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[SSSSSmokey]

Man, one of the best things about Live is that you need to buy the game and can't cheat...
I will never get it if people start playing copied games with this!

[feflicker]

Why is it one of the best things?

The cheating I understand, but who cares if it is a backup copy. You still have to pay for live, right?

[XanTium]

if you can play backups ... u can cheat ... that's what he means.

but for now xlive can still detect it (kernel in memory is patched - xlive checks that).

[quall]

I don't even want to see cheaters at all, including legal copies and not just the illegal ones.

[Crusader]

It's annoying how people assume that people who want to play backups on live are either cheaters or expect to use the live service for free. Personally, I make copies of all my retail games and would like to be able to use them online. Also, I don't see why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online.

[pez]

QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 07:54 PM)

It's annoying how people assume that people who want to play backups on live are either cheaters or expect to use the live service for free. Personally, I make copies of all my retail games and would like to be able to use them online. Also, I don't see why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online.

The problem is that if backups (unsigned code) are made possible on Live, then so are hacks. Just because you won't cheat or use pirated games on Live doesn't mean that other people will abide by the same rules.

Believe me, if unsigned code is allowed to get on, there WILL be cheaters even if you (Crusader) don't cheat.

Therefore, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out "why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online."

[Crusader]

No one's PC is exactly the same, and while you will occassionally run into cheaters, it doesn't stop most online PC gaming from being fun.

It's all about control, and I won't allow MS to tell what I can and can't do to the hardware that I bought.

[crapdude2001]

But game companys try their hardest to block cheaters from cheating and making the game crap thus M$ for once was smart.. try to cut it off at the source, but as usal M$ fuks it up I hope they fix it

[pez]

QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 09:32 PM)

No one's PC is exactly the same, and while you will occassionally run into cheaters, it doesn't stop most online PC gaming from being fun. It's all about control, and I won't allow MS to tell what I can and can't do to the hardware that I bought.

You can do whatever you want with the hardware you bought. That's fully within your rights.

However, it's perfectly within MS' rights to ban you from their online service if you try to bypass the online service's security. If you get banned, that's the risk you take. Blocking out cheaters keeps the system working on a level playing field.

[Crusader]

My point is the security system goes too far. I don't care if it's not a PC, I don't want MS scanning my console anytime they want.

There would be no privacy issues at stake if online games would use cd keys instead of these stupid checks....then we could use our Xboxs in any state but it would have to be up to the game companies to stop cheating.

[splict]

QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 3 2003, 04:50 AM)

I don't want MS scanning my console anytime they want.

They're not scanning it anytime they want, only when you connect to their service. That's a big difference.

[pez]

QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 09:50 PM)

My point is the security system goes too far. I don't care if it's not a PC, I don't want MS scanning my console anytime they want. There would be no privacy issues at stake if online games would use cd keys instead of these stupid checks....then we could use our Xboxs in any state but it would have to be up to the game companies to stop cheating.

There's no privacy issue here. There's no scanning or banning until YOU voluntarily initiate a connection to THEIR system.

If you have a problem with that, then don't touch any menu options relating to Live when your mod chip is on.

I'm don't even think the Live server actually scans the user for modifications. The way I understand it (and I could be wrong), it's the client software on the user's end that transmits upon connection whether the BIOS has been modified.

[RayTwoOneThree]

I tryed it and i couldnt get on......

[MikeHolliday]

QUOTE (pez @ Jul 3 2003, 04:40 AM)

QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 07:54 PM) It's annoying how people assume that people who want to play backups on live are either cheaters or expect to use the live service for free. Personally, I make copies of all my retail games and would like to be able to use them online. Also, I don't see why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online. The problem is that if backups (unsigned code) are made possible on Live, then so are hacks. Just because you won't cheat or use pirated games on Live doesn't mean that other people will abide by the same rules. Believe me, if unsigned code is allowed to get on, there WILL be cheaters even if you (Crusader) don't cheat. Therefore, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out "why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online."

Ever play Halo on Xbconnect? No way to cheat.
There goes your entire argument.

[da_shiznit]

on the contrary, there is a way to cheat in halo on xbconnect, and ive seen it done before.  They were on top of blood glutch and when I was shooting him, it didnt affect him at all.  I've seen hacks already made too!