Topic: Fakes Or Clones (Read 118 times)

Elf_Sniper · « **on:** February 09, 2005, 02:23:00 PM »

can you be more specific? Front page of what?

acemilo · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2005, 03:52:00 PM »

They are fakes as in someone reverse engineered them and reproduced them, and are selling them to shops as original xeniums. IE you go on a site wanting to buy a xenium, you think its original and install it. It may work for a while, but once you try to update the os or reflash the bios, or even after just a little while the chip will die on you.

Artifex · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2005, 04:14:00 PM »

The term "reverse engineering" doesnt really apply very well in this case. No actual reverse engineering was done. Reverse engineering requires quite a substantial amount of intellegence, specilized knowledge, and work, three things that these people did NOT apply. They simply duplicated (read "stole") the design from original chips, and began producing copies with lower quality componentry and manufacturing. From my experience, 75% of these knockoff chips don't have the stability to last even a month on their own, without ACT killing them. Needless to say, the 25% that would make it that long get killed by ACT anyways.

Reverse engineering is a noble and skillfull art, whereby one analyzes an existing product in order to create a new, beter product. (Such as the reverse engineering of the Xbox architechture in order to produce (forward engineer) a 4th generation modchip with a full OS.) The clowns who produce these chips are nothing more then theives, who dont have enough talent to forward engineer a design of their own, let alone reverse engineer anything.

--Artifex

bishop05 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2005, 04:23:00 PM »

This would sound like a dumb question what exactly is ACT?

thebroken · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2005, 06:15:00 PM »

QUOTE(bishop05 @ Feb 9 2005, 04:29 PM)

This would sound like a dumb question what exactly is ACT?

tiger · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2005, 01:45:00 AM »

Buying a clone is just asking for trouble.

If you where sold a fake/clone, the best thing to do is send it back ASAP

bishop05 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2005, 08:23:00 AM »

QUOTE(thebroken @ Feb 9 2005, 08:21 PM)

ACT= Anti Clon Technology

Artifex · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(bishop05 @ Feb 10 2005, 03:29 PM)

I know that, but is it just an acronym or does ACT really makes the chip self Destruct?

Artifex · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2005, 12:03:00 PM »

QUOTE(spyvy @ Feb 10 2005, 05:00 PM)

dont think that an oem chip is fine i had 2 ice chips fry and they were the real thing / So dont be fooled by the real thing they die also. Im awaiting for # 3 to die after 3 r 4 weeks the just crap out .

Elf_Sniper · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2005, 06:46:00 PM »

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Original Xodus chips are rock solid, and have the lowest return rate, overall, of any chip currently on the market.... by a vast margin.

That does make me feel better

But how long are your warranties? Is it Lifetime? That'd be sweet.

Wong Hung Lo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2005, 10:33:00 AM »

QUOTE(Artifex @ Feb 10 2005, 02:08 PM)

It really does make the chip self destruct. That's kind of the point.

--Artifex

QUOTE(TeamXodus)

ACT 2 is active against all non genuine product and is now being triggered at random. It is our right to protect our OS and our customers who have purchased original product and we will exercise that right at will.

Now that sounds right up there with the MPAA, RIAA & Micro$oft. The MPAA & RIAA
want to destroy P2P users computers. Micro$oft has its live bans because it doesn't want you to have a modchip or linux installed on their product.

Think about it a minute. I don't condone the makers of the knockoff chips. But aren't they (TeamXodus) starting to sound and act like "the man"?

I remember when Metalica was into bootlegs and hated "the man". Then one day they became "the man".

Elf_Sniper · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:04:00 AM »

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Now that sounds right up there with the MPAA, RIAA & Micro$oft. The MPAA & RIAA
want to destroy P2P users computers. Micro$oft has its live bans because it doesn't want you to have a modchip or linux installed on their product.

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So what off it does? THe difference is TeamXodus doesn't make nearly as much money as MS. Do you let people steal money from you? If so, where do you live? I need some right about now.

They do this so people don't steal from them. It's like an alarm system. Every time someone gets an alarm system, do you bag on them talking about how they are like MS and the RIAA too?

"You can't ban me from your house for stealing. You think you're the big man aren't you!"

LOL.

bikehorn · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:21:00 AM »

QUOTE(Elf_Sniper @ Feb 11 2005, 06:10 PM)

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Wong Hung Lo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:57:00 PM »

QUOTE(Elf_Sniper @ Feb 11 2005, 01:10 PM)

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Elf_Sniper · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2005, 02:32:00 PM »

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I think that you are missing the point. Also I think that the people who made the knockoff chips are the ones that stole from TeamXodus. Not the poor SOBs that bought one. Maybe they should go after the people that made and sold the knockoffs instead.

That's why TeamXodus says (right on their front page) that they will help somebody get their money back from a fake modchip seller that sold them a clone. That way, they can use that money to get a REAL Xenium.

They don't have a real way to go head on against these fakers, because the sites only supply them, it is generally unknown who actually produces these clones, so ACT is their only defense, and with ACT, little to no fakes/clones will be sold, putting them out of business. So the only way to hit these fakers "head on" is well, to not hit them head on and be subtle, which is exactly what TeamXodus is doing

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