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[el_diablo]

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This is a complete rip off! Hell, Aladdin chips are supposed to be cheap mod chips for modders to buy in bulk. You can get one for less that US$10 from most places, for example robotpig.com sells Aladdin XT Lite for US$8 in quantity of 30 chips. It is not even SmartXX v2, Xecuter 3 or Xenium Ice! I will only dare to charge about US$35 for a hard mod with Aladdin XT lite.

i agree with that, but the guy did have to travel.

[Master-Chief]

[eminvil_12]

QUOTE (Musica @ Dec 12 2004, 07:55 AM)

I’ve been following this topic since the beginning, and I think it’s totally unfair that you guys bitch about someone else work without even knowing the MODDER. My friend and I had our Xboxes done by the same guy you are back stabbing. What I have to say is that I think there’s always 2 sides two a coin like there are two or more version to the same story. This Modder guy is actually a very nice guy.  I don’t think he intentionally mislead eminvil into believeing that he was gonna install a mod chip and then TSOP flash his Xbox.   We got our xbox done about 8 months ago.  He gave us 2 option:  1) TSOP flash for $80  and 2) Aladdin modchip for $120.  He explained the difference between the two TWICE to make sure that we would make the right decision.   I chose to TSOP falsh my xbox because it was the cheaper option and I did not need to use xbox live. He also installed Slayerz EvoX on my box.  He spent half an hour going through every single function, showed me how to install games on the xbox and asked me to go through the same process onmy own.  This guy was really professional.  I am sure that eminvil received the same level of service.   This Modder Guy also left his details on two stickers under my xbox.  He asked me to call him if I had any troubles.  He provide “after sale” support free of charge.  He left the same stickers under eminvil’s xbox!!! A week later my friend got his xbox chipped.  My friend chose the Aladdin so the guy installed the Aladdin for him, right in front of our eyes.  It took him a bit longer.  Again the Modder spent half an hour going through every single menu on evoX.  Eventhough my friend already knew how to use it.  He also gave us some hints/warnings such as keeping the xbox cool. I am sure the gave eminvil the same hints. Summary and conclusion: 1.   eminvil might not have understood the difference between a TSOP flash and a Mod Chip and made the wrong decision, perhaps because he tends to spend money too carefully as you all have noticed him complaining about $AUD 80 for a service that was performed at his house.   2.   $AUD 80 might seem excessive but this was at least over 6 if not 8 moths ago.  Consider this: the guy had to travel 1 hour in each direction, which makes 2 hours travelling, spend $20 on petrol, pay $10 on the citylink tollway, that’s $30 in expenses already, so basically eminvil got his TSOP for $50 only without considering the travel time, and without considering that it was 8 MONTHS AGO when prices were still high.  The Modder would have installed a mod chip if  eminvil payed extra and asked him to install a chip as he did for my friend. 3.   To all those who contributed to this topic jumping to conclusion far too early remind yourself that there’s always at least 2 version to a story.  Most of you have been biased by eminvil’s version and made the wrong conclusion about this Very Nice and Professional Modder, who is in no way responsible for eminvil’s lack of understanding between a TSOP flash and a mod chip, and consequently his choice. 4.   If the modder was to intentionally rip off eminvil he WOULD NOT have left all his details on eminvil’s xbox!!!!!! 5.   To all guy Modders: have respect for one of your fellow modder, I am sure some of you would have had to deal with explaining the differences between different modding techniques, and making sure that people made the right choice, and how difficult it is to make someone understand when they are not ready to understand. 6.   To eminvil: have some respect for your modder if you a MAN ENOUGH!  I am sure that you cannot gather enough courage to call this guy is because you know that he provided a very good service. You cannot denied that eventhough it might have taken him 5 mintues to flash your xbox, he spent half an hour going through evox and showing you how to use the xbox as he did with me.  I think that you yourself deep down know that you made the wrong choice and paid for a Flash instead of a Mod chip.  Even if you are really conviced that that guy intentionally ripped you off, have some respect for YOURSELF!  Find the courage to call him and speak to him personally instead of bitch about in the forum. Regards, Merry Xmas to you all and have a happy new year. Musica.

hi musica,  have read your post very carefully but things just dont match up.
1)   how do you know we shared the same mod chip installer as alot put their details on stickers underneath the xbox to hide the screw holes.
2)   this mod chip installer DID NOT offer me two options, either the TSOP flash for $80 or an ACTUAL modchip for $120.
3)   he mentioned NOTHING about an TSOP, if he did i for one would have remembered and definitely asked what a TSOP flash was and what the difference was between a TSOP flash and an MODCHIP.
4)   He DID NOT explain the difference between a TSOP flash and MODCHIP because a TSOP was NEVER mentioned.  He knocked on the front door of my house and said, and i quote "Hi, did you ring earlier about your xbox being chipped".  we said yes and let the bloke in.  Still no mention of a TSOP.
5)   This mod installer however did install slayers on my xbox, he showed me ONE thing with it.  He loaded like 10 shitty games from the arcade era and said thats how you put on a game, this took him under 5minutes.
6)   This mod installer gave me no hints or tips what so ever to keeping the xbox cool.

MODCHIPS INSTALLED his ad read, this means a MODCHIP for example X2 or aladdin etc.  NOT a TSOP flash

It was performed 6 MONTHS AGO nearly to the day.

Modder DID NOT ask me whether i wanted a TSOP flash, why would he bother coming to my house after driving for an hour and spending $30 on petrol only to find i didnt want to pay $80 for a TSOP flash  but instead $80 for a MOD CHIP.

Modder intentially ripped me off because what noobies go on to find what a TSOP flash is, how it works and is performed.  And if they do what are they going to do?

and i am going to ring this guy, i  was just trying to find ALL the information i could on TSOP flashing and modchips, so when ringing this mod chip installer i could back myself up.

regards,

eminvil_12

[spacefrog]

I agree with musica.

I read through this post from start to finish, and some posts just enrage me!


I got into xbox modding because of TSOP flashing. I've been modidng xboxes for about 18months and have done 150+ xboxes. And am using chips now cos of the 1.6's. Which I don't trust btw.

Once an Xbox has been tsop'd it's much more reliable. The onboard tsop will never let you down. Chips can come loose or start working intermittantly.

My rates, $80AUD for a TSOP mod, $90 for a chip.  +$150 for 120gb +$210 200gb, Saves are backed up, hd is formated and loaded with apps. HD is 'fully loaded'. And I show 'em how to use all the software. I get plenty of repeat customers and referals because my work is good. And I always let people know that I am available to answer any questions they have.

If the guy said he's putting a modchip in then He lied or miscommunicated what he was doing. I sometimes explain to people what I'm doing. Most people don't care, as long as they can play games off the HDD, or burnt DVD's they are fine with that. Most of my clients are through word of mouth, So they know of the quality service that I provide.  With new clients I talk with them to gauge their knowledge or use of the xbox and if it is apparant they aren't some housewife modding the xbox for their 12 year old son etc. Then I'll explain the TSOP thing to them.   Xbox modding is very complicated, and I like to save my breath for explaining how to use evox, dvd2xbox and XBMC.

My opinion, If you feel he lied to you, then you should be mad. However I wouldnt go around there hastling him. My suggestion is that you ask him to put a switch in. since you have a 1.1 you can boot multiple bios's therefore having the same features as a chip!  A deal is a deal in my book, the money has exchanged hands. You've been able to play burnt games, the xbox isn't on fire.  Do you have any desire to use xbox live, or to re-flash your bios every 2 weeks?

People come to me to get a mod done. I'm not driving around melbourne to get your business! You're too young to drive (on your own) and pay for a car and keep it maintained. Driving from southeast melbourne to north western suburbs isn't fun!! I would tell you to mail it to me!! However if you are a nice guy I might make an exception. But from the animosity you have displayed in this thread....


My customers like the work I do and I would hope they don't take their xboxes to some1else to get extra work done.  I just bought a 2nd hand xbox from a client, He had it soft modded from your guy 0423 *** 935, and then got a 120gb put in from another guy 0401 *** 054.  (I'm assuming it's softmodded because it was before the evox m8_16 bios was out) This guy has shopped around, and he's recommending all his friends to me.  So i guess your guy aint perfect, but don't go demmanding money from him or go round beating him up. $80 for a tsop mod at your home is a damn good price! if you're bitching about $$ I wouldnt think about a chip or xbox live subscriptions, broadband internet bills or  a stack of original games to play on live

[spacefrog]

Just opened up that old xbox.

turns out its a 1.4/1.5 tsop'd

I'm pretty happy bout that. Cos I don't have to spend time & money chippin it.

and those top points look perfect!!

[el_diablo]

QUOTE (spacefrog @ Dec 13 2004, 12:51 PM)

Once an Xbox has been tsop'd it's much more reliable. The onboard tsop will never let you down. Chips can come loose or start working intermittantly.

not if they are quality chips and installed by someone good.

[spacefrog]

Quality chips and a good installer will can cost $180AUD, Most people aren't prepared to pay anything near that for a simple modification.

[eminvil_12]

QUOTE (spacefrog @ Dec 14 2004, 09:09 AM)

Quality chips and a good installer will can cost $180AUD, Most people aren't prepared to pay anything near that for a simple modification.

  $180, i dont think so mate. take a look at half the aussie modders here who mod xbox for under $100. one of them is el diablo i believe, correct me if im wrong.

if you pay that much for a chip the guy is obviously ripping you off. and with todays chips where some are even SOLDERLESS  you can get for probably around $100aud and simply install yourself, also the chips coming out these days are not 29 wires anymore. try 3 wires on some.

and im sure people dont want to pay $80-$100 for a TSOP flash, where they can do it themselves for, well almost nothing.

you can even get half decent chips for bloody $20aud with only 3 wire installation. lol these guys thinking you have to pay a whopping $180 for a modchip. thats outrageous here in australia.

spacefrog, are you from AUS?

[spacefrog]

I'm just talkin out my arse i guess, but for a big brand chip, like a smart xx, xecuter etc, they're like $60- $80 maybe more?  And especially if it's a 1.6, I'd like to make at least $60-$70 profit off it. Everyone charging to install chips for $50-$120 is using alladins or duoX2's that cost them under $25

[1nick9]

[eminvil_12]

    guys

[1nick9]

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and i do installs for less then $100

yea well i do them for $60 and yea let this thread die


cheers

[eminvil_12]

eminvil_12

[lordvader129]

done and done