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[el_diablo]

QUOTE (Kev052683 @ Dec 16 2004, 04:58 AM)

And FlashBIOS isn't distributed legally? I guess being on the chip when it ships means it's illegal?

you can download it from their site. if it was illegal it wouldnt be there...

ivank you double posted  
and i agree doesnt matter how legal your chip and software is, its useless without a bios

[heinrich]

http://dictionary.re...orical question

[mrjkwik]

hello, its called hype.  as i said, they all do it.

dont think any other chip maker hasnt made disparaging comments about other chip makers?  then obviously you dont read all press releases.  every chip maker claims to be better than the next guy.  its called business.  its called advertising.  and its called being proud of your own product.

the whole question of mod chipping your xbox in general, no matter what you use, is a "gray area".  the only thing that makes it a sure thing that your illegal is having pirated material or programs/utilities/ect built with ms code.

i'm not slamming the x3, i'm not slamming the smartxx chip either.  as far as i'm concerned, for 75% of the scene 95% of the time all the chip does is let us ftp and play backups, or xbmc for those fans.  all the os differences (if the chip has one) or utilities, pretty lights, buttons, blah blah whatever features, go unused and needed.  its all just to lure in more people.  

so, unless you have a chip, that has a legal os, you install a legal bios, and have no pirated material (i include backups cuz thats in that gray area), and any apps built with ms code, its all bs.  barely any person on this scene has a completely legal modded box.

[IvanK]

 I wanted to edit one of them down to nothing, but for some reason I don't get the edit button like I should.

Anyway, hype and advertising is all good as long as at the end of the day it's not overtly dishonest.  Giving your consumers your perspective is different from lying to them about the benefits of your product over your competitors.  Burger King can say they have more beef in their Whopper versus the Big Mac because it's true.  Burger King can say Big Macs may make you fat if you eat too many, which is also true.  They can omit the fact that Whoppers will make you fat.  What they *can't* do is say that *only* Big Macs will make you fat or that somehow Whoppers cure cancer.

(And yes, I worked for McD for 3 years in High School back in the day, so I know the relative meat quantities.)

What's not true is to say that the Xenium OS is all users will ever need to run *all* of their software needs.  Users will *still* need a bios (unless we're operating under the assumption that all users will be running Linux) so the blurb wasn't particularly forthright.  If we're going to compare base functionality, we might as well compare XeniumOS versus FlashBios 3.0.3.  Sure, Xenium has a LOT more features than flashbios, but at the end of the day both will be used to load illegal bioses to be able to run unsigned XDK compiled code.  Since I think both can flash over a network, and both can flash off of the hard drive or burnt media, that piece is pretty much even in my book.

Now, if we were going to focus our advertising *hint* *hint* on legitimate features that stand alone in the field, why not boast about the hard drive copying functionality?  Upgrade your hard drive in a breeze without losing any of your important game saves?

This post has not been reviewed by the FDA and is not intended to treat or cure any known disease.

(For some reason I can edit this @#$! post, but not the ones above...)

[nagmine]

yeah these comments are pretty lame... why not give us more reasons to like our chip instead of trying to make fools of the other chips.... maybe a os update would be nice... there still is some issues and stuff that hasnt been completed. Also what ever happened to these programs they said the os could launch. I remeber them saying something about an emulator a few times... and i have yet to see anything on it since. soo we can legaly ftp into our xbox? thats it lol.

[CrayZEE]

Although Xodus has problems with PR, and believe me, there is a lot of space of
improovement, if you remove the self-back-patting, their points are actually true...

I mean, i can install a Xenium very quickly using an USB stick and network, it's
such an ease, i have it done within 1minute, OS -> bios flash -> automatic eeprom
backup -> copy dash to C

This is all done within 1-2 minutes, i don't see other modchips comfort me to this
extent of ease of installation, i dont waste a single CD-R / DVD-R, it just works,
right off the bat.

That's something no other chip does, and believe me, when you mod xbox's for
other people , this chip is truly the way to go. Other chips dont come with these
features..

And for the newbies, it has all it needs, plus i know Xodus being quiet for a while
just makes something come out we all like sooner or later, whatever it is.

The company so far only dissapointed me once, when i look up other companies
who made up stuff, or lied to make their product look better, i think Xodus is the
far lesser evil in this scene. And i know the coders of XOS put hell of a time into
the OS, so cut them some slack, they did their job good so far, and i want to see
them keep on this track and improoving.

So far no other mod that calls itself 4th Generation satisfied my needs as much
as a Xenium. Let's see what they will do next, and let their doings talk for them...

[peerx]

Do they allow those big ass "STFU" images on here?...no?...okay then let me post this...

[peerx]

QUOTE (CrayZEE @ Dec 16 2004, 11:01 AM)

Although Xodus has problems with PR, and believe me, there is a lot of space of improovement, if you remove the self-back-patting, their points are actually true... I mean, i can install a Xenium very quickly using an USB stick and network, it's such an ease, i have it done within 1minute, OS -> bios flash -> automatic eeprom backup -> copy dash to C This is all done within 1-2 minutes, i don't see other modchips comfort me to this extent of ease of installation, i dont waste a single CD-R / DVD-R, it just works, right off the bat. That's something no other chip does, and believe me, when you mod xbox's for other people , this chip is truly the way to go. Other chips dont come with these features.. And for the newbies, it has all it needs, plus i know Xodus being quiet for a while just makes something come out we all like sooner or later, whatever it is. The company so far only dissapointed me once, when i look up other companies who made up stuff, or lied to make their product look better, i think Xodus is the far lesser evil in this scene. And i know the coders of XOS put hell of a time into the OS, so cut them some slack, they did their job good so far, and i want to see them keep on this track and improoving. So far no other mod that calls itself 4th Generation satisfied my needs as much as a Xenium. Let's see what they will do next, and let their doings talk for them...

Dude -- Xecuter3's cromwell bios has Network Flash (all legal) -- and I don't waste a single CD-R doing that now, it's simple.  Why say no other chip has that when they do? SmartXX / Xodus / Xecuter all have those features. Shush (k thx).

[Harsesis]

Enough with the talk. Look after your existing customers, update your OS! Give us cool stuff to use.

Seems like your too busy promoting your product instead of concentrating on your user base.

[CrayZEE]

i agree with you harsesis, they shouldnt only promote the existing stuff, but thats
PR for x-mas, so i let it go

But yaw, a new OS with some bugfixes, and the maybe new feats, wooohooo

[Artifex]

QUOTE (peerx @ Dec 16 2004, 11:57 AM)

Hrmmm...oh wait, XODUS doesn't even ATTEMPT at an illegal bios. Why not? Well?...

Uhm... because it's illegal?

Personally, I'd like to stay out of jail, and away from hefty fines... thx.

Aside from that, it's also immoral.... as an embedded systems developer, I'm well aware of the MASSIVE efforts, headaches, and WORK involved in writing a firmware, and I respect what the developers at MS have done with their OS too much to just steal it from them.

Aside from that, it's also downright lazy.  I'm not one for taking the easy way out.... I have more pride then that.

Anyways... you're right... the silly flame posting back and forth is rather pointless, and is, in fact, against the rules of the forum.  Keep it clean, now, or this thread will be closed.

--Artifex

[Artifex]

QUOTE (Harsesis @ Dec 16 2004, 12:36 PM)

Enough with the talk. Look after your existing customers, update your OS! Give us cool stuff to use. Seems like your too busy promoting your product instead of concentrating on your user base.

Ask and ye shall receive.....

--Artifex

[peerx]

Uh, buy a memory stick, or action replay, hook it up to your xbox, and flash it from there? Xodus isn't the only one with "USB FLASH" rofl. There are a lot of methods of flashing a bios -- Action Replay was out way before Xodus existed, btw.

[mdfirefighter]

I have two words for you people. Tunnel Vision, you can't get past a couple of things that they have said. Which they really didn't say anyway. For example

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Xenium has a proprietary dedicated OS and is therefore not subject to illegal and extremely cumbersome and time consuming downloads, flashes and cd burning, which are required to make the chip work in the first place

True!

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With a dedicated OS, Xenium installs in seconds and works immediately, unlike others that scam the public into believing they are buying a fully functional and working unit straight out the box.

True!

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OTHERS:(Just to get started) Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK

Very true!

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XENIUM: Install, it works. Done.

Also True!

So lets do a short recap for those who either skimmed or just didn't read at all and just came here to flame. Now, bare with me, the real fact is there are no untrue statements in this article. Imagine that! Some of us do have to worry about the Law, don't worry it will catch up to you sooner or later when you start driving or paying taxes. They are ALL LEGAL. Imagine that again! They support legal and moral decisions. If you want to use illegal stuff, go right ahead, I'll point at you when they come looking. As for this team, they take pride in actually offering another, viable, solution that they have designed. And I know what you are going to say, I can flash my X3 with cromwell and yes, you can. But xenium was designed to be legal, they have been doing it the legal way from the begining. Thats why they haven't put an illegal "hacked" "moddified" bios out there.

*sigh* I'm going to step down from my soapbox now and wait for the people that haven't read what I said to reply. Or maybe I will go over to the xecuter forum and get cussed at. Ehhh....

MDFF

[yazoo32]

QUOTE (CrayZEE @ Dec 16 2004, 02:53 PM)

Peerx, i really think after your USB Stick comments, that you shoudl be quiet.... You talk about softmodding there when i was talking about a modchip's feature.. right on.... Shows how much you know the Xenium to talk about it.....

you don't need to burn a CD/CDRW DVD or any disc to flash the Xecuter, nor do you need a USB drive.

Its as simple as drag and drop takes seconds.

and you can flash a X3 with a USB drive.


Just so I am clear on this, what does a Xenium actually do? I've heard how easy it is over other chips etc but what does it actually do that is legal?