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[celinedrules]

QUOTE (Ichiro.nl @ Dec 16 2004, 06:05 AM)

no booting from unlocked hard drives You can do it, I've just built a 160 gig maxtor diamond series hard disk in my xbox and it works perfectly.

Yeah I dont think you mean what you typed. You did not build your drive.

Yes, the hard drive must be locked.

[krayzie]

Again there are lots of people who are developing hacking and creating usefull stuff without ever getting a dime from the whole modchip market.

[chimpanzee]

QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 16 2004, 09:18 PM)

Yes it's totally an ethical issue and not a technical issue, i think i touched on that in one of my replies...And i think people should at least buy one mod, or donate to developers during their xbox hacking career...Especially the people who make tons of cash modding peoples boxes....

huh ? Let's not kid ourself, modding(software or hard) are mainly used to run "backup" copies which I can at best be neutral to. I am pretty happy to buy Xbox hackers a beer or two if they do it for fun/pride but paying to hackers who is effectively making a living on some very suspicious business, no way.

[JohnnyHunng]

What u do with ur modded box after u mod is ur business, the modchip developers don't sell illegal copies of games, that's not even relevant what u said chimpanzee..We all know 95% of the people who mod their xboxes in some form or fashion do it to play illegal copies...but that's them, that has nothing to do with the mod itself or the people who make mods...

krayzie, i'm sure there are several people that have donated a lot of knowledge, files and tuts to the scene and never got a dime, but who says that's a good thing? That's why it takes a million years for people who release softmodding packages and tsop packages to release new ones, like they care if people are crying for fixes, they ain't gettin paid...And on the other hand, we see new and better mods all the time cuz people actually buy em.

[krayzie]

Right well as everyone can see this is a pointless discussion. I anyways don't feel like contributing to any new fancy chip features. Everyone luckily have their own ethical thoughts. Also I don't see a difference in contributing to the modchip industry or contributing to the games industry. Both need to get paid for further development.

[chimpanzee]

QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 16 2004, 09:33 PM)

What u do with ur modded box after u mod is ur business, the modchip developers don't sell illegal copies of games, that's not even relevant what u said chimpanzee..We all know 95% of the people who mod their xboxes in some form or fashion do it to play illegal copies...but that's them, that has nothing to do with the mod itself or the people who make mods... krayzie, i'm sure there are several people that have donated a lot of knowledge, files and tuts to the scene and never got a dime, but who says that's a good thing? That's why it takes a million years for people who release softmodding packages and tsop packages to release new ones, like they care if people are crying for fixes, they ain't gettin paid...And on the other hand, we see new and better mods all the time cuz people actually buy em.

Making profit(I am not sure how large it is but I believe it is not peanut) out of 90% intend to play pirate copy is not something I can ethically support. Now if they can limit the modchip to not running any hacked BIOS but just cromwell, I may say let's support them. This is a legitimate business for giving the taken away right of every Xbox owner which I would support.

Not everyone is dollar motivated. The softmod guys in general give very good support and the response to Xbox changes was just as fast as the modchip guys. We saw the advance of DD to UDE to UDE2 to UXE all within the last year which turns out to be more universal and stable than modchip, none of them saying "give me money and I can make the process faster"

[JohnnyHunng]

Well guys, we are opposite sides of the fence like Krayzie said, i respect y'all opinion...Later fellas.

[ICU]

[big ben bullet]

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Exploits also brought with them an influx of new people into the scene. People who were unwilling or unable to do the physical mods or pay the prices associated with them. For some this was and still is viewed as a huge negative on the scene as a whole. I’m personally not thrilled that the Exploits were released to the public but it did usher in a new era in modding for the xbox scene. In some respect.. it was a revitalization with all the fresh blood and fresh ideas then being bantered about. It also was a huge step forward into moving the scene out of the underground and baby steps into the mainstream. (whether that is a good or bad thing.. is a topic worthy of another thread at another time.) With that exposure even more people are now coming in with new ideas... fresh perspectives... and a renewed vigor that can only be a good thing over-all. (imo) It also helped to wake up the teams responsible for developing the modchips that drive this scene. New advancements, ideas, and options are brewing and new teams are appearing with each new season.

edited: Just don't like autoinstallers alot... but that doesn't mean I don't have a great deal of respect for ldots (and even for waffle)

[krayzie]

Yeah but it shouldn't be the case that softmods are "bad" cuz some people charge way to much for installing them. Those guys are just greedy bastards that take advantage of the dumbness and/or n00bness of people. There are also a lot of people charging way too much to install some shitty modchip.

[sushi_lover_1]

I am the proud owner of two xboxes (versions 1.0 and 1.1) with modchips (Xecuter 1.1 & Xecuter Lite 2.2) and one xbox (version 1.3) with a flashed TSOP.  I am exploring the soft mod method for the new version 1.6b; I think the holiday bundle with NCAA Football 2005 / Top Spin is a v1.6b.  This will be a gift to my niece.  My question is, what are the possibilities that M$ will code their games to mess with soft mods?  In other words, the default.xbe, updatedash.xbe, or any other .xbe executable on the game will seek out exploits/bioses on the hard drive, delete it, and render it useless?  If this is possible, what is the recovery time/effort?  I for one will consider this before soft modding or buying a modchip for this gift.

[krayzie]

QUOTE (sushi_lover_1 @ Dec 17 2004, 06:52 AM)

I am the proud owner of two xboxes (versions 1.0 and 1.1) with modchips (Xecuter 1.1 & Xecuter Lite 2.2) and one xbox (version 1.3) with a flashed TSOP.  I am exploring the soft mod method for the new version 1.6b; I think the holiday bundle with NCAA Football 2005 / Top Spin is a v1.6b.  This will be a gift to my niece.  My question is, what are the possibilities that M$ will code their games to mess with soft mods?  In other words, the default.xbe, updatedash.xbe, or any other .xbe executable on the game will seek out exploits/bioses on the hard drive, delete it, and render it useless?  If this is possible, what is the recovery time/effort?  I for one will consider this before soft modding or buying a modchip for this gift.

M$ has not done anything to kill out exploit or change anything on our hd's. The system hangs before any actual update is executed cuz the update files can never reach all the nescesary files that are needed for their update . But no one knows what happens in the future so our exploit wizzard Rmenhal made us a nice goodie called shadow C maker. This will make a virtual c drive (where all important system/boot files are) and places that on E. So when the xbox is fully booted there is no way for anyone to touch the real C drive anymore. Including m$.

[JohnnyHunng]

I gotta admit, that shadow shit is pretty fresh.

[slappy_squirel]

please delete wrong place will put in correct place

[slappy_squirel]

QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 16 2004, 02:18 PM)

Yes it's totally an ethical issue and not a technical issue, i think i touched on that in one of my replies...And i think people should at least buy one mod, or donate to developers during their xbox hacking career...Especially the people who make tons of cash modding peoples boxes.... The ethics behing my arguement and softmod being "bad" is just that...i know it works, but i think people should want to help out a little bit....I think that's why u catch people badmouthing softmods (besides the stuff that was stated earlier) it's too "free" so to speak...Doesn't make it bad, or not work, just wrong...know what i mean? I added that part about softmods not giving back to the scene as a part of it being "bad" like the threadstarter asked becuz afterall, it being a free method of modding and nobody getting paid for it, is part of it itself.

Do you only the consider "the scene" mainly modchip makers?
Do you really think softmods hurt modchip sales and developement?
Do you think most people care who want a modded xbox care about how its modded or just want to play their games  (I think the average person cares about, 1. How much will it cost to mod 2. Will it work effectively to play my backup of spongebob squarepants or which ever game for little Jimmy or Big Jimmy)?

I think chips are great but it boils down to a personal opinion thing I think that people can still come up with new innovative ideas with softmods (someone has to put a wrinkle in to prevent it from working first though but the question comes of why reinvent the wheel at the moment) Chip makers main intrest is to make money If they want the money they will come out with new chips.  Its a free market in the US if you want people to buy your product you have to be competitive and if you cant compete get off the railroad tracks and move out of the way

Where there is a will there is a way softmods also promote chips too.
If you look at it chip makers will have to come up with things far more exciting than -Guess what, my chip can boot a game and switch a bios and turn off and on with a blue light oooooo weeee!!!!
(I think that would help developement also)

BTW I love my executer 2.3 lite and I love softmodding too but we have has this converstion before

There is still room for both in the world