Topic: Plea For Stance Against Dashboard Exploit (Read 495 times)

bzchi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:12:00 PM »

Only thing I really want to say to this is, everyone is already here.. sure there will be an increase in users but any blind 12 year old can install a mod with an oxy welder these days, if they can't figure that out.. good luck to them figuring out how to do this.

The greatest affect will probably be the fact that there will be tousands more posts along the lines of "I just bought an xbox and my girlfriends brothers friend said I could play copied games.. is this true?"

*sigh*

It does feel very deja-vuish as the dreamcast didn't survive no-mod backups.

Evolution D · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:13:00 PM »

bzchi · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:15:00 PM »

Im saying if they can figure that out they can figure out how to install a mod. Simple as that.

To them it's not about opening your xbox or not.. its about playing Burnout 2 for 'free'

XDAWG · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:17:00 PM »

Im kinda with you on this one. And you can fit a lot of games on a couple 120 gig harddrives on your pc. I dont really know what to think about this it is pretty sweet what I gather out of it being that I am not a developer and dont know shit about it really but the way it sounds is that it does everything you can do with a chip. I just hope everyone doesnt get a hold of this info because if it is really easy to do everyone will be doing it and like you said the game devolopers wont really want to make games for a system that only 25-50% of the console owners are going to buy then the other 50-75% will just make a copy or download. This is a very hard topic to side on Im done.

XDAWG

bzchi · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:23:00 PM »

The person doing this wont just need a save file they will need to know how to get the save file from PC to memory card to XBOX. (sure its a pisser.. but how much time have you spent on this forum answering questions?). Its not just a case of 'loading a save file'

powerben5000 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:24:00 PM »

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and god forbid, Halo 2 canceled or moved to PS2.

When the game franchise belongs to M$?

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It does feel very deja-vuish as the dreamcast didn't survive no-mod backups.

Why does everyone say that PIRACY is what killed the Dreamcast? IMHO the only two things that killed the DC were
1. Sega's official announcement that they were no longer going to make/support DC (something MS has not done and is highly unlikely to do, even with this exploit)
2. Lack of a second axis (thumbstick) and number of buttons on the controller.

These are some intelligent thoughts and interesting ideas, but it's not going to be a nail in Xbox's coffin. I mean no offense, but it just sounds like FUD to me...Just watch, we'll see M$'s counterstroke in a few days.

Evolution D · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:29:00 PM »

Evolution D · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:34:00 PM »

powerben5000 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:37:00 PM »

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. Sega's official announcement that they were no longer going to make/support DC (something MS has not done and is highly unlikely to do, even with this exploit)

You do realise this was _after_ Utopia released their bootdisk?

The dreamcast still kicks ass today.

YES, I do. You are confusing correlation and causation. Just because Utopia released their boot disc first does not mean it caused the death of the DC. There are other factors to be considered.

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Dude I really doubt not having to joysticks lead to the demise of the Dreamcast lol. It was more like poor marketing, and the playstation had more games and more games the masses enj0yed. And howabotu people didn't wanna buy from sega after the release sega cd,32x and saturn. Don't get me wrong i loved my dreamcast very much

LOL, it did make it much harder to play FPS's tho (try playing Unreal Tournament on DC, you'll see what I mean...) In any case my point was that Dreamcast was killed by a _number_ of factors(like you said, poor marketing, lack of confidence (tons of lousy systems before the DC) and not just PIRACY...look at PS1, tons of piracy there and $ony did just fine.

Indeed DC is one of my fav systems and it died before its time, but Xbox is _not_ the next Dreamcast.

msn25 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 03, 2003, 08:59:00 PM »

i love the xbox...

i really dont want to see it turned into the next dreamcast.

You would be practically destroying what you created to hack in the first place...

...WHY DO IT?

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Everythings fucking great as I see it... I kind of enjoy the cat and mouse game M$ is playing with the updates to their mobos and media checks... its interesting... but it seems with this... the cat and mouse game could have its days numbered.

powerben5000 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:08:00 PM »

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Everythings fucking great as I see it... I kind of enjoy the cat and mouse game M$ is playing with the updates to their mobos and media checks... its interesting... but it seems with this... the cat and mouse game could have its days numbered.

Pfft....all it will take from the "cat" (M$) is a patched dashboard installed in all new systems, and a new dashboard distributed with every new retail game in the XBox Live menu...and for the most part, problem solved. In any case, how long will it be before XBox is at the end of its natural life cycle? 2005? Who wants a modchip for an outdated console? Just my two pennies.

underthebridge · « **Reply #13 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:17:00 PM »

rzyzzy · « **Reply #14 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:42:00 PM »

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However, if a large number of Xbox users can suddenly pirate games, you can bet that they will, after all, whey pas $50 for a game when u can just dl it for free. I am not condoning pirating games, just stating the obvious.

In case you haven't been looking, chips have been widely available for over a year now, and some of those have been painfully easy to install ("pogo-pins" anyone?) A top-of the line chip still costs about the same as one game, and while you can't buy a chip at wal-mart, it's not like this is or has been "secret" information. You are throwing out the same line of tripe that the music companies do about napster/grokster/kazaa etc, and it is simply *not* true. Some people will do it, some won't, and just because someone has 50 ripped games does not mean they would have paid $50 each for them if chips didn't exist. In fact, I'd suspect that if people *try* a game that's ripped, they may be more likely to buy a retail copy for live - there's no doubt in my mind M$ will find a way to kick them, and even though they might get on live for a while with a ripped copy, eventually they will get tired of getting kicked off, as you know it will happen, just as it has with the pc versions of online games.

You can't restrain knowledge, period. There is *no* secure "copy protection", it is a myth, just like the "tooth fairy" and the guy in the red suit who supposedly left the X-box under your christmas tree. Deal with it!

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So in relations to a war, we (the pirates) just designed the ULTIMATE SUPER WEAPON! MUAHHAHAH laugh.gif

I love this line - and while I think it's pretty funny, realistically, it took a long time to crack the xbox, and some pretty good minds were involved - M$'s best solution would be to push xbox2 out into market as fast as possible, and just make xbox1 obsolete. The box is already old, the pressure would then be on Sony to release a *real* competitor, instead of just repackaging 5 year old hardware into a fruity-colored case, or hyping non-existant hardware like they have been for the past 2 years...

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