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[LinksAwakening]

First off... don't get me wrong... I totally respect Free-X for taking the time and effort for releasing this exploit.

That being said... who else agrees that releasing this was a bad idea?

Here are some good points to the Exploit:
+No opening the Xbox to be able to run unsigned code

+Play backups on LIVE (even if only for a VERY short time)


Here are the bad points:
-M$ will inevitably incorporate security fixes in Xbox LIVE services to correct this exploit, which could also bring trouble to actual modchip users aswell.

-M$ may incorporate automatic, mandatory dashboard updates in newer games that will fix the dashboard flaw, which could (although unlikely with evoxdash.xbe bios) cause problems for actual modchip users as well.

Now I know you all are saying, "Well... we can just use the 007 exploit to put the old dash back on...", but do you REALLY want to have to do this everytime you play a game?

I really see no advantage of this over a modchip (except for the fact that you don't have to open the console... wow, it's so hard to use a screwdriver and a soldering iron ) and  all it is going to do in the long-run is cause Micro$oft to get more aggresive against not only the exploit users, but modchip users aswell...

[SEViN]

Good point, that's why I gave up on trying to extract it, lol. Plus I have a REAL modchip anyways.

[Xeero]

This makes me uneasy with the entire scene.  I don't like this scene.  I like the extra-hardware-required scene.

[Fire_-=]

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+No opening the Xbox to be able to run unsigned code

Is not supposed to rename the font files in the HD, you still need to open the xbox

[LinksAwakening]

QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 03:40 AM)

This makes me uneasy with the entire scene.  I don't like this scene.  I like the extra-hardware-required scene.

I agree... and that's not because we try to sound cool ("Oh yeah... I got a modchip, I'm 1337!!!") it's becasue it essentially keeps out the "riff-raff" so to speak.

I can already see the influx of n00bs to the scene asking how to open the .rar files for the pirated games they downloaded... ... and that will not only bring us (the entire Xbox Scene) down... but will also bring hombrew development down becuase of Micro$oft's battles to fight the new methods of (essentially) piracy...

[Dunny]

but the newbies (riff-raff  ) are welcome here as much as you mate,  for anybody who wont mod this is their chance to start doing what you were doing when you got your mod.

[LinksAwakening]

QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 03:51 AM)

but the newbies (riff-raff  ) are welcome here as much as you mate,  for anybody who wont mod this is their chance to start doing what you were doing when you got your mod.

I understand where you're coming from... but by "riff-raff" I didn't mean newbies... I meant all the lame@$$ 12-year old videogame pirates that will see this as a way to get "free games".

That I (personally) don't even have a major problem with. What I have a problem with is all the security fixes M$ will implement to fix this problem that will cause trouble for modchip users...

[Dunny]

but any 12 year Old who wants to play pirated games could easily have someone fit a chip for him ... TBH this exploit ATM is probably harder for newbies to do.

as for MS now releasing security fixes to sort this problem, I think if they could stop modchips from working they would already be doing it regardless of whether or not this hack was released.

[Xeero]

QUOTE (mustang79 @ Jul 3 2003, 11:54 PM)

don't be such an elitist.  we were all "noobs" at some point or another.... well, except for me.  i was born a computer-genius. seriously, though.  listen to yourself

I am actually not an elitist at all.  It's my impression that many others feel the same way I do.

Say you and your 2 buddies sit down for a nice 6-pack of Corona.  Mmmm...you love the taste of it.  It's nice and refreshing.  Then 17 people show up and want some, too...except they think the taste of beer is a little too harsh for them...and they don't feel like going for a drive to the packie (what we call a package store in Massachusetts).  So you're forced to water this beer down.  All of a sudden it doesn't taste so good.

Just because I liked the way my Corona tasted before doesn't make me an elitist.  I just happened to like the taste of it.  Now, I'm forced to experience the beer in a different way because all of a sudden these strangers showed up and aren't willing to accept the fact that they might have to bite the bullet and buy themselves a beer so everyone can enjoy it.  It may take a little more sweat on their part, but such is life.


Stuff like this waters down the scene...

[Asmodeus]

Funny thing is that you (in general....not directed at any one person) think MafiaSoft actually cares. They DO NOT! If they cared....they would not have broken the law (again) and made Internet Explorer incorporated into Windows XP. If they cared.....they might actually have tried to remove the messenger pop-ups that everyone hates. Truth is they do not care. They still have not made one cent in the console business (along with Sony), only Nintendo makes money in the console business. I would be screaming if I were a major shareholder! They seem to be giving up (completely) on the idea of making money with the XBox. I figure that they THINK they can make money in the next round. It is almost inevitable that Halo 2 will be delayed and released on the neXt Box.....along with all the good Rare titles that they paid so much money for (dummies). I thought by now that I would have a shelf of incredible titles to play on the big black box, instead of 299 average titles plus Halo. They have no killer apps.....minus Halo (which is a little long in the tooth). If it were not such a cool emulator....I probably would have sold it by now. I wish they would get off their butt and release some games....but I think everything worth playing will slip into the XBox 2 library.....especially now that anyone will be able to play backups on the XBox without a modchip. It would spell the end for any other company, but this is MafiaSoft.....they can afford these setbacks (Windows has and wil keep them afloat for a while). I think that the thing that made the XBox so unique (the hard drive) is going to be it's biggest downfall.


Hey look at that.....ANOTHER long-winded post from me.....what a suprise!  

[Xeero]

Also, I should add that "we were all newbies at one point" is generally used out of the context it was originally intended.  If someone pokes fun at someone for being a newbie, THEN the line should be thrown at them.  But if they poke fun at someone for being a dumb, lazy, arrogant newbie....keep the line to yourself.  I was never a dumb, lazy, arrogant newbie.  I kept my mouth shut until I knew what the hell I was doing.

[Xeero]

QUOTE (HumanClay @ Jul 4 2003, 12:05 AM)

But is it realy changing anything for you? Say the beer is your xbox. It does the same thnig now as it did yesterday.

In my analogy, the beer was the scene.  My closing line was that this stuff waters down the scene.  Of course it's not going to change anything in my Xbox because I am planning on keeping my modchip as it will probably prove to be a much more solid solution than this.  I'm not concerned for my Xbox.  I grieve for the scene.

[LinksAwakening]

QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 04:01 AM)

QUOTE (mustang79 @ Jul 3 2003, 11:54 PM) don't be such an elitist.  we were all "noobs" at some point or another.... well, except for me.  i was born a computer-genius. seriously, though.  listen to yourself I am actually not an elitist at all.  It's my impression that many others feel the same way I do. Say you and your 2 buddies sit down for a nice 6-pack of Corona.  Mmmm...you love the taste of it.  It's nice and refreshing.  Then 17 people show up and want some, too...except they think the taste of beer is a little too harsh for them...and they don't feel like going for a drive to the packie (what we call a package store in Massachusetts).  So you're forced to water this beer down.  All of a sudden it doesn't taste so good. Just because I liked the way my Corona tasted before doesn't make me an elitist.  I just happened to like the taste of it.  Now, I'm forced to experience the beer in a different way because all of a sudden these strangers showed up and aren't willing to accept the fact that they might have to bite the bullet and buy themselves a beer so everyone can enjoy it.  It may take a little more sweat on their part, but such is life. Stuff like this waters down the scene...

Exactly... except, add to that "Micro$oft" changing the law and making the legal drinking age 57... and you'll see what I'm worried about...

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The newbie calling is a bunch of BS...even Free-X was a newbie at one point, watch who u call a newbie because one day that newbie might just be more "133t" then you are. Besides, whats the diffrence...we are suppose to all be on the same team right?

I am on the same team as those who want to run homebrew applications on their Xbox... I am not on the same team as those who see this as a way to get "free games"...

[Xeero]

QUOTE (LinksAwakening @ Jul 4 2003, 12:10 AM)

QUOTE The newbie calling is a bunch of BS...even Free-X was a newbie at one point, watch who u call a newbie because one day that newbie might just be more "133t" then you are. Besides, whats the diffrence...we are suppose to all be on the same team right? I am on the same team as those who want to run homebrew applications on their Xbox... I am not on the same team as those who see this as a way to get "free games"...

Here, here.

[LinksAwakening]

QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 04:11 AM)

the "scene" is open to everyone though, and as Humanclay said it probably wont change anything for you .... that beer was given to you and now you have to share it!

But what if (because of the addition of beer-drinkers) they now take away ALL the beer?

Now... everyone suffers because of the newcomers...