Topic: Clock Loop Experiments And Possible Solutions (Read 748 times)

Agent Orange · « **Reply #15 on:** October 29, 2003, 04:51:00 PM »

I was thinking about this before, and I was curious if anyone had the exact boot order, mebbe from a retail bios or something. I'm sure someone has investigated this thoroughly...

ddaddy · « **Reply #16 on:** October 29, 2003, 05:39:00 PM »

QUOTE (Haruno @ Oct 30 2003, 12:01 AM)

yes it does count as network but he did say without internet sharing...meaning no acces to teh net...the only reason ppl say put in a cat5 and no more loop because evox connects to a server that corrects the time....or maybe it takes it from computers tat are on at teh time?.....wait...i dunno...
basically i think he's saying
No cat5, infinite loop
Cat5, 10 minute loop
Network no internet, 20 minute loop?

Up to this point i hadn't tested it with just cat5 but no network. So basically,
No cat5, infinate loop
Network with or without internet access, boots after 3 reboots

Obviously without internet access, you'd need to use fonts that set the date for you, like bigfonts. With internet it would get date from net once booted.

Now onto todays findings,

I tried booting with my network intact, yet with my pc switched off.
3 boots and it loaded. (i made sure it was in an infinate loop with the cat5 out first)
I do use a hub, so like Dagoth said, the hub will count as a network connection.

Agent Orange:

If i watch the screen carefully when it boots (without a loop, with the xbox booting fine)
Just before pheonix kicks in, i can see a green circle appearing, then pheonix kicks in.
This was without any network plugged in at all.
Now when i boot with a network connected, the box boots to pheonix without seeing the circle appear.
What i expect is happening, is that the xbox detects a network and has to run through network settings before running the green circle. So the network DELAYS the bootup sequence. Hence when we have a loop problem, the network slows the boot process so pheonix can kik in before the clock settings screen.

So i think its safe to say, a network connection solves the clock loop problem.
So what about those without a network or a hub. Is there any modification that can be done to a cat5 cable, to act like a hub (like joining certain wires together, or maybe putting a battery between certain wires to act like a hub). So 1 simple cable plugged into the xbox will pretend to be a network.

Agent Orange · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2003, 05:48:00 PM »

there is a way to do what you're asking... I remember in school, we had a network cable tester, and you plug the tester in one end and a dongle on the other... mebbe if someone has one, to see what makes it tick?

ddaddy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2003, 06:00:00 PM »

Good idea.
Maybe i'll email a few guys from some network help websites, see if i can find out how a network ticks.
Just finding out which wire does what in a cat5 could possily lead to a solution.

Im dreaming of cat5 network plug with a few small wires joining pins.
Small and easy to use when you get a loop.

Possible?? who knows.

whatch this space

Agent Orange · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2003, 09:43:00 PM »

actually, you could prolly find the documentation online... a cat 5 cable is composed of 4 twisted pairs of wires... just cut an end off, and youshould be able to connect the wires that way... I can't remember the color codes, though.. I'm sure it's on the web..

Xboxhakur · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »

later...

This post has been edited by Xboxhakur: Nov 16 2003, 06:15 AM

ddaddy · « **Reply #21 on:** October 30, 2003, 05:04:00 AM »

Oh My God, it worked

I got an old RJ45 plug i had with inch long wires sticking out, and twisted together wires 1&3 and 2&6.

I tried starting my xbox this morning after leaving it unplugged and it was in a loop.

I plugged in my RJ45 plug, and voila, it booted first time.

I will leave it unplugged again when i go to work, so i can test it again tonight, but i think this could solve the problem for anyone without a pc or a home network

Thanks for your help.

I would like to see if anyone else gets the same results, if anyone would be so kind as to test it.

Thx

ddaddy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2003, 05:41:00 AM »

Double post sorry

This post has been edited by ddaddy: Oct 30 2003, 01:42 PM

stanneh · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2003, 07:31:00 AM »

interesting it will be cool to know if it works for others i would test but i have flashed my tsop so obviously im just interested in your results to be nosy

Dest46 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2003, 10:25:00 AM »

Can someone explain how i figure out which wires are which like how do i know whats 1 and shit

ddaddy · « **Reply #25 on:** October 30, 2003, 01:34:00 PM »

hold the plug so the pins are at the top facing you, the wires go into the bottom, and the clip is away from you.

Pin 1 is on the left, pin 8 on the right

ddaddy · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2003, 01:40:00 PM »

It must require a cold boot to work.

Anyone else tried this yet???

Mad_Gouki · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2003, 07:20:00 PM »

i think it depends on the xbox...
mine will boot to evox within 20 seconds with or without the ethernet cable hooked in

SigTom · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:50:00 PM »

Im trying this out tonight ddaddy I did this mod to one of my xboxes and 2 of my friends. Only 1 of them is having this problem, the one guy without a computer, hence no internet access. Im letting my xbox power off and stay down for a few hours, then Im hooking up a feedback CAT5 cable. From your tests and results, and the principle of the idea, I think this seems like it would, and be an easy fix, just a small bit of CAT5 from the back which most people have anyways.

Just a thought (after I made mine) Cut your CAT-5 in the middle of the cable when you make it, or a couple inches down from a connector, that way you can make 2. I pulled tha wires right out of the RJ-45 pin. Doh!

ddaddy · « **Reply #29 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:52:00 PM »

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