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[HoRnEyDvL]

Actualy come to think of it now all the people complaining about the spi port & lcd screen  well u dont need 2 complain no more since u be able 2 write your own dll 2 make use of it. See win win situation for all.

[ncaissie]

Thanks guys

I have been trying to get that through these peoples heads, but I guess I'm just not as good with words. lol

[asnagrim]

I think it could be that ozxodus post the Xos2 features just because they are so excited about the possibilites that they have created.
It may seem like a risk for ozxodus to completely drop the cromwell development environment, but consider how long it took to even get usb support into cromwell.

Not to mention that just the ability to create and run legally distributable xbox apps without the need to also run linux is a huge development.
When someone asks where to find the latest xbmc, you tell them,  "http://www.xboxmediacenter.com". Its much easier to find than "the usual places", which means that more people will find it and install it.
It means developers can advertise their legal applications if they wish.
I would be very surprised if every dev team didnt get a xenium as soon as xos2 is released.

If that wasnt enough, how about smb and pendrive support?  How about being able to browse your xbox hard drive from the pc. How about never needing to make another bios dvd or dashboard/apps iso because you can just transfer them straight over to the xbox?!
It is going to take quite alot of work for the other mod teams to come up with something that equals the xos2 in my opinon.

I dont think the xenium is just a new generation chip, its a whole new era!

[OpusDei]

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How about being able to browse your xbox hard drive from the pc. How about never needing to make another bios dvd or dashboard/apps iso because you can just transfer them straight over to the xbox?!

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How about never needing to make another bios dvd or dashboard/apps iso because you can just transfer them straight over to the xbox?!

you can do this with X3 of course - didnt you read the feature list (in fact you could do this with the old x2 4978 bios - actually you can do this with any mod and any bios - its called evox or avalaunch or any dash that has an ftp server)

the over reaction in this thread is simply unbievable

how some of you try to belittle xecuters contribution to the scene over the last 2 years is laughable - and evox's contributions have been forgotten all of a sudden (ftp server) - you all talk about legal distro - oh PLEASE give me a break. We are here to hack the Xbox plain and simple. legal distro is for the modchip makers - that covers 99% of the scene's wants and needs when it comes to legal distro of the hardware - you all (well most of you) end up getting hold of an illegal bios so all this talk of legal legal legal really is funny stuff  

regardless of how much you all jerk off over this - what bios will you use after booting XOS2 - yep Xecuter or Evox.

How many legal linux apps and openxdk apps do you all use right now compared to hacked apps built with XDK - and Linux has been around for 2 years.

this is little more than the usual spew of Xodus marketing drivel. lets see where the scene is in 6 months before people start saying the scene is going to change forever. What a joke. Ill tell you when the scene changed forever - with the Enigamh modchip and with the Evox Dashboard - beyond XBMC we do little more now than we did then - apart from enjoying toying around with funky bios features and hardware mods to the xbox itself (not modchips)

some ppl can be just way to anal about this shit  

[Elf1]

OK I have to say that this is a while in the making. But imagine what this means here. No longer will we be tied to XDK for our apps tools and so on. No longer will there be piles of bad bios cds in the trash cause you can flash the chip from a bios image on your computer or even put it on a usb flash memory stick.
Major Kudos to Cromwell but this is the wave of the future and the possibilities of this OS are staggering. I hear alot about X3 and to be honest I used xecuter chips for installs for a long time but never have I seen anything this inovative.
To compare this new OS to anything we have now is just nuts no disrespect meant to X3 but the features of X3 would have been more inovative in the 3rd generation of chips. It is aparent now why the XOS2 has taken so much longer but it was only first mentioned a couple months ago it is not like we had been waiting for a half a year for it.
I am happy to finally have something new in the scene worth getting excited and posting about.
Hats off to team OzXodus for what is sure to set the bar to a new height.

[athirne]

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you can do this with X3 of course - didnt you read the feature list (in fact you could do this with the old x2 4978 bios - actually you can do this with any mod and any bios - its called evox or avalaunch or any dash that has an ftp server)

no you cant and he is talking about first install. Normaly you have to make a install CD that has a BIOS, any updates to any would be modchip OS, and the a dashboard that has an FTP.
Then you apply any updates, then the BIOS, then you load the dashboard with the FTP from the CD. Now you can FTP stuff.
However all one needs to do now is have an xbox hooked up to a network with a computer on it. transfer stuff over (FTP, HTTP, SMB, Telnet, ect). Then you can have at it.
This is what 4th gen is suposed to be about. Ease of management, ease of updates, consolidation of utilities, and ease of use. All of the teams are going towards this. Despite what you say this IS a big thing for the community.
Anyone remember the "good old days" when you had to run two or three utilities to swap the hard drive? Then it went from those down to embeded in a dashboard. Now it is finaly in the modchip, done in two or three "clicks", and everything transfers too!

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how some of you try to belittle xecuters contribution to the scene over the last 2 years is laughable - and evox's contributions have been forgotten all of a sudden (ftp server)

We are not belitteling xecutor or EvoX. We are just talking about inovation BEYOND what they did. They made the wheel, others and improving upon it.
Infact that is why I am sure Xecutor is delaying X3 because of a custom OS for their modchip. They are just to experenced with hardware and programing to have it a problem with anything petty like a problem with the Linux code or the hardware design itself.
As for EvoX yes they did wonderful things for the scene. But they arent realy doing anything interesting beyond their Trainers. Its a simple design and functional, but now there are dashboards that are even simpler and even more functional.

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you all talk about legal distro - oh PLEASE give me a break. We are here to hack the Xbox plain and simple. legal distro is for the modchip makers - that covers 99% of the scene's wants and needs when it comes to legal distro of the hardware - you all (well most of you) end up getting hold of an illegal bios so all this talk of legal legal legal really is funny stuff

Currently the only thing you can do that is legal is run Linux or Linux code on the xbox. The more things we can do that are legal legitimises the modification of hardware and the more legal defence you can make.
If someone gets sued for selling or developing modchips or software for them its one more legal defence. You may not think of it as important, but it is the next step for legitimizing the scene.

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regardless of how much you all jerk off over this - what bios will you use after booting XOS2 - yep Xecuter or Evox.

When did someone (besides a newb that doesnt understand what we are talking about) claim otherwise?  the X2 bios series is some fine (illegal) work. The only complaint is now it is encrypted so you cant do legitimat things with it (like modify paths).

I sugest you read some posts in here to understand what is is interesting about what is happening in the 4th gen circles. 4th gen is not about hardware it is 90% the software on the chip. You can use any chip to have a BIOS and switch between them. Its the 4th gen that lets you have unpresedented control combined with ease of use.

[OpusDei]

anyway - have a beer on me  

[kevhonda]

 Im very glad when i jumped in this scene around the first of the year I decided to wait and get an Xenium.  Never before have i seen so many Xecuter fans come to this forum and post, could this be to drag us PROUD Xenium owners down?? Xenium DEV team ive said it before and ill say it again and again (from the looks of it) HATS OFF!!!  Its times like these you just gotta be glad to be part of the family  

[OpusDei]

i speak of not just xecuter but other xbox teams also

I only mention X3 after seeing others post about X3 - which I have no idea why as this was an XOS2 thread?

The only funtion that anyone is giving any salt is this legal app development (which has been possible of course with linux in the past)

However I also notice from your signature your mod runs a hacked bios developed by Evox - nothing to do with Xenium.

So in fact you could have simply owned a cheapmod and had the same setup ?

yep welcome to the "family"  

Dailey

I appreciate what you are saying but for you to compare this XOS2 as innfluential as DOS was is what I would call a bit over the top.

I believe the major flaw here with this being able to "change the scene forever" is making the bios work on any modchip - otherwise its just another M$ monopoly. At least with Evox and Xecuter and other mod / bios makers they were all interchangeable - thats true homebrew and scene support I guess.

Anyway bed time for me

[kevhonda]

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Kevhonda no fanboys here (in fact read what youve just posted - you sound like a fanboy yourself)

I think you need to re-read and re-read my post i didnt bash evox in fact i use evox, i wasnt bashing anything so why even bring up the fact that i have a evox bios in my signature.. You are right i should have just done a cheapmod or a softmod for that matter, but after doing both to friends i think ill stick with my xenium. Do us all a favor and weigh your options out in the xecuter forums. OH yeah i never said i wasnt a fanboy i will admit i do own the best product on the market  

[greengiant]

This thread has gone from a positive and constructive thread regarding the XOS2 to a X3 vs Xodus thread with one group of peopl bashing, and the other repeteing info.

Notes so you ppl get it straight:
-You wont find XBMC redoing their app just so it will run as a legal app on XOS only.

-You can already ftp and access the xbox hd from the pc, either via ftp or via the Windows Shell Addon + any debug bios (you see it like a shared drives)

-You can flash any modchip from the pc, may be using evox and ftp/telnet commands, or the smartxx web flashing technique.

-LCD is handy, gadget. When you promise something in this scene, you beter be ready to provide or else everyone will gang up on you (as shown by this and many other threads)

-Cromwell/Linux has been around for some time, but you dont see it BURSTING as the XOS2 claims it will do. Devs rather develop with the XDK, then with Cromwell/Linux  and if they feel like a challenge XOS2.

-X3 config, is exactly that, the config side of the x3 bios. The key is it integrates right into the xbox as a normal bios.

-Whats the point of having the XOS modify the default dash path in a ms bios to boot a diff xbe, when you can just use a new das (evox, ava, nexgen) and load up whatever xbe you want



"Even though one cannot accuratly weigh the pros and cons until the XOS 2 is released I know for a fact my future projects will be compiled to work with the XOS.

Also your right it's not free, I made that statement from my point of view being a Xenium owner, for those who do not own a xenium they will have to purchase one. "

So you will make your apps (whatever they may be, not sure what you have done alreayd for the scene but whatever) so they work on XOS and xbox directly as an XBE. Good luck, by the 2nd or 3rd app you make thats worthwhile you will disgard the XOS and stick to only XBE.
XBMC would not be made for only xecuter, or smartxx, or xenium (in theory)
because that cuts out to much of the user base, the user base that will benefit from the app.
The only apps you will truly need to dev directly for the XOS would be things that use the xen itself, like the spi port or bank stuff, or possibly ftp/web/telnet sort of stuff.. but tools and apps will not be practical.

What if Sony decided to make their line of DVD Videos only work on Sony DVD Players, well thats pretty stupid as theyr loosing out on a major area of the market. But if they made a DVD that would allow sony dvd playrs to play mp3's then oviously you make it only for the sony dvd player.

[greengiant]

QUOTE (dailey @ May 23 2004, 09:59 PM)

I mean that opens up a question for all of you xecuter 2.x owners, how do you feel about having to buy a new chip to take advantage of the X3 features?

Well how do Chameleon Owners feel having to upgrade to a new chip?
How do Matrix owners feel having to upgrade to a new chip ?

same logic. think next time.

[chimpanzee]

QUOTE (dailey @ May 24 2004, 04:16 AM)

Imagine turning your $150 Xbox into a TiVo, a WebtTV, a Workstation, A media Center and a Game Console all in one without having to do heavy modifications to the apps/dashboards/bioses/insert your problem here.

That is pretty simple. Just a modchip with cromwell which can be turned off, already available. Disabling it, Xbox in its retail form and play those games.
Enabling it, linux is up and all they things you imagine is there(the software, hardware etc.). In fact, since cromwell supports booting from DVD, the specific application(linux distributions) can be burnt to standard CD/DVD and boot and run from there, just like what we do with Xbox games. No need to touch the HD in anyway.  

Xbox is nothing but a PC(x86 machine) with a TV out video card with a very nice packaging and great price. Xenium is just an attempt to create yet another OS for this platform, we have seen many of them. I am sure it will have its supporters but I would advice people to do a bit of research on what the alternative OSs for x86 ends up.

[chimpanzee]

QUOTE (dailey @ May 24 2004, 06:59 AM)

Now with XOS, you can still use OpenXDK or linux to program your applications, you can still do everything that has been built up until now and you can continue to use those ways of doing things, but it easier to just use XOS and now it can be done without the worry of persecution from M$.

Easier in what way ? What would be the compiler used ? How about a source/version control environment. Or may be what IDE to use like MS's Visual.Net(or its linux equivalent) ? How about documentations to let others understanding it ?

How much effort is needed to put all these supporting infrastructure in place for a new OS ?

[greengiant]

QUOTE (chimpanzee @ May 23 2004, 10:46 PM)

That is pretty simple......

Very well said !