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[triggernum5]

  From what I did read I agree totally with krazie..  Can't wait till I get the chance to play with nkpatcher 8.1 re: C Shadowing/iso mounting..  Exploits may be surpassing chips hands down pretty soon

[JohnnyHunng]

 I did buy tons of X2.2s a while ago though...I think it's X3 time to see what the fuss is about and it better be good or i'm sending it back and doing a softmod! Not!

Later guys.

[krayzie]

yeah we still are aware lots of people dislike softmods for the obvious reasons I mentioned (shallowminded and/or ignorant). Now please go support your modchip supliers.

[JohnnyHunng]

krayzie, i treated u with respect, i didn't have any smug things to say about u, please don't be a jerk and post dumb stuff like u just said behind my posts.

Besides, i was talking to squirel, i had finished talking to u last page.

[krayzie]

I wasn't saying you are shallow minded. You allready made your ethic statement about supporting the modchip market. I just meant the majority of people who dislike softmods are shallow minded or ignorant. No offence. let everyone just do as they please.

[JohnnyHunng]

Agreed.

[slappy_squirel]

QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 17 2004, 10:54 AM)

Well slapp squirel, for a long time the "scene" only was modchips, from psx to even gamecube now...So most of the "scene" is modchips to me and of course there's room for softmods in the xbox scene...

Well for the psx the game enhancer which let you swap disks came out before the modchip "old crow" gets the credit for the first chip for the playstation.  

Dreamcast started with a boot disk then self booting games.  

They used the swap trick in japan also before a chip came out (alll depends on if you want to call a external neokey a modchip, you do have to solder one wire inside this could still be considered a modchip in a sense but still required a boot disk)  for the ps2.  Glad that is not the case anymore

The xbox however was the first one truly with a chip solution first that you didnt have to use some kind of disk to assist from the beginning of its creation

For the gamecube you have been able to play games for at least a year and a half with a network adaptor connecting the gamecube to your computer with the right software.  The first chip for it was announce about a month ago

[JohnnyHunng]

first PS2 mod was the Neo which was a 12c508, then Neo 2, then Neo key, yes required swapping just thought i'd clarify...I'd don't recall the game enhancer swap thing being before the first ps2 4-wire mod....u sure about that?

[Icevenom]

i might be mistaken but iw as under the impression u need to lock an HD to run on softmod, but hey what do i know.

on another note u dont have to buy something u need to support the scene
there are many ways
• people can personally contribute their time and money in r&d themselves
• donate?
• offer webspace, server stuff etc theres many ways to help

a community is a community becuase the people communicate work together and so forth not becuase we pay some dudes and if we didnt it wouldnt exist

the community is driven by a goal more than a profit, profit and money just helpa ct as an incentive at times.

but back to the point of the thread, theres no real bad thing about softmod other then bios being on HDD i guess and the unlocked thing and some minor stuff, but if u truely know what ur doing in any case and in any industry, project etc, then u should be able to fix ur problem regardless.

SO ill conclude in saying they are all equal in some regards with their own personal benefits
modchips: few extra functions and abilities
softmod: ease of use, speed of install, pretty compatible overall

most of the softmod issues were resolves long ago with clock loops and stuff, with isntallers and all these backup precautions and so forth there margins between methods i think are reduced if not eliminated.

thats my 2 cents


personal curiosity, does the gamecube and ps2 have their own style "scene website"  i have a gamecube 2 i woudlnt mind seeing whats going on in that camp
btw saw the Nintendo DS lastnight my friend got it fromt he nintendo factory defective for so cheap, its wack

[JohnnyHunng]

check out www.ps2scene.org

[slappy_squirel]

mistake please delete mods

[zookolo]

[JohnnyHunng]

I think we all have supported M$ by buying Xbox consoles and i'm pretty sure all of us have bought original games...So what are u talking about?

Softmod is the evolving modchip, uhhhhhh no...It's own way of modifying the console, own class....It's a mod, but not a modchip...next.

I think we all came to the conclusion on this thread that we all have our own opinions on what supporting the scene is, if u believe supporting the hacking scene is doing it free then that's u.

[rawring_wagon]

) and use the back along with xboxhdm to fix it

note: cursing a lot is optional but I find it makes things easier after I break something.

[chimpanzee]

QUOTE (Modiller @ Dec 20 2004, 01:56 AM)

if you mess up your softmod what do you do? You need some way to FTP back into the console to fix things. A modchip will do that, even if its a aladdin you can boot up a ava boot disk ftp in and fix it.

if you mess up with the modchip, what do you do ? With softmod, the worst case is you hotswap(or unlock) the HD and fix it in another machine(assuming you do the sane thing of getting the eeprom before doing HD install). With a modchip that requires soldering, you can trash the MB forever.

So this "If you mess up" is IMO meaningless.  If you don't have the skill, get someone do the mod(soft or hard), and this "if you mess up" won't happen.