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[Artifex]

QUOTE (Master-Chief @ Dec 16 2004, 09:24 PM)

Whoa! This thread has pretty much turned into a flame war. You guys need to chill down. You are arguing over a mod-chip!

Agreed.  This is warning #2.  We're leaving the thread open for now, but if it continues to degrade into unproductive name-calling, it will be closed.

--Artifex

[Artifex]

QUOTE (X-ecuter @ Dec 16 2004, 06:56 PM)

A. What issues ? Below average product ? You really talk rubbish. B. Last to release the FIRST full hardware/bios controlled mod - not just hardware controlled. Think before posting C) This is a moronic statement. Have you not read what this entire thread is about. Its not about Xecuter bashing anyone or making lame comments which are completely misleading. You know what these mods are used for. The X3 Bios blows any other bios away. We are hackers - I couldnt care less about legalities. The mod works out of the box in order for you to get funky with your Xbox - we dont really cater to the 0.1% Linux market - however they can install Linux too if they wish. We concentrate on giving you the most pimped out mod and bios available - along with high quality accessories and addons - like we have always done way way before any of the other competition was even involved. If there was no hacked bios available for a new version - lets see who most of the scene (inc most of the bashers in this thread) would be looking to - thats right Xecuter and Evox. Enough of these childish flame wars. Just play with your Xbox - I couldnt give a fuck about arguing like kids over who's BMX is better

A.  An interesting coincidence..... Just before I came here to check up on forums, I was having a conversation with a couple of resellers about RMAs, and how xecuter has the highest number of RMAs despite having the lowest number of sales.  I think that's an interesting coincendence, don't you?  I do.  Hehe.

B. You meant "software controller" right?  Hardware controlled was second/third gen.... with all those silly dipswitches and unreliable cables to breakout boards.... I still remember sitting there spending hours trying to meter out that fcc cable, find the short....  Software control is the whole point of 4th gen, and allows for all of those silly hardware problems to be avoided.  (See A)

I also remember in the EARLY days when the chips came with bioses on them.... bioses tied to chips.... ahh, those were the good ol.... oh, wait... that's right, people got arrested.  Turns out redistributing MS's code is illegal.  Hah, who would've thought.  Oh, wait, we're doing that again now?  oh... cool!

"Last to release the... erm, I mean First to... the full... latest..... wait, hardware?  software?  yah... hardware.... Last to release the first full hardware controlled mod!  That's it! yah!  Oh, what?  software?  oh, crap.....  Uhm..... hack up our bios some more and call it an OS, yah, they'll buy that."

C. You're compleatly right... this started as an anti-xodus thread, not an xeucter fanboys versus xodus fanboys thread!  People can't even stay on topic....  Wait, you didn't stay on topic with C here.... crap, now I'm confused.  C was supposed to be about how this isnt xecuter vs xodus.... and then you turned it into xecuter vs xodus...... tricky tricky....

You're compleatly right.  People use hacked bioses.  Those people are breaking the law.  (WOW, SHOCKER!)  The people who produce those hacked bioses are breaking the law.  The people who sell products tied specifically to those hacked bioses are breaking the law.  I don't care about legalities either.... beyond keeping myself out of jail and away from fines, purely for the inconvenience of it.    However, I do like to think that there's some moral fiber, respect, and decency left in humanity.

We're a clean, fair, moral, and legal business selling a clean, fair, moral, and legal product.  We sleep well at night knowing that, and frankly that's all that matters to me.

--Artifex

[Artifex]

I'd like to add one other little thing to my last statement, to clarify...

There's a very clear, well litigated line distinguishing legal and illegal, moral and immoral, here.

The Xecuter approach: tie an illegal bios to the chip.  This forces the user to break the law with their product, and is thus an illegal act on the part of xecuter.

The Xodus approach: make no decisions on behalf of the customer.  If the customer decides to break the law, it's their own choice.

--Artifex

[Token User]

QUOTE (Artifex @ Dec 16 2004, 04:57 PM)

I'd like to add one other little thing to my last statement, to clarify... There's a very clear, well litigated line distinguishing legal and illegal, moral and immoral, here. The Xecuter approach: tie an illegal bios to the chip.  This forces the user to break the law with their product, and is thus an illegal act on the part of xecuter. The Xodus approach: make no decisions on behalf of the customer.  If the customer decides to break the law, it's their own choice. --Artifex

Yep - thank <insert diety here> for Team Xodus.

They don't give you a gun, they give you a gun loaded with blanks.
If you REALLY want to kill people, you'll need to take out the blanks and load it up with real bullets. They imply you dont really need real bullets.

Xecuter just give you the gun and <knudge, knudge, wink, wink> imply you should get your bullets from the usual places.

[Disclaimer? I purchased and installed an X3. Basically it came down to X3 vs Xenium ... and I went with the fourm that seemed more knowledgable, and the hype that seemed less full of BS ... YVMV (and given the flame wars, probably will)]

[Artifex]

QUOTE (Token User @ Dec 16 2004, 11:47 PM)

Yep - thank <insert diety here> for Team Xodus. They don't give you a gun, they give you a gun loaded with blanks. If you REALLY want to kill people, you'll need to take out the blanks and load it up with real bullets. They imply you dont really need real bullets. Xecuter just give you the gun and <knudge, knudge, wink, wink> imply you should get your bullets from the usual places. [Disclaimer? I purchased and installed an X3. Basically it came down to X3 vs Xenium ... and I went with the fourm that seemed more knowledgable, and the hype that seemed less full of BS ... YVMV (and given the flame wars, probably will)]

You are confused as to the point.  The problem is not in the implications-of-use made.  The problem is that Xecuter advertises thier product with a featureset which is not useable unless the user breaks the law and obtains their illegal bios.  

Their featureset is much more then what their legal, on-chip firmware offers:

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-Can flash firmware from hdd, cd or network

If that's all they listed for their features, I doubt they'd be selling many chips.  99% of the things they DO list as their features arn't actually in the product that is being sold, but in the illegal bios which is being piggybacked onto that sale.  (which, btw, makes the sale of the product itself illegal.)

Xodus advertises a featureset which the user can use without needing to break the law, and without having to do anything aside from install the chip.

THAT is the heart of the issue, and when you cut away all of the marketing hype and arrogant tone - THAT is what the original post in question here is saying.

--Artifex

[Token User]

QUOTE (Artifex @ Dec 16 2004, 05:58 PM)

You are confused as to the point.  The problem is not in the implications-of-use made.  The problem is that Xecuter advertises thier product with a featureset which is not useable unless the user breaks the law and obtains their illegal bios.

Actually, I agree with you on this.

And if I was after a pure Linux based solution for my Xbox, I'd be right on board with what you said. Xecuter have tied their chip to an illegal BIOS, but in doing so have made no bones about what the intended use of the chip will be.

Xodus sit atop a holier than thou pedestle, and in reality require a modded BIOS to do what a majority of modded box users want.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate how hard this is to achieve. I have written code for PLCs in heavy manufacturing environments - its not easy, but your BIOS is really shooting blanks (so to speak) in terms of final purpose of the chip.

[yazoo32]

I'm hearing so much self righteous BS in this thread.

Answer me this, why do people mod their Xboxes?

We all no the answer to that.  If you can't be honest about it then just STFU.  Its like being in the playground FFS.  Just have a quick read in the teamxodus forums, its full of people wanted to flash the bios so they can play their backup games.  This is the main point of making the damn chip.  Doesn't matter how much you dress it up.  I haven't come across anyone yet who says come and look at my Xenium OS.  XBMC yes.

Bottom line is the xenium is no more legal than the xecuter when it comes to what it does.  Get over it.  Your not going to convince anyone but those who have bought one.

I wonder how old the person is, mentally, who wrote that article cause it does teamxodus no favours.  Should have considered the backlash for the obvious attacks.

p.s please someone answer my question what is it the OS actually does that is legal and so great?

[appleguru]

QUOTE (yazoo32 @ Dec 16 2004, 06:30 PM)

p.s please someone answer my question what is it the OS actually does that is legal and so great?

Did you see my post here?

[Billy-X]

u can sleep at night without worry going to jail hehehe  

[sush1a]

gawd.. what a load of crap that write up is..  I think they are trying to point to the newbs more directly.. but it doesn't seem like they are.. so wtf are they doing?

[Kev052683]

QUOTE (Billy-X @ Dec 17 2004, 02:29 AM)

just want to say... LEGAL is GOOD u can sleep at night without worry going to jail hehehe

Off topic, but I find your post humorous looking at your signature -

X2 Bios, Blackstorm X, Unleash X

Are you the one sleeping well at night?

[vindiesel]

[imthewa1rus]

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2. Bash the competition's product with paid cronies and more BS

this makes me laugh, you sound way more like a paid cronie than any of the people supporting xecuter.  just my opinion tho.  but you did make me laugh!  

[freakk123]

QUOTE (imthewa1rus @ Dec 16 2004, 10:33 PM)

this makes me laugh, you sound way more like a paid cronie than any of the people supporting xecuter.  just my opinion tho.  but you did make me laugh!

My thoughts exactly!  

[dwpoyner]

Well, I'd say this horse has been neat to death.  I think it's time to close this thread.  Obviously none of us are going to change everyone's mind on anything being discussed here.  Shut it down...