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[Noilegnave Siseneg Noen]

QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jul 30 2003, 01:35 AM)

Now if you are going to Live with it ... EVEN though you CAN Go Live with a tsop flash and a switch ....i would not suggest it ... there are ways (in theory) that live could check to see if the tsop has been reflashed ( IN THEORY)

well saying, that, IN THEORY M$ could discover any mod that you do to your xbox, not just TSOP flashing.  Anything running a mod BIOS, or anything that adds files to your hdd that aren't supposed to be there, are reasons why any mod you do can't be 100% Live safe.

That's not to say that you can't do a lot of mods and such right now and get away with it on Live...and maybe many things they won't ever check for, like modstuff files on your hdd.  but in theory, they could, and that's why no mod you do is foolproof for xbl.

unless you were to put a hdd switch that went between retail unchanged hdd for xbl, and a mod hdd with Phoenix that was used for only mod stuff...suppose you could get away with something like that and be pretty xbl proof...but a hdd switch is a pretty rare mod for most boxers...

[Noilegnave Siseneg Noen]

QUOTE (MikeHolliday @ Jul 30 2003, 01:20 AM)

I dont get it, how is it so easy? all the tutorials require linux, a memory card, action replay, 007, or other shenanegins, what are you people talking about?

I don't have linux, and I did it...do have a memcard tho.  no action replay, memcard's good.  have 007.  got a few shenanegins lying about...

like I said in an earlier post, it's largely a function of what you have at your disposal how easy or hard this is.  I had mostly everything I needed to do this lying around to begin with, so for me, yeah, it was pretty easy.  Easier than installing a solder chip, definitely, maybe harder than installing a pogo chip or doing a software exploit.  but you know what they say about the reliability of pogo mods, and software exploits are very problem-ridden this early in their development...

[phigmeta]

Well actually there are methods that you can use to for the most part keep your box Live safe ....  but  you do make a solid point ....


But I still think that you may be better served by a mod chip if you are a XBL user .... and yes a hard drive switch would be a good example .... now if you had to implement said Harddrive switch .... but did not have a modchip ...... you would kinda be up a creek now wouldn't you ?

I mean its a lot easier to make an xbox appear 100% original that way yes ?


but then again we could go back and forth on this all day ....

Truth be told I don't use Live .... and probibly never will ......

and I prefer a TSOP solution myself (It just somehow seems cleaner to me than a modchip

[hawgman]

QUOTE (black knight @ Jul 28 2003, 07:14 PM)

Probably a dumb ass question for most of you, but I am a newbie, and need an answer.  I have searched all around this topic of TSOP flashing, and it seems to me the only way you can do it is with 007 auf, a memory card, and another xbox.  Is it just me, or isn't it just easier to buy a modchip.  I have neither 007, memory card, or a spare xbox.  So answer me this...is there a way to flash the TSOP without any of the above mentioned items and I just missed it somewhere, or do I need all said items?  I can get a cheapmod chip for $8-15, so even renting the game, borrowing an xbox, and buying a memory card are out of the question if this is true.

all you have to have is a LAN, soldering iron solder and rent the AUF. you can download the rest. the memory card is not necessary its just easier with it.  follow the tut by psyco and use the xlinux ISO. its pretty straightfoward. for me tsop was easier since I had lan soldering iron etc. only cost to me was $3 rental fee for auf.

[Noilegnave Siseneg Noen]

QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jul 30 2003, 07:50 AM)

But I still think that you may be better served by a mod chip if you are a XBL user .... and yes a hard drive switch would be a good example .... now if you had to implement said Harddrive switch .... but did not have a modchip ...... you would kinda be up a creek now wouldn't you ? I mean its a lot easier to make an xbox appear 100% original that way yes ? but then again we could go back and forth on this all day .... Truth be told I don't use Live .... and probibly never will ...... and I prefer a TSOP solution myself (It just somehow seems cleaner to me than a modchip

yeah, with said hdd switch i mentioned in the previous post using the phoenix exploits on the non-xbl drive, not the TSOP flash, that way maintaining hardware integrity in the xbox.  but yeah, I agree, a modchip would be a slightly better mod for xbl over TSOP in this given example, as you can make hardware mod evidence disappear easier.

however, I don't think in a normal circumstance, without hdd switches, there's much difference for trying xbl with either a modchip or TSOP flash, as long as you switch to your retail BIOS first.  if you turn off your TSOP mod or chip mod (...mod...chip?), I find it difficult to swallow that M$ would target you more than people trying to play backups or cheats or mod bioses on xbl...i think their main mission is to prevent that, not go fuck with everybody who's ever opened their boxes but still play legit games with legit BIOSES on live.  Still, you never know...never a 100% guarantee they wouldn't fuck with you.

yes, I also don't play xbl, and probably won't at my own house.

and lastly, I definitely agree with you on the last point.  The TSOP flash seems somehow cleaner and more stylish than a modchip.  Both have pros/cons, but my personal taste as well favors the TSOP flash.

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[phigmeta]

you can kinda turn off the tsop flash thing ..... but you have a very solid point ....  modchip off .... its for the most part orignal .....


like Noen said..... i thing it comes down to personal choice....

[DaOne]

QUOTE (warbeast @ Jul 30 2003, 12:46 AM)

i'll tell u why you should buy a mod chip because if u fuck up all of your tsop 100% you cant fix it the only way would be to take the chip off the m/b and program it not even the matrix tsops bios can fix a 100% bad flash beacause u need atleast 1x256k of the orginal bios left on the tsops and to call  people with mod chips  lazy is so fucking stupid its alot harder to fit a xecuter2pro then it is to flash your tsops but if you want to take the lazy way and flash your tsops and risk fucking it up its up to you

Its amazing just how many people post incorrect information on this form its no wonder that so many are in the dark on this subject. You don't need to remove the tsop off the board to fix a bad flash. All that is required is to disable it and boot from a parallel interfaced bios. Next disable the bios rom you booted from and enable the onboard rom. Reflash and your done. I tend to agree that mod chips are a waste of money. I have been flashing the onboard bios since the first homebrew came out and not once have I had a unrecoverable problem. I do want to clear up some confusion. The only Xboxes that may "require" some sort of flash rom upgrade would be the new 1.3 Xboxes. This is only due to the limited capacity of the actual chip. All other Xboxes have the same features ass any other mod chip. I think its so funny how many people are so worried about a bad flash killing their Xbox. The truth is that you can setup the flash rom to have 4 separate banks just like a X2 pro so that you have multiple recovery options. You can also boot the xbox from a valid bank and then switch to the corrupted bank and try to reflash it. As far as live goes, at this time the onboard bios is the most undetectable because the chip itself has the correct vender ID as a unmodded Xbox due to the fact that it uses the original chip. If the bank switching is setup correctly it will still appear that it is original to live because it will copy the bank 4 times to look just like it did originally. All lpc mods can easily be detected by a simple scan of the LPC buss even when they are disabled. Also with a flashed tsop you won't have the problems of a wire coming loose or pogo pins that are not making a secure connection.

[warbeast]

[warbeast]

sorry to go on but one more point ill like to make to daone is

so you have split your tsops useing a switch to  vcc-a18-earth
so ms will only see 1 half of your tsops "512k" thats all good but what do you think ms would do if they scaned your tsops and only saw 512k of it they will know a. you have moded it and b. you are hideing the other half!

and as for a a simple scan of the LPC buss i can take out my xecuter2 very easy as i use pin header install! i have a hdd switch so if i remove my mod switch to 8g hdd ms wont know shit!

[smokeingit]

im sure you mean VCC-A19 or you can do pin 32-a19 to force it to only see first half.
let me clear up some of your miss guided information... let me fix that now for you

1.so ms will only see 1 half of your tsops "512k" thats all good but what do you think ms would do if they scaned your tsops and only saw 512k of it they will know a. you have moded it and b. you are hideing the other half!
Answer: so what? you can be booting up linux the LEGAL kernal and they cant do a thing... say they do scan (which they wont because it goes into privacy and they dont like lawsuits) and see your only using bank 1 and 2.... in theroy you can be using the rest for linux which is a total legal bios, you might want to read up on that.

2.and as for a a simple scan of the LPC buss i can take out my xecuter2 very easy as i use pin header install! i have a hdd switch so if i remove my mod switch to 8g hdd ms wont know shit!
again we go with the part that i like to say (lawsuit) if i am legaly going on there live software they really cant get me for anything. so they can scan all they want... until i screw up and leave the hack on.... they really dont have anything on me. or should i say us.

[warbeast]

i think what you mean is ms cant take you to court for useing a linux only bios thats right!  but as far as live if you agree not to mod you xbox ms can ban you that has fuck all to do with the law!

as far as privacy ms are already checking are xboxs thats why we cant go on live with backups

[adam71o]

[warbeast]

yes, you can use (font hack) or (audio_signed_phoenix_bios_loader) its not on xbins any more but i have a tutorial on dashboard exploits to show how to hex edit the st.db file.  if you dont have a mod chip to ftp the files over use hdd hot swap.  once its on the hdd it will load x2_4977bfm when you try to copy a audio cd
so you can just keep it like this or if you still want to flash your tsops use evox. note if you flash a 1.3 your only be able to fit a 256k bios on it!

[Noilegnave Siseneg Noen]

QUOTE (adam71o @ Aug 12 2003, 10:44 AM)

and what I have read is that I shouldn't try to flash my TSOP (btw, WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR?) with a 1.3 .

TSOP = Thin Small Outline Package.
It refers to the physical chip on the mobo.

And you could flash your 1.3 TSOP, but I wouldn't recommend it.  You only have a 256K TSOP, which would mean you could flash that, but then only have one BIOS.  And a bad flash would be a bitch to recover from.  Yeah, if you have a 1.2 or 1.3, I'd say it's definitely better to go with a modchip.  But with 1.0 or 1.1, put in a switch and connect those jumpers and flash half your 1024K TSOP!  Easier than any modchip installation I've ever done (excluding Matrix of course, which still won't stay in it's godforsaken proper alignment).