, I was thinking, can't the code for the LIVE updater be read by opening the files of games (by ripping them off the XBOX dvd drive and onto your PC harddrive) in a hex editor.  There is probably a data file in all LIVE games that is used for the update, if you search through it's source, can't you find the IP adrress that it connets to?  This is entirely a hunch, I've never even seen the contents of an XBOX disc.  Thanx

[inneedofhelp]

Ya, dawhiz, you have a point.  But what if it used a font or audio exploit like the other ones, but used the LIVE update to upload all of the neccessary files to install them?  Does anyone know if anything unsigned would have to be executed in order to allow EvoX to load on boot, or would merely using the font hack to load it?  Does the brilliance of the Free-X exploit lie in the glitch in the 007 game save loading, making my idea useless?

I appreciate all of the feedback.

[Artifex]

It's not possible.

Or, at least, it's more likely that you will win the lottery 20 or 30 times in a row, possibly more.

Actually, it would be much easier to randomly guess the retail signing key, eliminating the need for exploits, modchips, and hacked bioses alltogether.

If you don't believe me, go and read about secure authentication protocols, np-complete problems and symmetric cryptography.

Then go buy some lottery tickets.

--Artifex

[inneedofhelp]

As I said before Artifex, I do not have any knowledge of the LIVE system, the XBOX's protocal, or anything that technical.

However it is very arrogant of you to be so sure that it can't be done.

6 months ago, Artifex, if I were to to say "maybe M$ forgot to authenticate the font files and the game 007 can be used to exploit it."
You would have responded with "Yeah, like that's likely!  Maybe by shoving my foot in my mouth, I can sound like a pompus asshole."

This is the problem with these Goddamn forums, senior posters put down Newbs, and the rest of the community sticks up for the Newbs.  Then Newbs register just to sound smart by fuckin replying to threads cleary marked as "Theoretical" with a terribly pessimistic attitude.  

Who the hell are you anyway Artifex, the goddam Vice President of MS???
I bet he didn't even see the Free-X exploit coming.

[NeoKast]

Yes, it's all been monitored etc. I haven't read anything on it in months, but trust me, there's uncracked security there.

Artifax isn't off at all.

Like I said before, it's as secure as you trying to run a burned game on an unmodded Xbox.

[inneedofhelp]

Alright, well lets just hope for the future of this scene that something this easy will come along eventually.  It would be nice to direct Nebies to a very simple tutorial, something to the effect of:

"1)  Connect your XBOX to your PC directly with a crossover-cable.

2)  Run the program on your PC.

3)  Put a LIVE game into your XBOX and update your dashboard.

Enjoy"

We can only hope for now.