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QUOTE (Evolution D @ Jul 4 2003, 04:29 AM)

Trust me, everyone wont know about it. How many people do you know in real life know about modchips?

That's why MS made the right decision ignoring these people.  What's the bigger headline?  "Xbox hacker group releases new exploit", or "M$ bows to pressure from hackers"?

Despite the apparent egos hard at work within this group, I doubt this will have any major effect on MS's market share or future plans whatsoever -- besides (if they're not complete morons) learning from their past errors.

[brienj]

It's very impractical to use this method to run pirated games. When you have the original BIOS the Xbox can only "see" 8GB of the HD.  (Correct me if I am wrong)

Big deal, you can backup one, maybe two games to the hard drive at a time to play on Live. Very, very impractical and not worth it. You still need to have a mod chip to use a bigger hard drive, this is NOT going to promote a lot of piracy anymore than mod chips already do.

It is just not a viable or practical solution to backing up games. I am sure some people would be willing to waste their time to do it, but in the long run, this isn't going to hurt Xbox the way people think it is. If they discover a way to play backups from the DVD easily with the original BIOS intact, then there may be a problem, but I believe you would have to patch the BIOS, thus making you banned if you used a Live game anyway.

If you modified the BIOS to allow it to work, then this release is not any different than just installing a mod chip. That's the point, this is no biger a deal than mod chips are. People that only use this released info to play a backup might as well just get a mod chip instead, it is NOT practical enough to just use this exploit to play a backup.

As it stands now, the Xbox won't turn into the Dreamcast, and piracy wasn't even the reason the Dreamcast went down the tubes. Sega just didn't have enough game developers for the console, end of story.

[XbOxGoD]

imho

this hack is very different from the DC bootdisc. simply because it costs a fair bit to run, i.e usb mem card, agent under fire/mechassault.

i think in that respect it's an ok alternative to modding your xbox, but i don't think this will ever offer the features a mod chip can offer.

also in answer to a previous post, it will only bring about as many n00bs as the matrix did.

only 2 things are certain, you can't play on live & mega x key sales are going to go thru the roof

[HumanClay]

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It's very impractical to use this method to run pirated games. When you have the original BIOS the Xbox can only "see" 8GB of the HD. (Correct me if I am wrong)

With this exploit you can see the F drive i beleive. Besides you can always store the games on your PC thru FTP or just burn them to dvd

[akula169]

QUOTE (leef @ Jul 4 2003, 09:52 AM)

QUOTE (Jse @ Jul 4 2003, 03:15 PM) is it just me or is this exploit going to bring loads and loads of N00B's to the scene um, it's just you.

Have you seen the number of people with new accounts in this forum?

And have you seen how many times they've asked the same question in multiple threads?  And they aren't direct questions either:

"Uhhh... I'm confused... how does this all work?  Uhh... What do I need to do...  Could someone post a step-by-step...."

I wish they'd take a second and read some other threads and check out the tutorials.... maybe even try a couple things, before coming here and looking for handouts.

[hand_of_LAW]

i agree with alot of what he says, but its TOO DAMN LATE !

MS should have at least talked to them.

[chilin_dude]

IMHO this is all for the good

[dmb062082]

Im going camping so I dont even have time to read the 1st post nor any others. JUST the forum topic name. Give me a break. All this is, is a easier way to modify your xbox. It should be welcomed with open arms. This is no different than modding your xbox just a little easier. Granted the blackmail is shady but cry me a river who really cares. The only downfall is we will be having a war of the noobs on our hands when they start flooding in. Other than that whats the big fucking deal? Grow up.

Peace im out camp is calling me.

[brienj]

Actually after thinking about it, it doesn't matter how much of the harddrive the BIOS can "see".  Using this exploit will not allow you to easily install a bigger hard drive, so mod chips are still necessary in the end.  So what is the big deal with this exploit, there is none, people are making it more than it is, the only thing that would be bad, is being able to play backups on Live, which is easily stopped by MS, and isn't a big deal anyway, cause if you modify the code of your game for cheating, I know that in system link games, you can't connect with other Xboxes, so it is surely the same on Live.  Alll you can do is play a backup off the hard drive, big whoopdie fricking doo, people are already doing it with mod chips.  And like I said before, the most a noob could fit on the standard hard drive is one, maybe two games max.  This will NOT kill the Xbox anymore than mod chips could kill it and obviously haven't.

[KaptinKABOOM]

QUOTE (ja30278 @ Jul 4 2003, 05:20 PM)

"Not to mention the people that don't know networking, IRC, newsgroups, FTP, etc. It takes time and a certain amount of technical savvy to pirate games today."

I think THIS is the Fact that everyone is overlooking. THINK about it... personally I mod everything, My Tivo, My DVD player, my Xbox, My Ps2.. EVERYTHING. Its mostly becuase of the challenge of doing it... well that and the fact that I can play a game and find out if it sucks before I feel like shelling out the dough for it (Like the fact that I bought morrowind, and copied Enclave), BUT I AM technically savy enough to do it.

Most people have no Idea how to program a VCR ... LET alone use a computer. even IF they make it into a BOOT disc you just have to pop in your xbox to allow you to play pirated games Not everyone will have it. Hell lots of people wont even care about it. If you go and do a search with Kazaa, the usenet, or on IRC for ANY piece of software for the computer  you can find it... Still MOST people have no idea how to do this.

People DO like things with EASE and avaibility. But what you all are NOT REALIZING is that just becuase this seems eaiser to us.... MOST people cant even fathom what this new hack means or does. EVEN if you put it in a nice and simple package (like an ISO you just have to burn and use) 90% people will STILL lack the knowledge to find and or use it.

I used to run my fathers computer store. One time I had a conversation on the phone with a lady about how to, as she put it:  "get the text off of the screen in MS Word to some paper", only to discover after 10 -15 minutes of trying to get her to hit "PRINT" in MS word that she DIDN'T EVEN have a FREAKIN printer. to which she replied "You mean I have to buy something else?".

Most people are not technically savy enough to burn a CD even.

At the Very worst this will just cause an influx of people who are just savy enough to use a boot disc to bust into the scene and ask stupid questions like "alright so I got this disc off of the net and I tried to burn it with easy Cd Creator but it wont play on my Xbox ... DUH what am I doing wrong??". Even then though.. the amount of people who could create the boot disc really arn't as many as people on this forum would have you belive.

But the likleyhood of this becoming totally mainstream and stabbing into the heart of the xbox is negligible.  At the VERY worst it will make MS update their dashboards on all New xbox's to counter it and make games with patches in it to fix it. NOT everyone will use it... becuase as I said once AGAIN most people arn't even technically savy enough to program a VCR.

When MS First started creating internet explorer they were dirrectly competing with Netscape. how did they beat out netscape?... they started giving away their browser for FREE.

Ms isn't afraid to loose a few bucks in their conquest to dominate the market... so this will not cause the xbox to die, although it may cause them to sink a WHOLE bunch of money into fighting back.

[sharkeater]

it would suk if this had a bad effect on m$ cos they might decide to cancel the xbox 2 if the scene gets to big, but i cant really talk im a nOOB

[SEViN]

QUOTE (quall @ Jul 4 2003, 02:19 PM)

QUOTE (DracoC77 @ Jul 4 2003, 04:03 AM) is possible that Doom 3 could be moved to PS2, GTA: Vice City canceled, and god forbid, Halo 2 canceled or moved to PS2. These are all horrible situations no-one in this scene ever wants to see in their lifetimes, ever. yes, I do agree, but those games were a bad examples. I'm pretty sure MS owns part of bungie or has a contract that they cannot get out of, so Halo 2 will not be moved to ps2. If bungie were to cancel it on the xbox, they would lose money so I doubt they will do that. Doom 3 may be canceled, but will also not appear on the PS2. The developers already stated that the PS2 cannot handle the intense engine of doom 3, nor do they want to downgrade the game to play on a PS2. Anyways, this hack will definately have a huge impact on the xbox. It will no doubt help increase the sales of xbox, but help decrease the sales of games, which is a very bad thing.

Correct. M$ OWNS Bungie you dimwit! Halo was supposed to be on PC back in 2001, but M$ ate Bungie and released it on Xbox first.

The PC version will be out in September BTW. God knows how long it'll be before Halo 2 is on PC. Good thing I got an Xbox.  

[dmauro]

I just thought I would share my experience with modchips:

I installed a modchip, and now I can go rent the games that are not worth buying, and yet still have them on my HDD to play.  Don't think I won't be purchasing Halo 2.

I have a friend who just got an XBOX because he found out that he could mod it.  He probably wont' be buying any games, and he probably wouldn't have bought any anyways.

I went to the hardware store the other day to get a torx bit, and the guy behind the counter knew right away that it was for an XBOX because he had had others in there doing the same, and he had modded his box as well.  It was a small corner hardware store.

I don't really have a point here.  I just wanted to share some modchip stories.  I think modding XBOXes is more widespread than most people realize, and I also don't think this hack will affect things much, except making it cheaper for people to mod their boxes, and thus maybe getting just a few more people to do it.  The greatest threat to an increase in the number of modded boxes is just word being spread that it is possible.  When people know they can pay someone to mod their box, with an on/off switch even, then even the most main-stream types will be interested.

[4NIC8TOR]

Bring it on!!!!  Dreamcast style!!  I'll watch it go down in flames and I'll be laughing all the way to the bank with my hard drive full of emulators,roms, movies, mp3's, and GAMES!  The xbox is usefull enough without any support.  I like the old school shit better anyway, lol.  This is great...HAPPY XBOX INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!!